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Doop ([info]xdoop) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-27 12:50:00

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Entry tags:char: green goblin/norman osborn, char: mary jane watson, char: may parker, char: spider-man/peter parker, char: spider-woman/mattie franklin, creator: howard mackie, creator: john byrne, creator: john romita jr., creator: luke ross, creator: rafael kayanan, creator: steve skroce, creator: tom defalco, publisher: marvel comics

Aunt May: Rebirth! (not safe for dial-up)

You saw her die; now, witness her glorious resurrection!

In Amazing Spider-Man #418, at the end of the Clone Saga, a pregnant Mary Jane apparently miscarried after being poisoned by a woman named Alison Mongrain. It's written by Tom DeFalco and illustrated by Steve Skroce.





In "The Life of Reilly,"  Glenn Greenberg said that Bob Harras wanted baby May's fate to be left ambiguous, because it "gives hope to the readers who have been waiting for the birth of the baby, it lets them believe that the baby is still out there somewhere, alive, and maybe Peter will find her someday. It'll keep them coming back."  However, Harras "didn't want the baby referred to again once the Clone Saga was over."

Flash-forward to 1998. The Spider-books are ending. Amazing Spider-Man and Peter: Parker Spider-Man will be rebooted with new #1s in 1999, while Spectacular Spider-Man and Sensational Spider-Man are to be canceled. The final storylines were "The Gathering of the Five" and "The Final Chapter."

To make a long story short, this is from Alison Mongrain's profile on Spiderfan.org.
In a subsequent scheme, Osborn took control of the Daily Bugle by threatening J. Jonah Jameson's family. His purpose was to use the Bugle to exonerate the Osborn name after Bugle reporter Ben Urich wrote a book naming Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin. The normally volatile Jameson was reduced to a lapdog by Osborn, and Robbie Robertson took it upon himself to take the Bugle back from Norman.

His investigations led him to Paris and to Alison Mongrain. Though both Mongrain and Osborn kept their ends of their bargain to each other, neither trusted the other. Alison considered using baby May Parker as blackmail against Osborn, and Norman considered Mongrain to be a loose end. To tie that end up, Norman implanted a painful mind control microchip into the back of the neck of Mark Raxton, aka the Molten Man. The chip would only stop causing pain once Alison was dead.

Once Robbie and Alison returned to New York, they were under constant attack from the Molten Man. Raxton was relentless in his chase, following Mongrain even after he fell into the harbor after battling Spider-Man. Mongrain, believing to be safe, wanted to go to the Parker home to tell Peter an urgent message. The ground beneath her suddenly erupted, as the Molten Man emerged from the sewer. A block of concrete hit Alison in the stomach, badly hurting her. Suddenly realizing that the Molten Man was following the necklace that Osborn had given to Mongrain, Robertson threw it away, where Mark destroyed it.

This is from Amazing Spider-Man #441, the last issue of the series before the reboot. It's written by John Byrne and illustrated by Rafael Kayanan.




Meanwhile Norman, Madame Web, Mattie Franklin, Gregory Herd, and a pawn shop owner named Morris Maxwell participate in the Gathering of the Five, a ceremony in which each person receives one of five "gifts": power, madness, knowledge, immortality, or death. Madame Web recieves death, Mattie Franklin receives knowledge, Gregory Herd receives immortality, and Morris Maxwell receives madness.










This is from Peter Parker: Spider-Man #97. It's written by Howard Mackie and illustrated by John Romita, Jr. The cover is by Byrne.





Norman blows up his henchmen and flies off.

Spidey heads to the aforementioned hunting lodge, where he gets attacked.


After finally managing to hold Norman off...




This is from Spectacular Spider-Man #263, the last issue of the series. It's written by Mackie and illustrated by Luke Ross.










Peter heads to the FF Plaza...

Reed tells Peter that she's definetely human, and not a clone or some other artificial lifeform,  but to confirm that she's really May he asks for a sample of her DNA that they know couldn't have been tampered with. Peter finds an old science experiment in his attic that contains a blood smear from Aunt May.




Peter heads to Oscorp and confronts Norman. After battling him, Norman shows him how his DNA bomb works.



As Norman takes him outside, he says he's used his charitable organizations to distribute thousands of the DNA bombs.


Norman beats Peter up some more, telling him that he wants his death to be public and slow. He reveals how he faked Aunt May's death.

Norman unmasks Peter in front of everyone at the Daily Bugle and kills him.

But wait...

This is from Peter Parker: Spider-Man #98, the last issue of the series. It's by Mackie and Romita.

Yes, it turns out that the gifts weren't what they seemed and that Norman actually received madness, and not power (it's later revealed that Madame Web really received immortality, Mattie Franklin really received power, Gregory Herd really received death, and Morris Maxwell really received knowledge).

A stray pumpkin bomb explodes, causing the Daily Bugle to collapse. Peter is able to hold it up long enough for everyone to get away.






The scene cuts to Peter and MJ in the waiting room.




And how does Aunt May deal with being kidnapped and having her death faked? Here are two scenes from Amazing Spider-Man v2 #1 and #2. Both are written by Mackie and illustrated by Byrne.




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[info]mullon
2009-04-27 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Well that was a string of unpleasant ideas. It's sad that that is the norm for this comic now.

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-27 05:11 pm UTC (link)
The funny thing is, for all of Marvel's talk about how important she was and how much she was missed, she didn't *do* anything of importance until JMS came along.

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[info]interrobamf
2009-04-27 05:16 pm UTC (link)
But then who else will get old woman disease and give Peter Parker repetitive angst?

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[info]felinephoenix
2009-04-27 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Aunt Anna?

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[info]midnightvoyager.livejournal.com
2009-04-27 05:20 pm UTC (link)
What the everloving fuck?!

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-27 05:20 pm UTC (link)
...



So, Mayday kicked the g-spot on her way out?

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[info]felinephoenix
2009-04-27 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Good to know I wasn't the only one wondering about that.

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-27 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it sort of begs to be improperly iconned.



(Or, because this is S_D:

)

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[info]felinephoenix
2009-04-27 09:40 pm UTC (link)
As much as I love Pete and MJ, I'm going to have to grab that second one. ♥

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[info]superfan1
2009-04-28 04:10 am UTC (link)
The second one awesome!!

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[info]neuhallidae
2009-04-27 06:19 pm UTC (link)
... Dear God, why?

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[info]zegim
2009-04-27 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh, boy D:

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[info]newborn
2009-04-27 06:49 pm UTC (link)
I kinda like it. The sheer ridiculousness of the retcon is what sums up far too many Spidey storylines. It's like a love-to-hate factor, or some odd form of masochism, or something.

Actually, mostly I just love Aunt May. She competes with Ben Grimm for the title of "most sensible character in the MU" sometimes.

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[info]warpedhand
2009-04-27 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Peter, if you and Reed are going to go through the charade of him not knowing your identity, at least put a little effort into it.

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[info]batmanexaminer
2009-04-27 07:32 pm UTC (link)
So if the pregnency never happened (according to Marvel) but EVERYTHING STILL HAPPENED EXCEPT PETER AND MJ WERE SINGLE SEE SEE SEE WE EVEN HAD HIM ACKNOWLEDGE OLD STORIES then how the whole miscarriage mess happen?

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[info]salad_barbarian
2009-04-28 01:44 am UTC (link)
Marvel: Well you see it's quite simple. The entire thing can be explained by LOOK AT THE MONKEY! SEE ALL OF YOUR FAVORITE HEROES IN MONKEY FORM!

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-27 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I really don't like the Kill-the-Baby storylines and I try to avoid them. This particular one I try to read only one every few years. Couldn't you have warned us of that?

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-28 03:23 pm UTC (link)
No offense, but unless a comic contains gore or nudity or a combo of the two, I don't really think a disclaimer should be necessary.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-28 05:42 pm UTC (link)
When you introduce what you're bringing as 'exciting rebirth', it's kind of a gut-punch to immediately be shoved into a really horrific dead baby scenario instead. Unless it was meant to be one of those rick rolling jokes..

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-28 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Maybe its because I've just seen "Trainspotting", but as far the subject matter goes, its relatively tasteful here. (It is, after all, a Spider-Man comic) The purpose of showing the death of "Baby May" is because its important to the "resurrection of Aunt May" storyline in that Peter is lead to believe "May is alive" refers to his daughter rather than his aunt.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-28 05:55 pm UTC (link)
He didn't think it was necessary to show Mongraine's first appearance. It really wasn't necessary. He made a dramatic choice. I'm just asking, don't make it sound so delightful next time you do dead baby stories?

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[info]xdoop
2009-04-28 06:02 pm UTC (link)
I actually considered posting Mongrain's first appearance, along with the rest of her storyline (on the cruise ship, almost getting blown up by the Scriers, traveling w/Robbie Robertson), but my post was getting too bogged down as it was.

Nonetheless, MJ's miscarriage, and the scene with Mongrain and Norman where she delivers the package to him, was relevant to the storyline where Aunt May came back. Hence why I posted it. I wasn't trying to be shocking or whatever.

I called the topic "Aunt May: Rebirth" because of "Green Lantern: Rebirth," and because I thought it was funny. It wasn't related to the miscarriage.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-29 08:54 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I missed the sarcasm (but I *like* rebirths :P ). I understand now you were trying to convey the sheer frustration the fans felt at the bait and switch. Not surprising why I choose to avoid it so strenuously--I tend to skip everything after Clone Saga ended. It's even worse than what people complained of in the earlier stories.

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-28 06:03 pm UTC (link)
For one thing, the whole "exciting rebirth" was probably supposed to be sarcastic--given my previous post with May's death in #400, the general consensus was that everyone thought she should have stayed dead and bringing her back in the way that she was was poorly done.

I would argue that if you're discussing May's return from the dead, that the death of Baby May IS necessary--because right up until the big reveal, the readers (and Peter) were all lead to believe that "May is alive!" was in reference to Baby May, and not Aunt May.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-29 08:50 am UTC (link)
I've been known to miss sarcasm on the net.

I don't actually think it was necessary. There was nothing in the scene that indicated the switch, the poisoning, Osborn's manipulation. It was just the heartwrenching information, "the baby is dead". Which could have been conveyed as I just said.

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-29 11:31 am UTC (link)
After she's told the baby's dead, we see Alison Mongrain delivering a package to Norman Osborn. That is necessary.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-29 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Are you suggesting we need more rules?

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-29 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Huh?

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-29 08:58 pm UTC (link)
I understand Doop was trying to be as completist if possible, and I realize now what he/she/it was going for. But I know I'm not the only person who's ever lost a child or had an abortion. It's very easy to hurt someone over traumatic things, and we all try to be considerate on a woman-friendly com. I figured I'd speak up, so hey, he/she/it knows. Do we really need to bring rules into it?

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[info]xdoop
2009-04-29 09:45 pm UTC (link)
Fine, in the future I'll post a warning next time I have something like that. Sorry.

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[info]cyberghostface
2009-04-30 10:11 am UTC (link)
I'm very sorry to hear that.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-30 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry I mentioned it bothered me. Let's just drop it.

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[info]vignettelante
2009-04-27 09:33 pm UTC (link)
...She thinks getting kidnapped, replaced by a woman who underwent genetic therapy to impersonate her, and having a detonator for a DNA bomb lodged in her brain is due to rap music? Well, it makes as much sense as anything else in this plot.

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[info]buttler
2009-04-27 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Wow, this is horrible. Who thought any of this was a good idea?

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[info]lbd_nytetrayn
2009-04-28 12:55 am UTC (link)
Fourth scan from 263...

I thought they were up at Norman's cottage or something in the mountains. So why is it when Goblin blows up the wall, we see the city? I mean, two hours away... I don't know, would it really be that close?

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-04-28 03:45 am UTC (link)
I'll give it one thing - while this was completely unnecessary, it DID set up a good slam-bang Green Goblin story, which is always good, so at least it wasn't completely useless. And Peter's joy at seeing his beloved aunt alive again and hearing her say his name is pretty touching, having read the previous story. And I like Aunt May, when she's written well, so it's not like this was a complete travesty - you need a few more elements for that.
That being said, that line about the rap music is stupid. While Aunt May has occasionally been written as a step or two behind everyone else (for example, the story where she and Gwen Stacy are held hostage by the Sinister Six, and she finds Doc Ock to be perfectly charming but is horrified when Spider-Man shows up), she is NOT just a nattering old biddy. She has a brain in her head. The rap music line is completely out of character.

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[info]greenmask
2009-04-28 10:28 am UTC (link)
Where is MJ? In those first few pages. It looks like a giant tiled incubator, with that light. She's in the middle of a big dark tiled room under a strong yellow spotlight and they just say "sorry" and leave her there? In the bed she just gave birth in? The doctor's covered in blood, for goodness sake!

That is surely bad form! No?

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[info]xdoop
2009-04-28 10:33 am UTC (link)
I think the doctor was also working for Norman.

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[info]greenmask
2009-04-28 10:35 am UTC (link)
Ohhh.

That Norman. What a jerk! }:O

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2010-06-22 07:33 am UTC (link)
It's that awful rap music! Because them KIDS! They listen to the rap music!

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