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bluefall ([info]bluefall) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-27 12:19:00

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Entry tags:char: darkseid, char: hippolyta of themyscira, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: phil jimenez, event: our worlds at war, group: justice league of america, series: when wondy was awesome, series: world of wondy

When Wondy was Awesome, part 13 (Amazon Queen)
Back in the summer of 2001, DC kicked off one of their many epic, universe-spanning Crossover Events with an issue of SUPERMAN in which Pluto goes missing. Yes, Pluto, the planet astral body. This Crossover Event was "Our Worlds at War," and it was not particularly well-received by fandom. Which makes sense; the plot was needlessly byzantine and, as ever, there was a lot of c-list fodder happening, particularly with women, surprise surprise. I find it fairly mediocre standard crossover fare myself, but '01 was quite a while before ICk and Shamazons, so I don't know if that's just a calibration issue and maybe it was pretty bad for the time.

But I will say this for it: despite being, ostensibly, Superman's crossover (his badguys, mostly his book, his long-term plot threads), the impact on and contribution from Diana and her corner of the DCU was significant, which is something you don't usually see - major impact on Diana's obviously not unheard of, but contribution in proportion to that impact is much rarer and worthy of note and approbation - and it had one of the greater Wondy moments on record, which is what we'll be looking at today.









Okay, first off, a little bit of context is needed. The first bit is that way, way back in the very first arc of Byrne's run, Darkseid lured and kidnapped Diana and sacked Themyscira in an attempt to locate the Greek gods and steal their power. By the end of the arc we had this scene:







Thousands of slaughtered amazons, folks. Never gets old. ::facepalm::

Then later in Byrne's run, we find out that Darkseid once tricked the Greek gods into dividing themselves (into the separate beings of the Greek and Roman pantheons) in order to reduce their power. So in a nutshell, Darkseid is a fairly significant Wondy rogue by this point, and she and the amazons have many reasons to loathe and despise him.



The other important bits are from the roughly two years of Jimenez preceding this - first, the amazons had a civil war, and Polly and Diana abolished the monarchy and were asked to leave the island as part of the peace effort. And second and more importantly, Polly and Diana are having a falling out, because Jimenez was writing Polly to be the selfish, self-important, irresponsible dumbass she was in WML's run, rather than Perez' nurturer or Byrne's hero, and Diana would like her to please act like a fucking queen for a second instead of playing hero in Man's World and causing Amazonian civil wars.







Ugh. And I must say I'm not entirely certain why Diana doesn't just stop her right here and say "actually, the gods were pretty pissed off when I had Phillipus give you the mantle." Come on, Jimenez, you're all about the continuity porn, I know you remember that.



Anyway. That's where we are when OW@W starts, with the disappearance of Pluto and the arrival of an Imperiex probe, and of Apokolips, which appears in the sky above Metropolis so Darkseid can propose an alliance (never a good sign). Imperiex is this evil energy entity who's consuming the universe for more energy, including such familiar locales as Daxam, Tamaran and Almerac (home of Maxima, who, of course, died in this crossover).



The Imperiex probes are these big fighty metal robot shells that pretty much require a Green Lantern or better to even make a dent in 'em. And if you do manage to take one down, it explodes with a force reasonably comparable to a small nuke. Naturally (since Earth is, after all, home to the galaxy's largest concentration of Lantern-or-better level players), the scattered refugees of the galaxy, plus Darkseid, plus Braniac, have all decided to ally with the locals and make their stand here, which means that there are a crapton of aliens and a crapton of Imperiex probes on their tails all hanging out in the atmosphere, and Topeka gets bombed off the face of the planet, and everything has gotten very nasty, and the JLA have gone out into space to hack away at the bad guys.











Also, the big thing with this crossover is famous war speeches as narration, for some reason. They work really well in some issues, and come across very stupid in others.



Regardless. Diana gets blowed up good and spends the next six issues of the event lying around half-dead. This turns out to be jobbing, since the probes get mysteriously easier to kill after that (not easy, but certainly easier and significantly less lethal), but the point is, Diana gets taken out of the picture, and Polly, who's hanging out on the medical spaceship, takes her place in the battle.







Yeah, not so much with the saving the universe. But she does get into a tangle protecting the ship from some probes.







The "hollower" that's falling toward Greece there is the machine Imperiex uses to convert planets to energy. So this is a Bad Thing even beyond the mere danger of impact. Meanwhile Diana wakes up, hears from Kyle that her mom went out to be heroic, and charges out into space after her.

She gets to her just in time for them to get attacked by a probe.







She, like Diana, blew up a probe while right on top of it.



She, unlike Diana, is not particularly impervious to harm.





This is, actually, a pretty good death. It's incredibly heroic, but on a tangible scale; she's saving her daughter, and most of Greece, which is a huge thing, but still small enough that you can wrap your head around it, as opposed to something more abstract like the entire universe or whatever. It was Polly's choice, and Polly's story; she had total agency and badassery throughout and the whole thing was definitely not sexy or cheap. The impact on her corner of the universe was real and lasting, as we'll see in subsequent chapters. And it got her safely out of the storyline so we didn't have to keep watching Jimenez make her stupid and irresponsible and buried by a fake nonsensical midlife crisis, which was of the good as well. If the Queen must die, let her die like this, and I am happy.



Anyway. Polly's dead. Things immediately get very complicated very quickly.



Various victories achieved by the JSA and the assorted heroes of the world force Imperiex to come to Earth in person. Everyone pours on the heat, and Darkseid gets set to boom tube the energy from the resulting explosion to a non-harmful place (like the dead galaxies whence it came).



That works, so far as it goes - Brainiac fires off a massive canon from Earth, and there's apparently some weird stuff with Strange Visitor, and Darkseid lays in with the Omega beams and crap, and then Imperiex cracks open. But just as it does, Pluto - restructured by Braniac into a new War World - reappears right on top of it and absorbs all the energy. Now supremely powerful, Braniac sends out a "tendril" of energy from War World to Apokolips which pretty much wracks the hell right out of it, and just like that, Darkseid is out of the game.



Naturally, Braniac then sends a second tendril out against Earth. The only way to save the planet is to intercept it. But what do they have that's large enough and strong enough and fast enough to get in the way?







Why not fucking Themyscira? Massive amazon sacrifice: it's how you know this battle's For Real!



Meanwhile the amazons themselves have all piled into the lansinar tech (form of: personal space-worthy shuttlecraft!) and launched an attack on War World and the looming tendril.







The amazons are forced to fight alongside the parademons, while Diana goes to find Darkseid. And here, my friends, is where the asskicking begins.















(Apparently Raven needs to be involved as a spiritual conduit for this to work. I think that's probably fair; faith in Darkseid isn't something your average Amazon is going to be able to do without an intermediary.)






More entirely-too-complicated plot stuff here. Imperiex isn't gone, just contained, and Braniac has made things worse. So they have to Boom Tube him back to the Big Bang in order to prevent the end of the universe. Whatever. Day is saved. And then?







SO. BAD. ASS.



And lest you think "oh, whatever, like that means anything," fifteen issues later, check out the Ev0lest Dude in the Universe:








I think the phrase you're looking for here, Diana, is "suck it."



And in a sense, that's actually the single most impressive victory anyone has ever achieved over Darkseid. Yeah, you can nail him to the Source Wall, but he'll come back. Yeah, you can sing at him until he explodes, but he'll come back. He's the god of tyranny, an insanely prominent Kirby legacy, a creature too cosmic to lose. He'll always come back. Physical defeat, ideological defeat, those things are temporary.

But this? This doesn't get fixed. This is too quiet for any other writer to notice, too subtle and insidious to be easily excised or dismissed. This is permanent. The guy who laid bloody waste during Final Crisis? He still had a little piece of purity in his tyrannical bastard soul, quietly tormenting him with its presence. When we next inevitably see him? He still will. And that is some solace to me against Morrison's crap use of Diana; he got to corrupt her, sure. But she corrupted him first, and it stuck, and she didn't need Anti-Life to do it.


Next time: The League is imperialist and Diana pretty much singlehandedly justifies every statement Clark or Bruce have ever made about hating magic.


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[info]mullon
2009-03-27 12:17 pm UTC (link)
It would be interesting if that soul piece had come into play more often.

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-27 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I like to assume it's in evidence in places where the author didn't intend it. Like that thing in... Countdown maybe? where his current consort says something cuttingly insightful about his mental state and he fries her - the fact that she was able to get that close at all, or that she was fearless enough of him to have been foolish enough to say it, you can easily attribute to him being unusually decent to her prior to that as a direct result of this, if you want.

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(Anonymous)
2009-03-27 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Sigh. Yeah. I am one of the few people who loved the hell out of Our Worlds at War. For moments like this. And of course when Superman plowed into the sun. Awesome.

And I would wonder if there was something wrong with me. I mean, I liked it, and the fans hated it. But then, the fans thought Jason Todd coming back would be super kewl. And so I rest easy knowing I'm just smarter than everyone. ;)

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[info]statham1986
2009-03-27 12:52 pm UTC (link)
It certainly doesn't make up for Morrison's shit use of Diana in Final Crisis, but I do like the idea that Darkseid, as powerful as he is, is so petty that he doesn't simply attempt to have Diana killed as he's getting things going during FC. In fact, he's that petty about his own humiliation that he has to humiliate Diana by pretty much forcing her to be the opposite of what she usually is. It's what she did to him, only on a much grander scale, really. He gets a teensy bit nicer, she gets turned into a leader of his new Furies.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-03-27 05:20 pm UTC (link)
eh, it didn't happen.

What? Reality was breaking down, we never saw how she was restored. If Morrison wants to pull that kind of crap then I say reality was rewritten so she never actually got corrupted.

That's why that scene at the end showed her looking at the mask and slowly destorying it, instead of just smashing it really bad(which I think she has enough temper for.) It was a remnant of a possible reality that she felt somehow had some connection to her. Then she looked at it, decided no, it doesn't and wasn't worth keeping.

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-28 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I like that.

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[info]buttler
2009-03-27 12:59 pm UTC (link)
I can't begin to make sense of this mega-event kerfuffle, but I do like the faux-Kirby design of those Imperiex fellas.

And channeling the grudging faith of a thousand Amazons? That's so Raven.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-03-27 03:55 pm UTC (link)
And how long have you been waiting to use that Raven reference? :)

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[info]buttler
2009-03-27 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Maybe a minute. I don't have much impulse control about that kind of thing.

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[info]fungo_squiggly
2009-03-27 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Darkseid being compelled by his Wondy-imbued conscience to spare the life of the slave is certainly one of the most awesome things ever.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-03-27 03:19 pm UTC (link)
How do you deal with a giant, universal threat?

Throw a massive island at it.

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[info]perletwo
2009-03-27 09:36 pm UTC (link)
*nods* and if it's merely a global threat, get Aquaman to throw a polar bear at it. Works every time.

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[info]janegray
2009-03-27 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Bwhahahahahahahahahaha! Now that's a victory! XD

Still, only if about one thousand and a half Amazons are "nearly half of [them]", does that meant that Amazons were only about 4000? I thought they were 10,000... I wonder how many are in Themyscira now.

And Diana is a telepath? Really?

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-27 04:07 pm UTC (link)
does that meant that Amazons were only about 4000?

See here.

Diana linked up mentally with the amazons through the Lansinar tech; it's just a fancy wireless, really.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-03-27 05:23 pm UTC (link)
where were the Greek Gods? It just occured to me they could have done this.

Also I thought I remembered you disliking Hippolyta's death?

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-27 05:32 pm UTC (link)
I've always liked Polly's death. What I could do without is the page immediately preceding the one I posted, where she's dying, and wheezing and going ARGGH BARGLE FARGLE and Diana's all spazzing at her. It killed a lot of the pathos of the scene for me.

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Only with her "femmy friends"
[info]buttler
2009-03-27 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Diana is all things to all writers.

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[info]magus_69
2009-03-27 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Darkseid has been Epically Pwned, as the children say upon the internets :D

Bruce may have shot him and Clark may have sang at him, but Diana is the one who has hurt him the most. I like that. For all of their strengths, the boys just don't know how to deal with gods. Diana does.

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-28 01:21 pm UTC (link)
I wonder how much of that is due to culture and how much is simply due to habit. The only person Clark routinely interacts with who's more powerful than him is Mxy, and even Mxy, Clark could probably just fry with his heatvision if he were so inclined (Emoboy certainly didn't have any trouble hurting him). Even Bruce, despite being a badass normal, has never fought anything he can't defeat - he has no rogue he can't either outsmart or outfight or usually both, he's heavily inclined toward Batgoddery on the Justice League, he always has access to resources (Mother Box, other more powerful Leaguers, etc) that can make up the difference. Neither of them kills, but they nevertheless operate very much in that mode; their victories rely on their opponents being killable. Beating someone until they give up is a difference in scale, not kind, after all, and thus if you set them against a god, they scale up and go for the kill as usual.

Diana, on the other hand, was fighting Ares right out of the gate, and her most regular rogue outside Cheetah is Circe. Further, her primary goal on this Earth is to end war and prejudice. She spends every single day wrestling with an opponent that no amount of punching or clever analysis will ever make the least dent in. She's not even playing the same game as them, and her default understanding of victory doesn't involve the hurt-maim-kill MO. So she's not going to make the mistake of using that MO where it isn't applicable.

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[info]apathy4everyone.livejournal.com
2009-03-27 07:33 pm UTC (link)
While the "Look at me!" moment is actually really cool, imagine how much cooler still a story like this could have been if Darkseid was being written according to Kirby's original characterization. You know, back when he wasn't just this big, EBIL lout who's easily outwitted and outmatched by the hero. That guy was clever, subtle, even wise and noble in a certain, twisted way, all the while still being completely evil.

Diana and Kirby's Darkseid seem to both be characters with godly INT, WIS and CHA - just at different points of the alignment spectrum - and a good writer could really do something with that.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-03-27 08:34 pm UTC (link)
I've seen a bit of Kirby's Darkseid. I didn't see that. I could totally buy the rumor that Kirby's Darkseid was going to turn out to be a massive fraud.

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[info]colonel_green
2009-03-27 08:39 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree; I've read the whole Kirby series, and he never comes across as anything other than a generic supervillain.

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[info]apathy4everyone.livejournal.com
2009-03-27 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Huh. Then I take it you must hold the current version of the character in especially low regard, since he would then essentially a generic supervillain, sans class and wit?

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-03-28 05:45 am UTC (link)
I utterly despise the Darkseid character and he's one of the reasons I find the New Gods such a week concept. To me they're far less godly than many superheroes already in the DCU

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[info]unknownscribler
2009-03-28 07:39 am UTC (link)
I want to see Diana hanging out as the herald of Galactus

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-28 01:03 pm UTC (link)
Well, if Thor can do it...

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[info]arrlaari.livejournal.com
2009-03-28 04:20 pm UTC (link)
But everyone knows that only OMAC is the right man for the job.

"Evacuate this planet! I'm going to destroy it!"

A good herald omits extraneous detail.

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