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sherkahn (sherkahn) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-23 16:25:00

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char: ares/marvel, creator: kieron gillen, creator: manuel garcia, publisher: marvel comics

Awoooo!!! Preview for Dark Avengers: Ares #1
The preview for Dark Avengers: Ares #1 are up at CBR.

This was so good I had to post 2 pages of it.

Damn right you are the other god of war.
Awoooo!!! Awoooo!!! Awoooo!!!

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	sailorlibra 2009-10-23 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	Well, Ares is doing a really good job of making Athena sound great. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	punishermax 2009-10-24 12:58 am UTC (link)
	I son't really understand his meaning here though. What kills them? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	timemonkey 2009-10-24 01:05 am UTC (link)
	They fight till they die basicaly. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	punishermax 2009-10-24 01:08 am UTC (link)
	Aaaaah makes sense then. Well then it sort of makes sense then. Ares is basically all about glory. Yeah you'll die, but you'll be remembered as a Rambo level badass who took on armies by yourself. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lonewolf23k 2009-10-24 04:38 am UTC (link)
	Too bad that in the real world, War doesn't favor the rampaging badass who charges armies on his own. It favors the strategic planner. Wars aren't won by force, after all. They're won by logistics. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	crinosg 2009-10-24 05:36 am UTC (link)
	That's probably why in the original myths Athena was Zeus' top adviser and Ares was a whiny little bitch who ran away crying the instant he actually got hit in a fight. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-24 09:37 am UTC (link)
	It is an interesting split though. Athena is the goddess of commanders, of how war is fought. Ares is the god of fighters, how war is on the battlefield. No matter how well planned or how good an army, down in the trenches it's always going to be Ares domain. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mania21 2009-10-24 02:36 pm UTC (link)
	Though on the upside, he did sleep with Aphrodite. Course Hephaestus had a few things to say about that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	petalsinthewind 2009-10-24 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	That was always the Athenian metaphor for war, to me. Attractive, loud, blustery, infantile. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-24 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	well....at least since bullets leveled out the playing field (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-28 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Well in his own mini, Ares was shown as the Greek god who was willing to vary the most from tradition to accomplish his goal, albeit with added destruction. He was for all intents and purposes their best tactician against an unknown foe because his line of work meant he couldn't get suckered into tradition and stagnation. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-10-23 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Wrong helemt... (Reply to this)

	icon_uk 2009-10-23 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	As I understand it Ares was never really worshipped by the Greeks so much as he was sort of tactfully avoided. If you offered a prayer about him in battle it was usually that he keep the hell away from your battle, because he wasn't so much the god of war as he was the god of mindless destruction. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	outlawpoet 2009-10-24 12:14 am UTC (link)
	Like Hades, or Poseidon? "Avoid Pissing Him Off" kind of religion? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-10-24 01:15 am UTC (link)
	Hades wasn't so bad, actually. One has to worry more about Zeus. And to avoid pissing him off was to worship him. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	greatest_zatara 2009-10-24 02:59 am UTC (link)
	Old school gods. Don't worship them because they deserve it, worship them because they're GODS. :D (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-10-24 12:28 am UTC (link)
	I don't think the myths are actually that representative of actual greek worship. Take Hera for example, in the myths she's mainly just an angry bitch, in the actual worship she's fairly central. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	punishermax 2009-10-24 01:09 am UTC (link)
	Well Zues was just the Rapist King so we can't really judge here. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-10-24 02:23 am UTC (link)
	Sort of depends. Our understanding of Greek mythology has a heavily Athenian bent, them being the chaps most likely to record this sort of thing in the arts. If Sparta had been more concerned with posterity, we might have more stories about what an awesome guy Ares is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	proteus_lives 2009-10-24 05:29 am UTC (link)
	Wasn't he big in Thebes too? (Reply to this) (Parent)

l_arlesienne
2009-10-24 05:46 am UTC (link)

One account by Pausanias (the one from Anatolia, in his 'Description of Greece') mentioned that the Spartans had a chained statue of Ares just outside the city, with the idea being that the martial spirit and victory were never to leave Sparta. He also mentioned something about the sacrificing of puppies to Ares. So the Spartans like him, even if nobody else did =P

And a mention by the poet Tyrtaeus (lived in Sparta, but no real consensus on his origin, possibly from Laconia): "I am a squire of the lord of war, Enyalius (byname for Ares in Sparta), and I understand the lovely gift of the Muses."

We do have some archaeological remains of religious beliefs and practices from the Spartans themselves, but IIRC, it's mostly remnants from the worship of Artemis-Orthia.

Your point still stands though. Tis a pity that even the perioeci didn't bother to record the culture of Sparta and Laconia, since the Spartiates themselves obviously wouldn't.

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	va1tyr 2009-10-24 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	If I understand correctly, Athena would be also more likely to be worshipped by the higher military ranks, Ares by the common soldier, so again, Athena's guys would be more likely to leave traces of their worship and opinions of the Gods. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	daningram 2009-10-23 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	I wonder if Ares is going to be depicted as competent and skilled, as opposed to, ya know, almost every depiction of him in myth and comics so far. So far, all he's done is act like Wolverine with an axe and super strength. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lakrids404 2009-10-24 12:25 am UTC (link)
	They could go with, that he is competent team leader and or trainer, but a really lousy general (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lonewolf23k 2009-10-24 04:40 am UTC (link)
	I think that's always been the point about Ares. He's most emphatically NOT the god of strategic leadership and good command. He's the God of Warriors. The kind who go in and get their hands dirty. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	va1tyr 2009-10-24 01:09 pm UTC (link)
	He's been depicted as a very competent and skilled warrior, with a certain amount of cunning. I've been really enjoying his depiction in Herc and Secret Warriors and War Machine. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daningram 2009-10-24 03:51 pm UTC (link)
	In Hercules, he got trashed each time he fought Herc. In War Machine, he unleashed a techno-biological agent because he was impatient and got himself infected. So...where were those cunning depictions? ;) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

va1tyr
2009-10-24 03:55 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, he pretty much always loses to Herc. Being defeated by Herc does not make one not-skilled in combat. I maintain the Hydra blood thing was reasonably cunning, and only foiled by the Black Widow knowing her Greek myths.

His unleashing the techno-biological agent has nothing to do with his skills or competence. He quite clearly did it for the lulz, and there were indeed lulz.

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	lpetrazickis 2009-10-24 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	Competent and skilled warriors don't bash logistics. "An army marches on its stomach." - Napoleon (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-24 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	"as opposed to, ya know, almost every depiction of him in myth and comics so far." ...you mean "NO!! Blows from an unseen assailant have felled Wonder Man!!" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	comicoz 2009-10-26 02:31 pm UTC (link)
	That was an AWESOME line. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cainofdreaming 2009-10-26 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	I hoped they'd go that way after his mini, in which he was competent, complex person. No such luck, from what I've seen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-10-24 12:43 am UTC (link)
	I want to see Patton rise out of his grave and kick his ass. (Reply to this)

	salamangkiero 2009-10-24 02:20 am UTC (link)
	Athena wold probably take umbrage at what he's just said...and she can be a mighty sneaky bitch. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-10-24 02:26 am UTC (link)
	I don't know; all he said was "my sister cares about X, I don't" - that's true. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daningram 2009-10-24 03:00 am UTC (link)
	Especially when Ares just outright dismisses good tactics and common sense. No wonder Herc kicks his ass all the time. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	salamangkiero 2009-10-24 03:44 am UTC (link)
	the way these gods were...just disagreeing with each other could be a cause for war... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	timemonkey 2009-10-24 12:04 pm UTC (link)
	I do wonder why Athena isn't, you know, doing anything to limit this. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-10-24 01:07 pm UTC (link)
	Why would she care? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	timemonkey 2009-10-24 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	Because if the gods were allowed to just run rampant however they wnted Earth would have been rubble long ago. Plus, if she didn't give a damn about humanity she wouldn't have bothered teaching them anything. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-10-24 10:13 pm UTC (link)
	It doesn't seem from this like he's running rampant reducing the world to rubble; and while she may be concerned by humanity, individual humans probably don't matter much to her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	salamangkiero 2009-10-25 02:12 am UTC (link)
	Considering the ego that some of these gods historically have..anything is possible. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	proteus_lives 2009-10-24 05:30 am UTC (link)
	I so want to see DC Ares vs. Marvel Ares. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	geoffsebesta 2009-10-24 05:53 am UTC (link)
	ooo. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	foxhack 2009-10-24 09:43 pm UTC (link)
	Add the Hercules/Xena Ares to make everyone happy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sherkahn 2009-10-24 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	Mmmm... nope. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autolychus2 2009-10-25 12:14 am UTC (link)
	INFIDEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autolychus2 2009-10-25 12:41 am UTC (link)
	But, Sherkhan, Xena's Ares had that cool 70s porn moustache. That's gotta count for something. (Reply to this) (Parent)