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anyusa0030 (anyusa0030) wrote in qaf_coffeeclub,
@ 2010-04-08 19:30:00

i was reading a fic and it hit me how alike justin and lindsy are ,i mean they are both blond ,both alittle pale,come frome relatively similar background'upper middle class',the private prep school thing though we dont know for sure if lindsy went to private school in high school.anyways in thinking about this i started analizing the fact that brian slept with lindsy once if you believe season 5 or more if you believe season one ,despite brian no fucking your friends policy and the fact that he and lindsy were already friends when they slept together, and i know they were drunk but brian also has been drunk and high as a kite with micheal and never crossed that line.so why did he crossed the line with lindsy ,could it be that brian wondered if it could be more than just frienship with lindsy.i dont know about a gay man but i know that sometimes you can have such a good relationship with a friend that you wonder if the feelings are purely friendship and what could come out if you go futher,could it be that brian felt this and if it is so does that mean he questioned his sexuality.i know he told lindsy he never thought of them as a posiblke reality but brian usually say a lot of thiks he does no mean and i find it had to dismiss the fact that brian slept with a woman that he loves more than once because he was drunk.so what do you guys think?

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wavingcat5
2010-04-09 12:10 am UTC (link)

Well, it happened pre-series, so I imagine his 'rules' may not have been formed.

It's not something that ever seemed OOC for me. I know they are characters not real people, but the fact I've known real people who've done the exact same thing (been gay & out, but had a close female friend in highschool or college that he's maybe fallen a little in love with, slept with her, then stopped sleeping together, continued being best of friends - after she got over her heartbreak - and continued being gay.)

By the way I'm not talking about me :D this really happened to friends of mine.

The flirtatious relationship some gay men have with some women is fascinating, and somehow innocent and delightful. As per the Lindsay farewell in 513, maybe there is something of Peter Pan and Wendy about it. (I love that scene!) Brian definitely idealises Lindsay in a way that's unlike his relationship with Mikey - it's also different to how he is with Justin, but a triangular analysis of how he is with each of them could be interesting.

As I said, I just accept it :D

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anyusa0030
2010-04-09 12:45 am UTC (link)

but a triangular analysis of how he is with each of them could be interesting.
i know it almost seams like lindsy is the female version of justin .by the way never thought you were talking about you.i dont so much think its OOC ,but am not sure about what i feel about the fact that he slept with lindsy and not micheal when both were friends,what effect does the fact that lindsy is gay have on this,is it posible that at the the friendship was not that strong?.

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	wavingcat5 2010-04-09 12:19 am UTC (link)
	Thinking about your question a bit more... Brian loved Mikey but wasn't in love with him. Brian was (I'm guessing) a bit in love with Lindsay, but it was separate from sex. In Justin for the first time, Brian discovers being in love, and being in lust. So in that sense what he'd rehearsed with Lindsay comes to the fore, but it's the whole package. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:01 am UTC (link)
	Brian loved Mikey but wasn't in love with him. Brian was i told myself am never having these debate again,its one of those think about qaf that fans just have to agree to desagree.but the fact that brian might have been a little in love with lindsy is promissing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

xie_xie_xie
2010-04-09 01:06 am UTC (link)

Yes, by all means, let's take one of the only genuinely gay characters in the entire history of television and say he's not really gay.

Gay and lesbian people do sometimes have sex with members of the opposite sex. it doesn't mean we're not gay or that we're "in love" with those people. There are bisexual people, and Lindsay may well be one of the, but BRIAN? No.

It's a Mary Sue fantasy.

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	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:18 am UTC (link)
	wow am not saying he was not gay but is it posible that at a young age in college he might have questioned it?is it posible that his love for lindsy that was as we know now plotonic been confusing for him that he might have thought it was more than that?.i mean i imagined brian had ajouney to the confident homosexual we met,was there doubts in that jouney? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xie_xie_xie 2010-04-09 01:27 am UTC (link)
	Sounds like he was pretty sure of who he was by age 14, so in his case, I don't see it. I think the over-interpretation of him having had sex with Lindsay is heteronormative. I just don't think it meant/had to mean much to Brian at all. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:38 am UTC (link)
	i really think you have put my questions to rest ,am conviced i might have just been overthinking i do that a lot (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xie_xie_xie 2010-04-09 12:19 am UTC (link)
	They slept together once in college (they say it was "once" in Season 5). I'm a lesbian and I had sex with a guy in college when I was under the influence. It's a common thing in the queer community and I don't think it really means much at all. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2010-04-09 12:40 am UTC (link)
	gasps That's it!!! Turn in your lesbian card!!!!! Look! Marianne!!! Completely OT, I miss you. I need home fries. sobs (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xie_xie_xie 2010-04-09 01:26 am UTC (link)
	I miss you a hella lot, too. I wish you could come visit... maybe Pride? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2010-04-09 04:10 am UTC (link)
	I'll try, my darling! Depends on how things go. I'll call you tomorrow night, if you're gonna be home. Doing the family thing at the mo'. g (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xie_xie_xie 2010-04-09 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	Ronan is coming by around 4 and we're taking Rawley to the beach... then I'll be in for the evening! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 12:49 am UTC (link)
	we know brian is high functioning while drunk so my thought is that he knew what he was doing and being drunk was more an excuse than a reason. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xie_xie_xie 2010-04-09 01:04 am UTC (link)
	I don't see that making any kind of difference. What is the point you're making here? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:12 am UTC (link)
	it was not just a fuck,so if it wasn't what was it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

xie_xie_xie
2010-04-09 01:24 am UTC (link)

Hmmmm, why do you say it was not just a fuck? I think that's exactly what it was. I think the only thing that's consistent with the character of Brian Kinney that we know, and the gay culture we're given in canon, that he was kind of wasted, Lindsay was there, he'd never done it and was curious/wanted to put it in his memoirs that he'd done it at least once, he thought why the hell not? and did it. And it was nothing to him, as we know from the conversation during the interview for Gus' pre-school when Lindsay says something to the effect, "Did you ever think you and I...?" and Brian says, "No."

As to why Brian fucked Lindsay and not Michael, there are many reasons that would be perfectly consistent with canon, and we're not told which it was. But one, he does almost have sex with Michael, and it gets interrupted. He doesn't care enough about it to do it again, plus he may have felt that part of why Michael stuck with him was unrequited love/lost (something that I think canon tells us is possibly even true), so it's in Brian's interest to keep him hanging (as David tells him, and Melanie also says).

Also, Lindsay is a lesbian, so Brian could have seen it as a bit less tricky than having sex with Michael, who is a gay man like him.

I really find turning what Brian felt for Lindsay into something sexual or romantic is completely inconsistent with canon, and it bugs me politically, too.

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	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:35 am UTC (link)
	curiousity would explain alot,she is here she wants it let me take be opotunity and find out what it feels like with agirl besides she is gay she will get over it.sorry don't mean to bug you i just always like thinking outside the box a little about this characters and sometime my mind goes head of me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fun_demented 2010-04-09 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	Justin and Daphne wasn't just a fuck either... but it also wasn't romance or even chemistry. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-13 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	right (Reply to this) (Parent)

	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:04 am UTC (link)
	in season one brian says he took advantage of afew of those chances ,doesn't afew imply more than once? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

xie_xie_xie
2010-04-09 01:08 am UTC (link)

That was in the pilot -- in a more developed conversation in S5, after five years of character development, they state it was one time. Since both those things can't be true, I give the weight to the one that was more consistent with their characterizations and the plot, as well as the one that seemed more detailed and thought-out.

There are a lot of little "facts" in the pilot that are dropped later one, such as the names of Melanie's grandfathers.

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	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 01:22 am UTC (link)
	i always believed the season five one if for no other reason other than the fact that i hate that he slept with her the thought that he did it more than once was more than i could take (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

vl_redreign
2010-04-09 04:27 am UTC (link)

Why do you hate it that Brian slept with Lindsay? It wasn't a big deal to either of them, not then and not later.

Also, keep in mind that the first 2 episodes (and really, elements of the first 4) were lifted directly from the UK version of QAF. The major departure, of course, was that Stuart and Vince (Brian and Michael's UK counterparts) get together, and Brian and Michael don't. Chalk that up to undeniable chemistry between the actors. I believe that Stuart and...can't recall Lindsay's UK character...Sofie, I think, had a similar conversation after their baby was born.

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	anyusa0030 2010-04-09 05:05 am UTC (link)
	oh no my feellings about them sleeping together is strictly personal, lindsy is one of my least fav characters.i dont know if i would have felt differently if it was someone else but i never liked lindsy don't ask me why am not sure i know why i never liked her .its the same way brian could never do wrong in my eyes lindsy could never do anything right. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

vl_redreign
2010-04-09 05:18 am UTC (link)

Lindsay isn't my favorite character, but I don't dislike her. And way back when, during my first year or so in fandom, I also thought that Brian was this broken, misunderstood man-boy. After re-watching and lots of discussion, I realised that not only is he not perfect, he is in fact an asshole. Broken, yes. Misunderstood, sometimes. Perfect? Hell to the no. Brian can and has done a lot of wrong, most of it to Michael and Justin. His reasons for it were bullshit, usually. I used to want to defend him against all naysayers. Now, I'd rather argue his motivations for the things he did, rather than try to paint him as being the wronged party.

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anyusa0030
2010-04-09 06:00 am UTC (link)

okey i should probably not have used the phrase can do no wrong,i love brian inspite of his faults,i blame his friend for his action most of the time he acts like an asshole because they take it and excuse it thus they deserve what they get,he treats emmet differently because emmet calls him on it.yess brian can be selfish and self sentered i mean most b/j fans have a problem with micheal treatment of justin atleast inthe begining but brian should have hanled the crush years before justin arrival but for his own selfish reasons he kept micheal haging on.as far as lindsy is concerned i totally dislike if itbwas not for mell i would never have watched lindsy at all.

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fun_demented
2010-04-09 04:57 pm UTC (link)

I think many take Brian's sex rules too literally. And clump them together with Brian and Justin's arrangement--that Justin pretty much dictated, thus a strong reflection of Justin that gets usually solely attributed to Brian.

I think all this conjecture falls in the "not enough information" category. I don't recall Season 1 or Season 5 outlining the parameters of the Lindsay and Brian hookup(s).

Look, in real life I have a gay friend who is not at all attracted to woman or any type of heterosexual hookups. Yet in college he had a girlfriend for a short period of time. It was not successful and it went bad. He was never questioning his sexuality. I am not going to delve into the his psychology for the purpose of this post, it's just not really SO uncommon for homosexuals to engage a time or two with the opposite sex, particularly prior to adulthood.

This show (especially in the beginning) was putting forth cliches. The best friend in love with his best friend, unrequited but strung along. The queer "straight acting" stud who's gotten it up for women a couple times. The "man hating" dyke (Melanie) and the lipstick lesbian who's able to relate to guys and feel attracted to them sometimes (Lindsay). The UK QaF was about creating characters to tell a story. The US QaF was about creating stories to tell us about the characters. It just wasn't as streamline in the beginning and still was pretty much a clone of the UK version.

But mainly: Sexual exploration in college is really not that profound or unusual. It just happens.

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	fun_demented 2010-04-09 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	P.S. perhaps put it into context by imagining that several years after college Daphne and Justin could have had the same the conversation... (Reply to this) (Parent)

anyusa0030
2010-04-13 10:38 pm UTC (link)

sorry to respond to late have been a way,anyways your insight is very helpfull i know am among those who always equate justin rules to brians beliefs and i think i do that because most of the rules where things brian was already doing in one way or another,anyways from the discussion here have come to the conclusion that my opinion was very much shaped by luck of knowledge of what is common and uncommon in gay community,i get feeling that sex with the oposite sex is a common occurance even amongst those who are sure of their sexuality ,i geus that explain why the writers had all the guys in the show exept for ted have experience with weman.

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	danny_sparks 2010-04-09 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	I do believe that Brian loves Lindsay, but I think his love for her is pretty much platonic. I agree that there are some similarities between Justin and Lindsay; it's kind of fun to explore how the writers play around with their similarities and differences. (Reply to this) (Thread)

haachang1998
2010-04-10 04:06 pm UTC (link)

I think Brian first loved Lindsey a little bit like a lover in collage. Later the relationship became more platonic. He was young and exploring. Yes, he knew he liked men, but should be curious about women at that age. He must have thought about the alternative path, marrying a girl like Lindsey, having a family, being a conventional success that his father could never be. To a hetero boy with Irish working class root like Brian, Lindsey seems to be a perfect wife. BK being BK, didn’t take that path, which would be a lot easier for him to succeed. Lindsey also has a lot of qualities Brian likes in a person, the only thing is Lindsey lacks a thing. But he found Justin. On the other hand, Lindsey definitely loved BK as a man, as a lover. She held a fantasy of them being together for a long time. Some studies show women’s sexuality is quite fluid, but I think men’s is not that rigid either. In history, most of the gay men have heterosexual life as well. Some of them may be forced into, but I believe some of them actually chose it themselves. Will you love someone but not have much sexual desire? Last time I read some long married couples are that way.

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anyusa0030
2010-04-13 10:49 pm UTC (link)

yeah that was my line of thinking too but xie brought to my attention a conversation i had forgoten in which brian says he never had the thought of him and linsy being the reality.but i agree with you that its posible the love was not purely plutonic i mean their is this gay pon star named wrangler who fell in love with a woman and married her in his biography he says they do not have sex ,romantic love does not necesarily have to include sex.

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lilacwine10
2010-04-26 02:59 pm UTC (link)

This is a little old, but I will add my 2c'-worth anyway.

From episode 101 when this was first alluded to, I've always assumed that Brian and Lindsey just "fooled around" once or twice in college while drunk/high. It was just a little experimentation which meant next to nothing.

Brian is portrayed for 5 seasons as your archetypal gay hero/anti-hero/superhero. I'm positive the producers/writers never wanted to suggest that Brian and Lindsey were once romantically entangled. That would have compromised the character they were trying to portray.

In fact, for five seasons Brian shows *no* interest in the opposite sex unless you count maybe one sexy kiss with Lindsey and a little flirting with Daphne. He doesn't even seem to like effeminate men.

The other thing I have against your premis is that Justin is meant to be the first person, male or female, Brian has ever had any romantic interest in, and even that was against his personal moral code. Remember: "I believe in fu[k1ng, not love...).

All sorts of things in QAF are open to interpretation, but it's pretty clear that Brian is meant to be gay, through and through, and Justin is the only person he ever fell in love with.

I believe that Lindsey did have a thing for Brian once, but that she accepted long ago, that they could never be anything more than friends.

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anyusa0030
2010-04-26 09:33 pm UTC (link)

it suprised me the way this was understood,i never meant to suggest that brian was straight or bi not for a second.am glad you responded and it is never too late i posted this because i needed people opinions .as i have already said my thought process here might have been infuelced by luck of knowledge about what is common and uncommen in gay community.i think i was trying to aply straight person view.as a straight person the only way i would have sex with the same sex is if i had some questions.its already been pointed to me that in gay community this is very common and even those who are 100% sure and comfortable with who they are still at times have sex with the opposte sex,i did not know this and that changes significantly my view know.having said that i do not agree with you that justin is the first person brian ever had romantic interest in,we know very little about brian before the show that we cant really say this for sure.

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I don't agree
(Anonymous)
2010-04-26 09:59 pm UTC (link)

I think it's pretty clear that Justin is intended to be the first person Brian ever had romantic interest in. Remember this: Brian doesn't have very many friends, and if he had someone he was interested in prior to Justin, I'm almost one hundred percent sure the show would have touched on it. I don't agree with you about knowing "very little" about Brian before the show. We actually know quite a bit. We know his parents mistreated him, he practically lived at Michael's and, at least I assume, after going to Babylon for the first time at age 18, that this is where he started his rules of only sleeping around. If Brian had a first love before Justin, don't you think it would have been mentioned? There are countless references to Justin being the one Brian loves "more than he's ever loved anyone", and that he's the only one who's "gotten under the wire". Also, when Michael asked if he had ever been on a date, he said, "One. I ended up f***ing the waiter." I think that's a pretty good indication that he has never been romantically interested in anyone before. This is what makes the story so meaningful to me: Brian was 29 when he met Justin, and, up until then, had never felt something for someone else, making Justin all the more special as a character and a person in Brian's life. I think if Brian had a previous love interest, it would have definitely been discussed.

This is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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Re: I don't agree

anyusa0030
2010-04-26 11:18 pm UTC (link)

"Brian doesn't have very many friends"brian has four friend this is not few, most people have 2-4 people they will call friend and the rest just aquitances, and maybe one best friend. brian actually have two best friends,so i think he is actually well rounded in friend factor. "and if he had someone he was interested in prior to Justin, I'm almost one hundred percent sure the show would have touched on it"well other than emmet and melenie the show is preaty quite when it comes to the characters romantic past,did ted ever have a boyfriend before blake?,was dr dave micheal first boyfriend?,yess emmet had acrush on some guy in high school that he meets again in season five but did he ever have a boyfriend in high school?,is mel lindsy first love ?.we know of the brian tearcher but did he have any experiences with any body else in high school before that prom night at babylon,was his experience with the teacher one time thing? we dont know answers to this questions we can only gues."he practically lived at Michael's"i dont see brian living at micheals he will rudher take his fathers beating than be depedent on someone am sure he was there a lot though.as to when he stated the one time policy as you say "I assume"we have no way of knowing and in the current discussion going on know in this forum someone made a very valid point that what brian say is not always necessarily what he does you have to take brian proclamationd with a grain of solt if he really have no repeats why did justin feel the need to add that to their rules.now notice am talking about interest whether or not brian acted on that interest is debate for another day,a good case can be made that brian was interested in justin in season one but had justin given up and moved on in the begining ,its likely brian would have just let him go,brian and justin happen despite of brian not because of brian.not going on a date does not prove anything the only date we know he went to with justin was to the baths.deb says he got under the wire not that he is the only one that ever did,we know that brian has broken some hearts the idea that several guys have fallen in love with him from just one fuck doest seam true .the most telling scene for me is where brian is trying for that job in ny in season one do you doubt that he would have went and left justin behind if he did get that job?because i think he would have gone,even though we know he already loved justin by then.last i love this couple, that is not to say i dont like pocking holes in the biggest love story ever told.

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Re: I don't agree
(Anonymous)
2010-04-26 11:27 pm UTC (link)

I see what you're saying here, but your points about Emmett or Ted having boyfriends before doesn't seem relevant to me because they are not the main character. Also, we know that Melanie was not Lindsay's first love; she mentions a girl named Rebecca Tucci who she dated in college, and there's also Brian. I honestly doubt that Brian had a boyfriend in high school, considering he probably wasn't out at that time, and not out to his parents, so I doubt he'd have a boyfriend. Also, he spent most of his time with Michael, so he probably had little time or interest in having a boyfriend. About the rules, Brian has made exceptions where he has had sex with the same person twice (such as Kip), that doesn't mean he's romantically interested in them. He probably thought they were especially good or maybe he didn't know he had done them before (except for Kip, since he mentions that Kip wasn't "very good" LOL). And please elaborate on the supposedly telling New York scene, since I don't know what that has to do with anything. Also the Brian breaking hearts thing you mentioned after your "getting under the wire" statement. Do you think Brian had a love interest before Justin? I think it's unlikely, but I'd like to know what you think.

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	Re: I don't agree (Anonymous) 2010-04-26 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	Also, keep in mind that this is my speculation. I'm not saying you're wrong or right. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: I don't agree

anyusa0030
2010-04-27 12:16 am UTC (link)

a said this above its worth repeating "now notice am talking about interest whether or not brian acted on that interest is debate for another day,"yess its unlikely brian had a boyfriend before justin,and acording to brian in season 3 he still claiming he never had aboyfriend .interest does not equal boyfriend.thanks for the lindsy remind i seam to forget a lot of things when it comes to the girls.you can not dismiss ted and emmet the show is about a group of friend not brian and justin,i think that the producers were sketchy on puposse they give us tid bites and we are to fill the blanks .the scene at the loft when justin says dont go,and brian says among many things that he will not look back and that justin should not either.deb tells jen that everyone want brian he fucks them break their hearts and they wise up,and she predict that she will break justin heart too,none of brian friends other than micheals is suprise that brian is sleeping with justin more than once and he even micheal is more jelouse than suprise so i dont think this was the only time brian was with someone for more than one fuck.brian telling kip he was not that good waqs just brian being an ass hole.last i know this is your oppinion that you are entitled to and one that i love earing so dont worry about me and dont if you ahve something more to say i would love to hear it ,i actually love it when people desagree with me they force me to consider different point of views and sometimes they even change my mind.

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Re: I don't agree
(Anonymous)
2010-04-27 12:22 am UTC (link)

I agree with you on the last point :). Friendly arguments are a favorite of mine. It's fun to see two different opinions on a situation. I have a friend who I argue with constantly, and I actually love it. It's pretty entertaining.

Don't worry, I know the show is NOT just about B/J, they're definitely the most interesting but what I was saying was not that Ted and Emmett aren't important, but that they're not AS important. Regarding Brian's rules, he doesn't seem to have a strict rule of not having sex with people more than once until season two. In season one, he doesn't usually do it but he's known to sleep with the same person more than once on occasion.

Also, I like hearing your opinion and others. It makes me think about my own, even though I rarely change my mind, it's interesting to know what other people think of certain situations.

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Re: I don't agree

lilacwine10
2010-04-27 04:05 pm UTC (link)

As I said before, lots of things in QAF are open to interpretation e.g. the ending for Brian and Justin is ambiguous. You can argue that they've broken up forever ("it's only time"), or that they never broke up (Brian kept the rings) or that they broke up but only temporarily (while Justin built his career in NYC).

And some things aren't open to interpretation such as : Brian was *never* romantically attached to another person before Justin. This is canon, as they say. You can't argue that he was, or might have been, when there is absolutely no evidence of it. Otherwise we might as well argue something as silly as : Brian was possibly a vampire in his spare time.

I won't be able to list all the evidence against the idea that Brian might once have had romantic feelings for someone else aside from Justin, but here is some of it:

- Brian says in 102: "I believe in fvck1ng, not love".
- There are at least two scenes where Brian tells Michael and others that men are not monogamous by nature. That they aren't meant to be with one other person for life. You can be friends with someone for life (Michael), but you can't be romantically attached to someone for life (or even briefly attached, in Brian's case).
- He does not "do repeats". He does occasionally, but that isn't because he has sentimental feelings towards those tricks. It's only as they were particularly good in bed. Brian doesn't even have the least interest in being friends with any of his tricks. No f-buddies for him.
- Brian despises "imitation heteosexuals", "Stepford fags", etc. Part of that is his distaste for "romantic love".
- Though he loved Justin in S2, he refused to make the slightest romantic gesture towards him, despite the fact that that is what Justin craved. Brian despises Ethan, partly as he took Justin away from him, but also as Ethan is the epitomy of romantic phoniness.
- He takes 4 and a half years to tell Justin he loves him. It took a bombing for him to do it.
- Brian denies his love for Justin to others and himself over and over again, but we can see that he loves Justin by the things he does for him, and the way he treats Justin sexually compared to *every* trick over the whole five years.

You might argue: "maybe he fell in love with someone and had a bad experience" - wrong. As I say, you may as well argue that Brian is a vampire in his spare time, has a loving relationship with his mother off screen, has developed a cure for the common cold, etc. We hear about Brian's sexual experiences while growing up, and how he found a second home with Debbie and Michael, but there are no vaguely romantic tales.

The bad experience Brian had was being brought up by parents who hated one another. He saw romantic love as fakery as a result.

As Lindsey says somewhere, Justin was the one person to put up with his bs. As Debbie says: Justin was the one "who got under the wire". Justin thawed out his cold, cold heart" (I can't remember the exact words from the comic). This is one of the major themes in QAF. I can't accept your point of view at all anyusa0030.

Normally I'm open to others' POVs, and as I say many things in QAF can be understood in more than one way, but this isn't really one of them !

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Re: I don't agree

anyusa0030
2010-04-27 07:37 pm UTC (link)

- Brian says in 102: "I believe in fvck1ng, not love".- Brian says in 102: "I believe in fvck1ng, not love".he did love justin so again what he says and what he does are not the same.
- There are at least two scenes where Brian tells Michael and others that men are not monogamous by nature.he was not monogamous with justin does that change the fact that he liked him?. That they aren't meant to be with one other person for life. You can be friends with someone for life (Michael), but you can't be romantically attached to someone for life (or even briefly attached, in Brian's case).he did get attached .
- He does not "do repeats". He does occasionally, but that isn't because he has sentimental feelings towards those tricks. It's only as they were particularly good in bed. Brian doesn't even have the least interest in being friends with any of his tricks. No f-buddies for him.justin is more a fuck buddy in the begining than enything else,they are not a couple,brian is not his boyfriend they have no commitment to each other yess brian likes him but they are friend who are having sex,not only does brian say they are not a couple but he treats him as such.
- Brian despises "imitation heteosexuals", "Stepford fags", etc. Part of that is his distaste for "romantic love".so?.
- Though he loved Justin in S2, he refused to make the slightest romantic gesture towards him, despite the fact that that is what Justin craved. Brian despises Ethan, partly as he took Justin away from him, but also as Ethan is the epitomy of romantic phoniness.my point exactly just because brian likes somebody does not mean he is going to date them ,be their boyfriend or even let them be part of his life.i never said brian had a boyfriend before justin read my last three responses have reaped this point.
- He takes 4 and a half years to tell Justin he loves him. It took a bombing for him to do it.here is more it took a bat to the head for brian to give an inch ,it took cancer for him to give more inch and even after everything they had been through for four years brian still choose to let justin go in season five and it took a bomb yess for brian in my opinion to give up the life he wants in order to give justin the life he wants.
- Brian denies his love for Justin to others and himself over and over again, but we can see that he loves Justin by the things he does for him, and the way he treats Justin sexually compared to *every* trick over the whole five years.

- give me your thought on this ,deb says to jen "they all want brian but the good news is no one can have him ,he fucks them ,breaks their hearts and they wise up "

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	Re: I don't agree (Anonymous) 2010-04-27 09:49 pm UTC (link)
	This doesn't really support your view that Brian could have possibly been romantically interested in. I don't really know where you're going with this argument, so I think we should just agree to disagree. I don't believe it's possible but you do. (Reply to this) (Parent)