InsaneJournal

Tweak says, "I'm not an ambi-turner!"

Mods of Kiseki RPG (kiseki_mods) wrote in kiseki_rpg,
@ 2011-10-13 22:20:00

Current mood:	productive
Entry tags:	kiseki's hmd, meme, mod post, ooc meme

Kiseki's HMD
Because there's only so much we can address in the regular HMD, we're gonna try out this! With the new AC period coming up, I'm sure many people will soon be swamped in threads, so it seems more appropriate to put this up now while we'll have more time to debate on things.

How does this work? Well, rather than giving crit or commenting to the players or characters, we'll discuss the game mechanics and such! I'll make a few general topics to give us a start, but you can add your own.

You can post anonymously or not, but remember the idea is to keep things civil.

Topics:

- Kiseki as a setting
- Events (& replays)
- Logs
- AC
- HMD
- Apps
- Lists
- Other concerns

(Read comments) - (Post a new comment)

	AC kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 01:25 am UTC (link)
	(Reply to this) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2011-10-14 02:42 am UTC (link)

First, just to mention since this was recent, I feel like the date change for the AC was a good call for organization if nothing else. Otherwise, I don't really have a lot of criticism about the system in general, really. I like that it's flexible which helps a lot, even if it spans over two months since the game can be prone to dry spells for long times.

One thing I know came up on an AC before, but it would be nice if we had the option of posting WIP threads until the AC officially closes? I understand the reasoning behind entries that don't count after the AC post itself goes up. But since the post IS open for a week, having the chance to finish threads properly for that week until the post is closed might be helpful for those who need a few comments or need to get a hold of someone to help with those comments.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kiseki_mods
2011-10-14 02:49 am UTC (link)

The thing about that is that the post's open for a week merely to allow people who might not be around to post in it? Since the actual periods cover two whole months, with the current requirements it seems it's more than enough time to gather the needed comments.

Then again it might be easier for everyone to do it the way you suggested, anon, so I think if enough people vote for it I can change it.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2011-10-14 04:21 pm UTC (link)

I think the issue might be that actually seeing the AC up is what gives people a sense of urgency to post and/or finish threads, but as the previous anon says, by then it's too late. At the same time I think two months is a more than reasonable time to pass, an extra week isn't really needed. Maybe a mod post a few days before the actual AC post goes up to remind people to complete the requirements on time could work?

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	Agreed on both accounts, haha. But ehn if we'll have a week for possible finished threads, I'd rather just make it so that anything up to the closing up of the AC is valid - and if you post right away, anything new counts for the next period. It seems much more simple that way. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2011-10-14 04:32 pm UTC (link)
	You're right about that. I would suggest posting the AC one week in advance, but that also seems needlessly complicated if it's just to avoid adding an extra week to the two months. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 04:35 pm UTC (link)
	HUH no that actually... works better, I think. 'Cause then whoever has the AC requirements done already can post and move on, and for anyone who doesn't, the actual time limit would be the same as always. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2011-10-14 04:41 pm UTC (link)
	I thought it'd end up being confusing if people were posting last-minute entries after the AC post had gone up, but if it works, then I'm glad :D (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	Well, it's always something you can make a little note about and such, right? Either way we'd have a tiny period in which the current and next AC overlap slightly, and this one seems like the least confusing option to me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: AC
(Anonymous)
2011-10-14 07:19 am UTC (link)

I have a hard time figuring out if the AC is working, half the time. The AC requirements are so, so small (not necessarily a bad thing) and yet so many characters are just not around for those two months and then a few days before the AC post goes up, people are posting up entries. And once those entries are up, they get tagged a bit but otherwise just kind of peter out. Which is okay for the person who posted it because, hurray, they're passing!... but for anyone who might need that thread in order to pass, it can be really disconcerting and frustrating.

And in general I find it annoying just because it just presents as a half-assed thing thrown up in order to pass AC again. I've noticed this for the last few ACs. And it leaves me wondering if the AC is even working and doing what it's supposed to if so many people at the end of the two months are still struggling to get tags in when, really, 2 to 4 threads should not be that difficult to do.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kiseki_mods
2011-10-14 02:21 pm UTC (link)

Hrmmmm yeah this is a kind of difficult point. 'Cause the AC should be a breeze for half the charas around (and it's shown when a good portion of the game can pass with double, triple, or more of the actual requirements). But it's done to fit the characters who are the least sociable and involved (namely some of the X people, the "villains" and such).

(I'd like to clarify, however, that it's not a "pass" if an entry has comments that've been ignored. So if someone posts something the week before AC, and leaves it like that entirely without a real reason, I won't count it in as valid.)

If I make the requirements a little more strict to maybe encourage people to be around more, it might just end up becoming a problem for those characters. And people could still half-ass something last minute in order to pass, anyway.

Although - and I thought of this as I was typing this reply, wtf - what if I make it so that the requirements expand over the two months? Like, ask for the AC evidence every two months, sure, and keep the current limits, but make it so that, say, you need to have half of the basic number of threads during one month, and the other half on the other?

Thoughts? Ways in which this would horribly backfire? Other possible options?

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2011-10-14 04:35 pm UTC (link)

what if I make it so that the requirements expand over the two months? Like, ask for the AC evidence every two months, sure, and keep the current limits, but make it so that, say, you need to have half of the basic number of threads during one month, and the other half on the other?

I don't really like the sound of this in that it doesn't feel like it would work too well but... probably only because it almost pushes the requirements to the point where the AC may as well be monthly? Which might also be an option to consider, though I realize not everyone would be totally up for it.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I kinda agree, in the end it'd sort of be the same - the only difference would be that the requirements for each individual month would be REALLY tiny, when if I changed AC altogether to make it monthly I'd still ask for a similar amount of threads as right now. Still, there's... gotta be some way to work around these issues. (Reply to this) (Parent)

enigmatics
2011-10-14 04:37 pm UTC (link)

_{'sup guys, watch me sneak in here.}

The only issue I could potentially see with that is that if you ask for half one month and then the second half the next, you've basically implemented monthly AC's, only with half the requirement of the original. (Unless I'm completely misinterpreting this? It happens a lot.) Granted, that's an option, to have more frequent ACs but with lower requirements but I'm not sure that's what people necessarily want?

I know the AC is meant to be lenient to allow people to deal with life and still be able to enjoy playing here, but sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have a more frequent AC with lower requirements, if it is keeping the game active that you're worried about. I know it can make things a lot more difficult, but with a two-month AC, it kind of gives you an entire month to slack. While I don't generally do this, I know that I have, in the past, made AC during the first week for Marina, and then kind of slacked the rest of the month in terms of tagging. I really do like the fact that the AC is so lenient and that it gives you two months, but I feel like in terms of boosting game activity, two months may not be the best idea.

If the issue is tagging onto plenty of posts but then having those threads peter out, would it help to poke each other and maybe ask about continuing a thread? You all seem really open to backtagging here (and many of you are speed demons) so it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to get a thread up to 'passing' level. I know that the issue with this is that a lot of you also have a craaaapton of threads, and adding more to the pile is really the last thing you want. Another issues with this is the half-assing and also last-minute-ness (as JL brought up).

All of this is just my two cents and how I view things personally. And I would like to say that seeing as how I was in the game for all of two months, I really don't know what the specific issues Kiseki has with AC, so I may be going down the wrong track with all of these. In which case, ignore me! |D

Sorry for the tl;dr OTL

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2011-10-14 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	/anon directly above hiveminds with Val ♥ (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kiseki_mods 2011-10-14 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	Ahaha hey there! Thanks for the input, it really helps to have different opinions on this matter o3obbbb I. kinda agree with this comment entirely, and I personally wouldn't mind a monthly AC at all. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	littlepuppylove 2011-10-14 06:36 pm UTC (link)
	I think Val brings up really good points. And I, for one, wouldn't mind monthly ACs, either. I think Val has a point in that it'll help boost activity without, hopefully, being super overwhelming for the quieter characters. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sayaka_sensei 2011-10-14 06:53 pm UTC (link)
	+1 on all points! (Reply to this) (Parent)

(Anonymous)
2011-10-14 08:33 pm UTC (link)

I think that even with the less sociable/villainous characters even 2 to 4 threads shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of ways to get activity in, even for people who are quiet. We have accidental recording availabilities, we have logs (and if that thread is anything to go by, we'll have more of those in the future) in which they can post and see if others respond, and even the villains/quiet people have enough CR with people that they should be able to tag. I honestly think that leaving so much activity/posting requirements to the last minute (barring hiatuses or muse issues, which are completely understandable) is something that just shouldn't happen, if players are willing to commit to the tasks.

Some of the people in this thread have mentioned a possible monthly AC rather than bi-monthly, and I think that's definitely something worth exploring.

(Also thank you for that clarification. I hadn't realized there was more to it than just posting entries.)

I don't think making things more strict will help, given the game's activity. It's hard to tell if the small AC requirements means less pressure for activity from people, or if it's less activity from people that dictates the small AC requirements. There's definitely a balance that needs to be worked out, I think. Increasing the AC and making it stricter will just make it harder and more stressful for people and they therefore won't be having fun, as they should.

I think the other anon pointed out why your last idea would probably become too overly confusing and unhelpful, so I'll just say "second" to what he/she said.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

(Read comments) -