Youka Nitta
Questions about Sawa and families 
31st-Jul-2009 12:19 pm
In my Kikuchi/Onozuka series, I made Kikuchi's father a retired detective. Recently, in this comment (*swats away Sawa and crossover bunnies. I swear...*) on one of my fics, [info]bronze_ribbons reminded me that Sawa used to be a detective--giving me more plot bunnies to add to the gazillion already clamoring for attention! >_<

So anyway, I decided to go back to the Sawa flashback story "Mother's Rouge" in Book 4, to see if I could figure out where Sawa had been stationed, and whether he and Kikuchi-Papa could have crossed paths in their work. (I haven't really explained it fully in the series yet, but Kikuchi senior was a detective in Division One of the Metropolitan Police Department--more commonly translated in English as the Tokyo Police Department, since it serves the entire Tokyo metropolis. Going by my experience of watching numerous detective J-dramas, Division One seems to be the elite Homicide division, although they sometimes investigate other high-profile crimes like kidnappings. Division Two handles financial crimes, narcotics, weapons trafficking, and assaults, and in TV-land, there is sometimes a friendly or not-so-friendly rivalry between the two Divisions. There are also local precincts in the various wards of Tokyo, staffed by their own detectives.)

Going back to the manga...it seems that Sawa is a detective at one of the local precincts, the Shinjuku Police Station, and was investigating a transvestite bar on a narcotics charge. One of his coworkers refers to him as "a former bureaucrat" who was "tossed down into our district" after his uncle murdered his aunt. So it sounds like he was probably in the adminstrative branch of the MPD, probably on a fast-track career path, but was demoted when his family was touched by a scandal--which would be standard practice in TV-land, where the top brass are usually more concerned with covering their own asses than looking out for the welfare of the officers serving under them. (Just saying that's the stereotypical fictional potrayal and not necessarily how it is in real life, of course.)

So it's unlikely, but not impossible that Sawa and Kikuchi's father would have known each other. In TV shows, Division One sometimes assists and supervises the local stations when they handle a murder investigation, so if Sawa had been involved with the investigation of a local murder in Shinjuku, Kikuchi senior could have been sent to assist.

What really surprised me is how young Sawa is--only twenty-three at the time of the flashback. I'm not sure how quickly officers achieve detective rank in the Japanese police force, but that seems a little young to be a detective--and that's actually supposed to be a step down for him! Maybe he was an elite Tokyo University graduate, maybe with family or social connections who were able to secure him a good position in the administrative branch of the MPD right after graduation?

His face looks youthful, but due to his air of sophistication, I had assumed that he was older--in his early to mid-thirties, perhaps. But Yukihito appears to be in his early teens in "Mother's Rouge"--about middle school age, I think, old enough for Sawa to feel the first stirrings of attractions to him. And since Yukihito still seems to be in high school in Book 7 ("Six Nine"), no more than a few years could have passed between the flashback and that story. Let's say, a maximum of five, assuming that Yukihito was 13 in the flashback, and is an 18-year-old high school senior in "Six Nine," which means that Sawa can't be older than 28. (Assuming Yukihito wasn't held back in school due to the trauma of losing his mother and being unable to speak, but even taking that into consideration, I think Sawa would be 30 at most.)

Which means that Sawa is actually a peer of Katou and Iwaki, age-wise--near Iwaki's age, or somewhere in the middle between the two, I think. I was just curious, was I the only one who overestimated Sawa's age, or did you guys assume that he was in his 20s at the start of the manga? The mistakes he makes in his relationship with Yukihito expose his youth, perhaps, or could just be chalked up to the fact that he hasn't had any other serious relationships? (Although he has had casual sex, with the sexy tattooed guy in "Six Nine," and probably with other men in the past. And damn the plot bunnies, but I've been wondering about the tattooed guy and how he got into that profession, and someday I'd like to write a fic about him--or better yet, read one that someone else wrote! ~_^)

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At about the same time, I was trying to flesh out Asano's character for my series, and I suddenly started wondering what his family was like. When he engineered the sleepover scandal with Iwaki, he didn't seem to be concerned that his family would read about him being embroiled in a gay love triangle in the tabloids. So does he think that his family won't care, or does he not care what they think? Or does he think his family's possible embarrassment and disapproval of him is worth the reward of becoming famous? What kind of family would have created such an ambitious, scheming, ruthless young man?

Asano could have a perfectly nice, ordinary family and still be a jerk, of course, but looking back at the manga, families seem to play a very important role in how the various characters were formed: Iwaki comes from a very conservative family that doesn't express its affection very well, and Iwaki himself is defensive and often shuts out the people who care about him. Katou's family is more liberal and accepting, which seems to have contributed to Katou's warm, outgoing personality and his ability to take a male lover without any shame. And Sawa, having been rejected by his narrow-minded family, appears to have rebelled against them and transformed himself into Nagisa. But the family influences still linger: he tries to protect Yukihito from the "shame" of being gay by taking on the aggressive "male" role, so that Yukihito can still claim the escape route of merely being the "submissive." (Which really doesn't make sense to me, but that does seem to be the standard yaoi trope, that being the uke is somehow not as bad, because taking the "passive" role absolves one of responsibility.)

Incidentally, I find it a bit skeevy that Sawa is sleeping with Yukihito while the latter is still in high school, although I overlook it in the manga since it's made clear that Yukihito loves Sawa and sincerely wants to be with him. When he first appeared in the manga, I assumed that Yukihito was older--still young, but (in US terms at least) a legal adult, somewhere in the 18-20 year old range. Normally, I can only handle the older-younger man type romances when the older man waits until the younger man is a legal adult before consumating the relationship, as in "You and Harujion" by Keiko Kinoshita. (Actually, there is no consumation in that story, only a kiss, since the older character makes it clear that nothing's going to happen until the kid, who is 17 at the time of the story, graduates from college, even though the kid is eager to begin the relationship. Despite the lack of hot smex, it is a really lovely and tender story.)

Getting back to Asano's family, I think there are a number of possibliites: cold, calculating types who turned out a son as ambitious as they are, or indulgent, wealthy parents who never denied Asano anything as a child, so now he believes that he's entitled to anything he wants, no matter the cost to anyone else. Or maybe he is so ambitious because he comes from a poor family, and that makes him even more determined to become a success, even if he has to hurt other people along the way. Although I think it becomes apparent in the Fuyu no Semi chapters that he's not really as ruthless as he would like to think he is, otherwise Iwaki's harsh words wouldn't bother him so much.

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On a final, completely unrelated note, I had the weirdest dream the other night about Kikuchi! I think maybe it was a combination of working too hard (work has been hellish recently) and working on my current K/O fic. In the dream, Kikuchi was a vampire, and a jealous lover or maybe just an admirer (the details are a bit fuzzy now, but the guy was not Onozuka) tried to expose his identity after overhearing snippets of a conversation and mistakenly believing that Kikuchi was involved with someone else. He tried to expose Kikuchi's true identity with a photo taken of Kikuchi decades ago, still looking as young as he is in the present--that part, I think, came from the Petshop of Horrors manga, where the detective Leon finds what looks like a photo of the mysterious Count D, only it was taken during the 1940s. Maybe the vampire part came about because I had been recently discussing the Twilight series with a friend, and I've been thinking of getting the True Blood dvd set, so maybe vampires just happened to be on my mind and my subconscious picked up on it.

When I woke up, my first thought was, "Damn, now I've got to have Kikuchi star in a movie where he plays a vampire!" ^_^

ETA 8/6/09: The Metropolitian Police Department has an informational page in English here.
Comments 
1st-Aug-2009 02:37 am
Yeah, I'd definitely seen Sawa as older than Iwaki. Even though he does look unnaturally young without the makeup, when Iwaki and Katou go visit him & Y at home. I think part of it has to do with how established he seems - he owns a sizable house (although, when he and Yuki first move in together, I guess they're in a apartment? I seem to remember a flashback panel for that, but am not going to look right this moment), is a well-known author before the series even begins, can afford to open his own restaurant-dungeon, is wearing fabulous clothes... So, man, I dunno. I guess he could have overachieved a lot within a short time, and it certainly would make the S/Y less skeevy in some respects (not a huge fan of underage either) -- but, on the other hand, there's a part of me that thinks that storyline would be much more gut-punch effective if Sawa _is_ significantly older, in terms of how emotionally immature he can be in such contrast to his polished, cosmpolitan persona.

Hmm. Must ponder this some more when I'm less foggy. So, so tempting to dismiss the "23" as a typo, but that would be wussing out, wouldn't it. Gah.

(Sorry to hear work has been Not Fun - hope it gets better soon. I do have to say that if you start crossing Haru and Twilight, I cannot guarantee that I will have the nerve to read it. ;-) )
1st-Aug-2009 03:05 am
Thanks, work has been really busy, but I'll be taking some vacation time in the latter half of August, and I'm counting down the days!

Ah, you articulate very well what I was thinking about Sawa but hadn't put together all the little details--his success and the house do make him seem much older than he seems to be in canon.

About the possibility of "23" being a typo--I'm working off the BeBeautiful English release. Maybe if someone (such as Snapelike, if you happen to see this? ^_^) has the tankoban, they could double-check that detail?

I promise, I will never write a Haru/Twilight crossover! I watched the movie on dvd, just to see how bad it was...and it was pretty bad. The first half was just plain boring, but once the vampire plot really got going, it became laughably bad, so at least it was sort of amusing. But I'm definitely glad that I didn't waste $10 seeing that in the theater!

Plus, I think that Kikuchi would kill me if I wrote him as a sparkly vampire! (Silly me, I had thought the "sparkly vampire" thing was a sarcastic fan metaphor, but no, they really do sparkle!)
1st-Aug-2009 03:38 am
Silly me, I had thought the "sparkly vampire" thing was a sarcastic fan metaphor, but no, they really do sparkle

Oh, me too. Still haven't partaken of books or movie yet (haven't heard anything that makes me want to), but there was a conversation at Terminus last year that went something like:


marginaliana: And all the sparkly crap...
ribbons: You're kidding me. You're not kidding me? Oh my fucking God.


About that "23" - I wouldn't put it past BB to have read the characters in the wrong direction. Then again, if this was Sanami Matoh, I'd simply chalk it up to Author Not Working Out Her Damn Timeline. (As much as I love FAKE, it is so freaking sloppy...)

(Hm, I seem to have hit extra-snarky way too early tonight. Time for ibuprofen and bed, methinks.)

I do love all this knowledge/research you're sharing, even though it's going to make it all the more intimidating trying to overcome my ignorance (of both Japanese AND American law enforcement protocols) in order to continue the Sawa/FAKE crossover. Oh, my head.
1st-Aug-2009 04:09 am
I double-checked the Love&Voice translation, and they also listed Sawa's age as 23. It also notes--although BeBeautiful doesn't--that Yukihito was 13 when his mother was killed. So it seems like my guess is pretty accurate. Unless Nitta-sensei messed up the timeline, it seems that Sawa became rich and famous in a remarkably short time.

Also, the manga does show that Sawa and Yukihito moved into a modest apartment after Sawa quit the police department and left home.
1st-Aug-2009 04:21 am
...well, it's certainly not unheard of (massive fame+sudden wealth within short timeframe). I have to keep reminding myself that Nadal's only 23 (and to not hate him for being able to afford three or four homes) and Federer only 27. Was reading just earlier today how Federer was already winning $9000+ per tournament his first year as a pro (age 17).

Granted, publishing works on a different scale/schedule in RL, but I can suspend my disbelief for Haru if I have to. I'm just grumpy because my brain is resistant to changing its mind on such things. (And that sentence I just wrote was a stinker, so I'm truly off to bed in a sec.)
1st-Aug-2009 04:38 pm
Definitely thought Sawa was considerably older - I had assumed (without any evidence except perhaps that he was a successful author) that he was in his mid-thirties to early forties.

About the vampire dream - outing someone as a vampire could be a metaphor for outing a gay in a homophobic society. But this can't apply here - after all he's already been outed as gay!
2nd-Aug-2009 04:37 am
From what Bronze Ribbons said, it seems like we all assumed Sawa was older, due to his success. I think we had discussed before about how it was difficult to tell many of the characters' ages--Yoshizumi looks like he could be Katou's age, but addresses Iwaki as if he's older (using the "kun" honorific).

About the vampire dream - outing someone as a vampire could be a metaphor for outing a gay in a homophobic society. But this can't apply here - after all he's already been outed as gay!

Wow, that's so obvious, but it never occurred to me until you mentioned it! ^_^ Even though Kikuchi has already been outed, I've had him and Onozuka discussing being closeted vs. being out a lot, so it could have been on my mind.

Actually, that sounds like the sort of movie my OC director Kitamura would make--using a horror/fantasy theme as a metaphor for social injustice. Maybe I will really will have Kikuchi star in a vampire movie in a later fic! ;-)
4th-Aug-2009 03:37 pm
One thing we're not considering - Maybe Sawa didn't go past "high school" or even middle school. He might have left school and started as a rookie cop, had some dazzling collars and became a detective, then had a few more dazzling cases and been rewarded with management within, say, 5 years.

If he'd *just* been demoted when we see him at 23, it's possible. Then you can imagine he began work on novels right away after leaving the force and had some immediate success -- he might have even written about a few of those dazzling cases to start. And it seems to me that Nitta writes Sawa as highly prolific. Bringing in my "Gravitation" reading as well (Yuki is another successful novelist), I believe Sawa could knock out two or even three books a year.

So, if we're meeting him in the regular Haru timeline at 28, we already know he's a well-known, successful novelist, who financed his own successful movie and then had a hit TV show. Oh, yes, all these money streams could easily give him a house and restaurant, etc. at 28. Sawa might seem immature at times, but it seems obvious that money is not one thing he's immature about. He invests, and the only way he seems flashy is his wardrobe, and we're not given the impression that he is a clothes horse, so he probably buys quality over quantity there.

I think in terms of Japanese society and codes of honour, it might have been harder for Iwaki to approach a younger man for help with his house loan. However, because Sawa is so responsible with money and has been an employer of Iwaki in the past, I think Iwaki was able to see past the age difference to ask him for the help. In fact, Iwaki might be having the same problem that we are - forgetting that Sawa is younger because Sawa seems so together on the surface.

Hope I'm not full of it!

love, lore
5th-Aug-2009 04:22 am
You are brilliant--I hadn't thought of that! ^_^ It really does make sense that he would have entered the police force early and worked his way up through the ranks, considering how hard he works to be "manly," rather than aiming for a bureaucratic position. I also hadn't thought about the possibility that he might have made a high profile arrest that won him an early promotion--maybe he just happened to be in the right place at the right time to stop a bank robber or catch a murderer. It happens on TV all the time, if not necessarily in RL, so it could happen in a manga, too!

I'm not sure that Iwaki would even know how old Sawa is, unless he researched the info. He probably would have read the book that the Embracing Love movie and TV series were based on, but if his age isn't mentioned in the book jacket bio or in news articles, then Iwaki might just assume he's older, like all of us. ^_^
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