Youka Nitta
More thoughts on Boku no Koe 
20th-Jun-2009 04:27 pm
After first reading Boku, I made this post in which I said that I found Jouchi really irritating. Now that I'm getting ready for the RPG, I went back to read the manga more closely, and I think I have to revise my opinion slightly.

I was particularly struck by the scene between Jouchi and Kazama in Chapter 3 of Book 2, where Jouchi has been running all over town trying to find Kazama, and finally finds him at Jouchi's own apartment. He gets mad at Kazama for testing him, and Kazama responds that both in their relationship and in work, he's been trying to do whatever the other party asks of him, because he needs to be needed and fears being rejected. And then Jouchi actually does everything right, imho--he comforts Kazama and reassures Kazama how much he wants him, while sharing some good career advice that Kurokawa had given him. I was very impressed, thinking that he's not so bad after all--and then he kind of ruins the moment by jumping Kazama, and Kazama complains that he only thinks about sex all the time! ^_^ He's similiar to Katou in that they're both horndogs, although I think that Jouchi lets his hormones rule him more than Katou does. If he could get that part of himself under control, I think that things would go a lot more smoothly between him and Kazama. Also like Katou, I think that he often expresses his affection through sex, which can give their lovers the mistaken impression that all they care about is sex.

But Jouchi's basically a nice and well-meaning guy, and his faults are just that he's a bit dense and immature, which hopefully will improve with time. And I think that Kazama is really lucky that Jouchi is not a malicious guy, because an abusive personality could really take advantage of Kazama's desperate desire to please. Look how seriously he takes Jouchi's half-joking request (from earlier) that he perform oral sex. He doesn't seem entirely comfortable with it, but he wants to please his lover, so he goes ahead with it--although I think his discomfort is more due to inexperience and being afraid that he won't do it "right" rather than disliking the idea. But a nasty personality could totally mess with him and emotionally blackmail him into doing things that he really doesn't want to do, just because he's so insecure and needy. Mochimune, for example, could break him with barely any effort, although I don't think that Mochi is cruel for the sake of being cruel, just ruthless in pursuit of his artistic vision.

(And obviously, I don't meant to tell Lore how to play Jouchi and Kaza in the game--I know that you may have your own, different interpretation of them. But re-reading that scene really made me see both of them in a different light, and I was thinking, "Wow, how did I miss that the first time around?" I think that I was so impatient to get to the Hosaka/Yumi scenes that I didn't pay as much attention as I should've to the other pair.)

And I was also trying to figure out Yaogi: he's dating Miyuki, but seems totally uninterested in her during the scene together in his room. He's ignoring her while she talks to him, not even looking at her, but playing with his phone instead. Maybe for him, it's just about sex and he doesn't really care about her, or he's deliberately ignoring her because he thinks she's playing games with him by trying to make him jealous (by talking about her ex)? Or he did like her at first but is bored with her now? From the way he talks with Jouchi on the subway, he doesn't seem like a very romantic guy--when Jouchi complains that his "girlfriend" won't sleep with him, Yaogi tells him that he should just find another girl.

Or...Yagoi doesn't really like Miyuki for herself, but targeted her because she's Jouchi's ex, as a way to get to Jouchi, whether due to feelings of attraction or rivalry for Jouchi, or both? He claims that he didn't know that Miyuki was Jouchi's ex, but he's a pretty sharp guy, and I think that he might be lying. Anyway, food for thought as I get ready for the game...
Comments 
20th-Jun-2009 10:33 pm
Interesting that you're seeing Jouchi as less irritating than you thought - I really need to re-read Boku no Koe, because I had to read your first paragraph twice, so incredulous that there might be something positive about Jouchi, or a better way to see him. But part of the problem is that I also rushed through the Jouchi/Kazama sections (except for perving at Kazama) to get to the Hosaka/Yumi stuff. And now I'm thinking that I must have missed a lot.
I got the impression (and this may be way wrong) that Yaogi is interested in the men, and was treating Miyuki as a convenient fuck. Not sure what made me think that... it's been too long since I read it.

Is it totally against RP etiquette for me to ask who is playing each character?
20th-Jun-2009 11:30 pm
Well, I think I got a really bad impression of Jouchi from the slightly dub-con first sex scene with Kazama, which really turned me off, although it was pretty mild in comparison with the more hardcore non-con I've seen in other yaoi titles. But in that one scene I mentioned, he was very caring (until the hormones took over), and it made me think of him a little better. I do think that he still needs to do some growing up, though.

Yeah, I am definitely getting the vibe that Yaogi is more interested in the men, and specifically Jouchi, and doesn't really care about Miyuki. Which in turn makes me feel kind of sorry for her--dumped by the first boyfriend for a guy, and then the second one is (maybe) just using her.

I don't think it's a secret who's playing whom in the game. ^_^ I'm set to play Iwaki, Katou, and Yaogi--which is why I'm trying to get in Yaogi's head. And I've been trying to see Jouchi in a more unbiased light because I thought Katou might see a bit of his younger self in Jouchi, and feel a kind of fellowship with him, and maybe give him some relationship advice. Although it actually turns out that Jouchi is 27, according the character profiles, and I'd originally had him pegged as early twenties. Kaza is also the same age, but feels much younger, but in his case, that's natural, since he hasn't had much experience socializing.

lore is playing Jouchi and Kazama (and I think Kokubu?), and Snapelike is playing Yumi and Hosaka and the manager Tanahashi. Although someone else may be joining the game, so there could be a bit of shuffling with the minor characters.
20th-Jun-2009 11:43 pm
That first dub-con scene with Jouchi and Kazama was awful. I know that there's a different cultural context that I just don't get, but I have such difficulty with the frequency of dub-con in manga.
I thought the boys were younger too - early twenties or so. But I guess they've both got 'young' attitudes in some ways - Jouchi with his bright-eyed enthusiasm (funny that I like Katou, but not Jouchi), and Kaza with his shyness/reserve.

And yes, poor Miyuki. I don't know if she's a doormat kind of individual or if I just see her in that way because the two men she's been involved with haven't been that interested in her! Which sucks, either way. The only clear picture I have of her outside that dynamic is when she tells Jouchi she can't come visit him while he's sick. I found that a little horifying/perplexing. I mean, pragmatically it made sense, but still...

Is it usual for the one individual to play a couple in RPs? I notice that lore has Jouchi/Kaza, snapelike has Yumi/Hosaka and you have Iwaki/Katou.
20th-Jun-2009 11:46 pm
I haven't really RPGed before, but I think we're playing couples mainly for convience's sake, since there aren't enough players to go around.
21st-Jun-2009 01:34 am
"Is it usual for the one individual to play a couple in RPs? I notice that lore has Jouchi/Kaza, snapelike has Yumi/Hosaka and you have Iwaki/Katou."

It's a question of convenience as Geri says. Some of the game will be played out as short fics, i.e. the interaction between the couples in private (the hot stuff ;0). Due to our differences in time, it will make things easier. But usually it is not the case, and wouldn't have been, had we had players enough. But as usual, when something is announced to the YN-fen, nothing happens unless we're doing it ourselves. /bitter Snapelike, who's somewhat tired of trying to include 5,000 YN members over at LJ with little outcome.

Luckily we might have another player coming up, which is absolutely perfect so, again as Geri says, there might be some swapping of characters.
21st-Jun-2009 05:56 am
Glad you have found another player. Sad that you're frustrated with lack of involvement. Hope it all goes well.
20th-Jun-2009 11:38 pm
Oh, and the tip-off to Yaogi's behavior is that when they're out drinking, he really seems to notice Jouchi's concern when Yumi and Hosaka mention Kazama having problems with his voice, and the way that Jouchi immediately runs off to Kaza after that. And when Yaogi and Jouchi and Kazama are all together, he seems to watch the other two men pretty closely. And towards the end of the series, Yaogi notices when Kaza calls after Wataru when they're about to go their separate ways. Depending on how you look at it, he could be gathering information to use against a rival, or he could be interested in Jouchi or Kazama or both.
20th-Jun-2009 11:45 pm
Ah, that's what is was.
Interesting to analyze his motives - I assumed it was sexual interest, rather than information gathering. Intriguing!
21st-Jun-2009 01:29 am
To me, Jouchi and Kazama is so Harry/Draco-ish in their ways and in their relationship. Gryffindor/Slytherin dynamics; Jouchi's insensitivity and the cold Kazama who's really sensitive on the inside... I still don't like any of them, but I pity Kazama because he's so... broken.

One positive aspect about Jouchi is that he seems to be able to support Kazama when he feels unloved: it happens several times that Jouchi says precisely the right thing to make Kazama feel better.

I agree totally that Kazama in Mochimune's hands would be an utter disaster, and now I need to explore something in that direction. /bunny farm info

As for Miyki... she chose Jouchi because he was an upcoming seiyuu, and seems more interested in dating fame than an actual person. Her insensitive comments put me off, and as I see it, she got what she deserved, what with being a superficial cunt. That her behaviour turned around and bit her in the arse is just karma.
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