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Rumors of Snape’s Unfairness….

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Before the first potion class, Ron tells Harry that supposedly Snape threats Gryffindors unfair. True, just a rumor. But a rumor which gets confirmed again and again in the book. And no amond of reinterpreting will make Snape a perfect teacher.


I agree with marionros that Harry was a terrible student and predisposed to read any impartial, professional attempt at imposing pedagogical discipline on him as “unfair” and proof of personal bias against Harry. I don’t agree that there were NO lapses from professional decorum on Snape’s part, but much of what Harry perceives as injustice evaporates upon close examination.

I’ll address below the probable source of the “rumor” that Snape treats Gryffindors unfairly.

But first, where, exactly, is this “rumor” “confirmed”? Much less time and again?



Honestly, if a teacher walks in at the tail end of a probable altercation to observe one group apparently behaving itself now (making faces at their enemies safely behind the teacher’s back), while the second group screams cusswords into the teacher’s face, it does NOT require hideously unprofessional bias on the teacher’s part to punish group 2 and not group 1 for their observed behavior.

Indeed, it would require overwhelming bias not to.

We don’t usually see Slytherins and Gryffindors behave the same under Snape’s eyes. The Slytherins are usually overtly obedient as long as they are under Snape’s direct observation, and they almost always address their professor respectfully rather than argue with him, scream curses in his face, or question his teaching. (The one observed deviation from that norm is Draco in sixth year—in a strictly private [he thought] conversation.) Harry and the Gryffindors… well, to put it charitably, we can’t ever praise their observed behavior as that of model students. In ANY of their classes, not just Snape’s.

So we don’t have too many direct points of comparison.

However, there are a few. We are explicitly shown several cases where we see Snape dealing with a Slytherin and a Gryffindor in parallel situations. On those occasions, Harry interprets Snape as showing bias when he treats both cases the same. Moreover, behavior that Harry considers “favoritism” when seen shown by Snape to Slytherins, Harry EXPECTS other teachers to extend to him.

The best example is the one I discussed at length in my essay “Mr. Filch has Asked: Discipline at Hogwarts.” Harry considers Snape grossly unfair, and the reader is strongly encouraged to agree, when, rivalry running high before the big Slytherin-Gryffindor game, Snape refuses to punish Slytherins for alleged assaults on Gryffindors that are not witnessed by authority figures.


[Snape] was also turning a deaf ear to the many reports of Slytherin attempts to hex Gryffindor players in the corridors. When Alicia Spinnet turned up in the hospital with her eyebrows growing so thick and fast that they obscured her vision and obstructed her mouth, Snape insisted that the must have attempted a Hair-Thickening Charm on herself and refused to listen to the fourteen eyewitnesses who insisted that they had seen the Slytherin Keeper, Miles Bletchley, hit her from behind with a jinx while she worked in the library. (OotP: The Lion and the Serpent)


Yet it goes unremarked that Minerva also apparently “refused to listen to” the witnesses—though we know from HBP that if the victim’s head of house catches an aggressor in the act, that professor can assign punishment (subject to the other house head’s ratification).

I argued that this incident demonstrates that the headmaster (our dear Albus) did not allow his staff to issue punishments on hearsay or circumstantial evidence (however compelling): that Albus demanded that his staff witness either the misdeed itself or a full confession in order to punish the offender.

And we see Snape apparently bound by that code WRT Harry in several incidents. In PoA when Snape caught Harry, muddy-handed and sweaty with a fresh bag of Zonko’s goodies, in a corridor Snape already had reason to suspect might contain an opening to a secret passage to Hogsmeade. Snape tried hard to get Harry to confess to breaking bounds and attacking Draco, Vince, and Greg by the Shrieking Shack, but he failed. And, having failed to induce Harry and his confederate Ron to confess, Snape did NOTHING to punish them.

Earlier, in CoS, Snape identified Harry as the one behind an explosion that injured several of his Slytherin children; but Harry didn’t confess, and Snape did NOTHING to punish the culprit. In the altercation in GoF, Snape did not punish Harry for using magic in the corridor, which he did not witness; only for shouting cusswords in Snape’s face, which he did.

How unfair did Harry (and does the reader) think it in PoA that when Harry and Ron persisted in their unblushing lies to Snape, the professor “refused to listen to” his truthful Slytherin eyewitnesses who gave Snape full details of Harry’s transgressions?

If letting off Bletchley without punishment (for an attack no authority could attest to) demonstrates Snape’s partiality for Slytherin, letting off Harry for similar offenses must demonstrate Snape’s partiality for Gryffindor.

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For another example of how Harry (and the reader) take Snape to be biased against Gryffindors when he treats them the same as his Slytherins, look at Snape’s first DADA class in HBP. Hermione there was the first to master a nonverbal shield: “a feat that would surely have earned her twenty points for Gryffindor from any reasonable teacher, thought Harry bitterly, but which Snape ignored.”

Yet Harry did not consider it “bitterly unreasonable” that Snape didn’t award twenty points to Slytherin for Draco’s perfectly stewed slugs first year, did he? We never, in canon, saw Snape giving points to anyone for anything. So failing to give them to Hermione is not unfair. Now, if Snape were going around awarding twenty points to Slytherin every time Crabbe passed his teacher a phial (as Sprout once did for Harry’s handing her a watering pot), THAT would demonstrate that Snape’s points-awarding might be biased.

But he does not.

We know that Pomona will award unearned points to vent her private feelings.

If Severus ever succumbed to that temptation, we didn’t ever see it. And one would rather expect Harry to note such an event (with bitter invective about Snape’s unfairness).

So it seems to be the case that Snape just doesn’t hand out points. To anyone for anything. (Whitehound points out that to people from the north of England, as Severus is suggested to be, “Not bad” is the absolute height of fulsome praise, and silence means “Good job”…..) Which makes “slighting” Hermione not unreasonable bias, but treating her the same as he does his own house members.

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Then there’s the Potions class in CoS where Draco annoyed Harry and Ron by flicking puffer-fish eyes at them, and Harry reflected “if they retaliated they would get detention faster than you could say, ‘Unfair.’” And sure enough, a year later, Ron “flung a large, slippery crocodile heart at Malfoy, which hit him in the face and caused Snape to take fifty points from Gryffindor.” (POA 10)

Clearly this substantiates the rumor that Snape treats his Slytherins and his Gryffindors differently!

Except—there was nothing to show that Snape actually saw the puffer-eye byplay and was turning a deliberate blind eye to Draco’s misbehavior. It’s Harry’s hypothesis that if he and Ron retaliated and Snape saw all three misbehaving in the same way, he’d punish only the Gryffindors. But there’s no evidential support for that hypothesis—for example, Harry didn’t recall a past incident when such a thing happened in Snape’s class. He just assumed Snape would behave like that, and assumed as a corollary that Snape saw and condoned Draco’s wrong-doing.

Except—on several occasions (the jeering at Hermione’s teeth and the Potter Stinks badges in GoF come immediately to mind), Slytherins are explicitly noted by JKR as making absolutely sure that Snape CAN’T SEE THEM before they start to misbehave. This strongly suggests that they expect that if caught, they would be punished. By Snape. So lack of punishment more strongly demonstrates that Slytherins were good (and possibly experienced!) at not getting caught than that Snape was deliberately overlooking their malfeasance.

And wasn’t there at least one incident in which someone flicking something (a firecracker) into an enemy’s cauldron caused an explosion and potions spill that injured half the class (not THEIR half, of course)? And Snape KNEW who had to have been responsible (and had physical evidence confirming it when Hermione turned up half-cat from botched Polyjuice from the ingredients stolen from his private stores that day)—but not having managed to catch the criminal in the act or induce a confession, he did NOTHING to punish the miscreant?

In fact, Harry lobbed that firecracker into Greg’s cauldron two paragraphs—two—after Harry and the narrative voice assured us that Snape was being grotesquely unfair in not punishing Draco for flicking puffer-fish eyes at Harry and Ron!

So if we must take Snape’s not punishing Draco for flicking puffer-fish eyes at Harry and Ron as proof of Snape’s unprofessional partiality for Slytherins and Draco, we must equally take his not punishing the Trio for an explosion, multiple-injury assault, and theft as proof of his gross partiality in Harry and Gryffindor’s favor.

(Which, indeed, if we had any data points outside of Harry’s class, might be a supportable contention. But it’s not one I’ve ever seen a Potter fan make, and it would certainly have made Harry faint to consider it. But in canon, Snape lets Harry get away with assaults on his fellow students without expelling him…! Multiple times. Up to near-manslaughter, a death only barely averted by Snape’s own extreme speed in reacting and skill at healing. And Harry’s own head of house said that Snape let Harry off very lightly for that last attack…. Would Snape have let a random unfavored student off with a mere few detentions for almost killing a fellow student? Oh wait, that’s right, Sirius was let off with the same for almost killing Severus, so apparently the precedent under Headmaster Albus is firm: ALMOST kill someone, a third party intervenes to save the victim through no doing of the almost-killer, no problem! We’ll give the almost-killer a few detentions and pat hir on the shoulder—better luck next time.)

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Now consider detentions. We see Snape giving detentions to Gryffindors six times in six years (versus McGonagall’s eight to her own house and six to Slytherin): to Ron (POA), for overtly criticizing Snape’s teaching; to Neville (GoF), for his sixth cauldron-melting; to Harry and Ron (GoF), for screaming curses in his face; to Harry (HBP), for insolence (“You don’t need to call me sir”) and again for almost killing Draco.

Note that McGonagall and Snape each gave six detentions to the rival house.

But in HBP Harry finds out by accident that Crabbe and Goyle are serving detention—for slacking in Snape’s class. Which we know Harry has done repeatedly (and we know his teacher has known it) without earning a like punishment.

If anything, that limited data suggests that Snape is HARDER on his Slytherins for the most part (at least in regards to detentions). A chronically-underperforming Gryffindor must be openly insolent or cause a serious accident to earn a detention; a slacking Slytherin is pulled up sharply for not turning in his homework.

Now, holding one group to higher standards than another IS a form of favoritism—but I guarantee it’s not the form of favoritism that Harry considers Snape guilty of.

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Finally, consider the issue of Snape’s punishment for students missing his class. In PoA, when Draco came late into Potions class when he was finally released from the hospital wing after being mauled by Buckbeak, Harry thought it extremely unfair that Snape didn’t punish Draco for missing part of class.

Malfoy didn’t reappear in classes until late on Thursday morning … halfway through double Potions. He swaggered into the dungeon, his right arm covered in bandages and bound up in a sling….

“How is it, Draco?” simpered Pansy Parkinson. “Does it hurt much?”

“Yeah,” said Malfoy, putting on a brave sort of grimace. But Harry saw him wink at Crabbe and Goyle when Pansy had looked away.

“Settle down, settle down,” said Professor Snape idly.

Harry and Ron scowled at each other. Snape wouldn’t have said “settle down” if they’d walked in late, he’d have given them detention. But Malfoy had always been able to get away with anything in Snape’s classes; Snape was head of Slytherin House, and generally favored his own students above all others.



A few weeks later, Harry spent so long talking with the Quidditch captain between classes that he was ten minutes late for DADA. He burst in saying, “Sorry I’m late, Professor Lupin, I—”

But it wasn’t Professor Lupin who looked up at him from the teacher’s desk, it was Snape.

“This lesson began ten minutes ago, Potter, so I think we’ll make it ten points from Gryffindor. Sit down.”

But Harry didn’t move.

“Where’s Professor Lupin?” he said.

“He says he is feeling too ill to teach today,” said Snape with a twisted smile. “I believe I told you to sit down?”

But Harry stayed where he was.

“What’s wrong with him?”

“Nothing life-threatening,” he said, looking as though he wished it were. “Five more points from Gryffindor, and if I have to ask you to sit down again, it will be fifty.”

Harry walked slowly to his seat and sat down. Snape looked around at the class. “As I was saying before Potter interrupted….”



Point one regarding Harry—one doesn’t burst in with excuses on one’s lips unless one expects the excuses to do some good. Harry apparently believed that if Professor Lupin knew that Harry had been detained by Wood giving him tips for winning for Gryffindor tomorrow, Gryffindor-favoring Lupin would let Harry off with little or no punishment.

The exact same thing Harry considered gross favoritism from Snape with Draco.

Furthermore, Draco’s tardiness was indeed fully justified, while Harry’s was not (except to someone who cared more for a Gryffindor Quidditch victory than for mere academics).

Harry knew precisely why Draco had not been in class on time, and he knew, moreover, that Snape knew it too. Draco had only just been released from Pomfrey’s care. What kind of teacher would punish any student, of any house, for showing up in class the moment he’s released from medical care (but not before)? What student would expect a teacher to punish for tardiness in such circumstances? Draco’s coming straight to class as soon as he’s cleared medically is commendable, not deplorable. But Harry seriously thinks that Snape shows himself biased by not punishing Draco for having been too injured to attend class before?

Bangs head against wall to clear it. Harry: you really think a fair teacher would punish a student for having been held out of class by Madam Pomfrey? Are you, Harry, telling us that every time you missed classes because of an injury, you experienced every teacher—or every fair teacher, which might leave out McGonagall—taking points from Gryffindor and issuing you detentions because you’d missed their classes? Really? That’s been happening all along, every time you’ve suffered an injury from Quidditch or from saving the school from Voldemort, only you’ve just been too noble and self-effacing to mention to the reader how your heroic deeds and sports exploits have earned you punishment instead of praise?

No, sorry, I don’t buy it. Draco had in no way earned any punishment, by any fair educator, by turning up after class had started with that particular excuse.

However, Draco’s late and swannish arrival did interrupt the normal flow of the class.
Any late (especially if loud, announced, and prominent!) arrival interrupts the class.

Which Snape did note, and address.

Both Draco and Harry interrupted their respective classes, coming in late as they did. And in BOTH cases, Snape gave the disruptive element fair warning to stop the disruption before he proceeded to inflict any punishment.

In fact, Harry got two warnings to Draco’s one.

“Settle down, settle down,” said Snape to Draco and the Slytherins; “Sit down…. I believe I told you to sit down?” to Harry.

Draco and the Slytherins immediately complied. Harry “didn’t move” and “stayed where he was” and rudely demanded that his substitute teacher answer his challenges until Snape finally went ahead and took five points and threatened to take more if Harry didn’t obey.

(And even then Jo notes for us that Harry walked “slowly” to his seat. Aggressive, much?)

Finally, in the next book we do see another instance where a student missed part of Snape’s Potions class because the student was kept out by another adult authority.

Colin was sent to drag Harry out of Snape’s class for the Triwizard photo op. Though clearly displeased (and in fact rather obviously considering the reason wholly inadequate), Snape took not a single point from Gryffindor, nor did he assign Harry detention for blatantly missing half of his class.

Obviously, Snape’s utter failure to punish Harry for skipping half of his class (at another authority’s instigation) MUST show that “[Potter] had always been able to get away with anything in Snape’s classes; Snape … generally favored… [Gryffindors] above all others”!

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So if you want to persuade me that Snape DID treat his house with partiality unbecoming in a teacher, don’t tell me that Ron said so and that Harry thought so. Show me canon incidents where we KNOW that Snape witnessed the same behavior from Slytherins and other students, and treated them unequally.

Because what canon shows is that marionros is quite correct: in instances where we see Snape treat Gryffindors and Slytherins the same, Harry whings on at length about how Snape is clearly favoring his own house and hates Harry and the Gryffs.

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Finally, let’s return to the issue of that initial “rumor” of Snape’s unfairness.

Does such a rumor exist, among the general student population?

It’s unquestionable that Harry believed Snape to be unfair in general and to hate Harry personally. And it’s canon that Ron Weasley, a few days into his first school term, told Harry, “Snape’s Head of Slytherin House. They say he always favors them—we’ll be able to see if it’s true.”

And also that “I’ve heard Snape can turn very nasty.”

But who’s the “they” who “say” this, given Ron’s background?

Ron’s Hufflepuff neighbor Cedric says so, when he comes over to play pickup Quidditch with the Weasleys every Saturday during the holidays (as we see him do throughout Harry’s many long stays at the Burrow)?

Ravenclaw Luna says her daddy says so, when she’s over on her numerous play dates with Ginny?

Ron has read this in the Prophet, which we see him following as assiduously in first year as Hermione later does in OotP?

Er, right.

How about, none of the above?

Ron was homeschooled and the Weasley children apparently didn’t associate regularly even with their closest WW neighbors. Ron’s source of information about the WW is his family. His inside information about Hogwarts comes from his older brothers.

Charlie’s in Romania by the time Ron starts Hogwarts, and Bill’s off in Africa, but Ron still has three other brothers to fill him in about the school.

And, er, which of them does Ron seem to pay attention to? However misguidedly?

Remind me again, what was the inside information that Ron passed on to Harry about how the school Sorted new students? “Some sort of test, I think. Fred said it hurts a lot, but I think he was joking.”

Right. Ron repeats the Twins’ (often deliberate) misinformation. In this case, he’s parroting the Twins’ slanders about Snape.

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Now, Percy’s take on Snape, when asked directly by Harry the very first night, was that Snape would rather teach Defense than Potions and that Snape knows a lot about the Dark Arts. Interestingly, Percy is here promulgating the very myth that Dumbledore and Snape have concocted between them as part of Snape’s cover.

Notice, however, that Percy has no warnings for the little firstie that Snape favors his own house. No cautions that Harry should watch himself around Snape because Snape is always looking for an excuse to take points from Gryffindor. Not even any prefectly advice to Harry to watch his p’s & q’s in Potions class because the Potions master is exceptionally strict.

Which is really an odd omission; surely Percy the Perfect Prefect wants Gryffindor to win the House Cup if anyone does? If Snape were known for docking points excessively (whether from houses other than his own because Slytherin’s Head is biased, or because the Potions master is too severe to tolerate any hijinks in his class) shouldn’t Percy tell Harry so?

Now, Percy does go on to tell the firsties that Dumbledore’s “joke” about the third-floor corridor being lethal is serious, that the forest is full of dangerous beasts, and that Peeves is a menace. So he does take seriously his duty to warn the newbies of known hazards.

Apparently the potions master isn’t one of the known hazards facing Gryffindor firsties. Apparently Percy’s impression of Snape is that he’s fair enough, and not unduly harsh. It would follow that Percy must feel that any Gryffindors who kept having points taken by Snape or been issued multiple detentions must have richly earned such punishments.

Such as, say, Percy’s twin brothers who like to mess about, who’d rather pull pranks than do schoolwork, and who aren’t overly concerned about hurting other children in pursuit of their version of “fun.”

Frankly, the thought of the Twins in a potions class is utterly terrifying, even under Snape’s closest supervision. The Twins are bright, curious, and willing, indeed eager, to inflict pain, humiliation, and injury on others: for being “enemies” (giving Dudley potentially-lethal toffee, hissing little Malcolm’s sorting into Slytherin, hexing Draco from behind, stuffing Montague into a broken Vanishing Cabinet which could have killed him), for “a laugh” (attacking and maybe killing that salamander, giving Neville the Canary Creams) or just in the interests of experimentation (testing potions on eleven-year-olds).

Harry, in his second year, injured half his class in an explosion to create a diversion for Hermione to steal from the Potions master in what they both sincerely thought was a good cause. I can easily visualize the Twins doing the same for “fun.”

I can quite believe that the Twins’ experience of Snape might well have been that the Potions master “can turn very nasty.”

Oh, I do agree that Snape can.

Thank you, Professor!

(Melts in relief as the cavalry thunders over the hill to deal summarily with the class tormentors...)

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“Mum! We weren’t doing anything bad, not really! It was just a laugh. That git just picks on us because we’re Gryffindors. Everyone knows that Snape favors his own house….”

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So, yes, I think we know exactly where Ron picked up that particular rumor.

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However, whether or not Snape EVER had any general reputation for favoring his house or coming down hard on Gryffindors in general, I think he did acquire an almost immediate reputation for taking Harry Potter (The Boy Who Lived, Voldemort’s Vanquisher, AKA James Potter’s lookalike son) in disfavor and coming down hard on him.

And I think he deliberately cultivated it, as part of his cover as a spy.

“Professor Snape,” after all, was a persona. Very seldom in seven books did we see Severus when he wasn’t wearing that mask. So whatever impression Snape made on Harry—and on Dumbledore’s supporters’ sons like Ron—and on former DE’s sons like Draco—and on Ministry employees’ children—was for the most part carefully calculated (with Dumbledore’s full approval) to serve Dumbledore’s ends.

Dumbledore’s man, “Professor Snape,” (whispered among some of the remaining free Death Eaters to have shared their allegiance) seemed to loathe Potter’s Son/Voldemort’s Vanquisher? Well, of course, his personal history with James Potter would explain that….

We have seen Severus apparently out of control a few times (the end of PoA, finding Harry frisking in the Pensieve, the end of HBP, some of the Prince’s memories…).

But the moment when Snape cemented his reputation of hating Harry Potter with an irrational passion by turning to the child and snapping, “You—Potter—why didn’t you tell him not to add the quills? Thought he’d make you look good if he got it wrong, did you? That’s another point you’ve lost for Gryffindor” was not among those.

That was an act. At Dumbledore's behest, or with Dumbledore's consent.

The real question is, why did Dumbledore insist that it be generally believed that Severus Snape hated Harry Potter?
  • Both Draco and Harry interrupted their respective classes, coming in late as they did. And in BOTH cases, Snape gave the disruptive element fair warning to stop the disruption before he proceeded to inflict any punishment. In fact, Harry got two warnings to Draco’s one.

    “Settle down, settle down,” said Snape to Draco and the Slytherins; “Sit down…. I believe I told you to sit down?” to Harry.

    Draco and the Slytherins immediately complied. Harry “didn’t move” and “stayed where he was” and rudely demanded that his substitute teacher answer his challenges until Snape finally went ahead and took five points and threatened to take more if Harry didn’t obey.


    Not true - he takes ten points off the top when Harry walks in ('...ten minutes ago, so I think we'll make it ten points from Gryffindor"), and then starts telling him to sit down. The five points he takes a couple sentences later are five more points. Not that I think this is horribly unfair of him to do, just saying that your parallel isn't quite there.

    I have wondered exactly who the "they" saying Severus favors the Slytherins must be, and come to the same conclusion, that it had to be his family. So I enjoyed the discussion about his various siblings' takes on Professor Snape. But though the twins are the likely last link in the chain I don't know that it would have to be only them and their own (probable) wrongdoing. The older brothers are away now, but that wasn't always the case. And it could be friends of Fred and George, i.e., them repeating to Ron things they heard about rather than directly experienced or witnessed.

    I don't think I can agree with the final point that it was all an act, though. I will believe that some of that is at work later on, but despite Dumbledore's assurances in 1981 that the Dark Lord would rise again, Severus was not being an active spy in 1991.
    • But, Shyfoxling, Dumbledore knew an agent of Voldemort's was after the philosopher's stone in 1991! He enlisted Severus, among others, to set traps to guard it. And I accept Red Hen's/jodel's hypothesis that he was aware Quirrell was that agent. So Severus would have needed to put on an act - yes, that early.

      If Dumbledore did not know this, and did not warn his young potions master, then he was even more careless and thoughtless than we have surmised.

      But you're quite right about the points difference. Severus did take points from Harry right away, while he didn't from Draco.
    • Albus would want Severus to work on his cover from day 1, no matter how far in the future Tom's return might be. No point in having to cover up inconsistencies. The fact that 4 sons of DEs are taking Potions with Harry is an additional factor. But I agree with Mary that Albus knew Quirrell was after the Stone for Tom since before Harry's 11th birthday. From the moment Quirrell showed up with a personality transplant and the mysterious 'sources' in Albania reported Tom was no longer there.
    • Taking points from Harry

      Valid point, sf, I should have continued my contrast all the way before I went into my comparison. I suppose I thought it was obvious that Professor Snape knew the moment Harry burst through that door that Harry, unlike Draco, had no legitimate reason to be coming late to class.

      But then, I've worked as a substitute teacher. (A rather poor one--I was pants at classroom management.)

      Everything about Harry's arrival screams that he has no valid reason for being late, but that he hopes the teacher will let him off lightly anyhow. He's been running, he "dashes" in with apologies on his lips--all signs that he hopes his alacrity now will make up for his losing track of time (or whatever his excuse is) earlier. (Though in my schools, running in the hall would have aggravated the offense of tardiness.)

      Had he been detained by the headmaster, had he been helping Madam Hooch, had he had any legitiate reason for being late, he'd have walked in calmly (probably with either a note or an escort confirming his valid reason).

      Any experienced teacher could tell at a glance that Harry might give an excuse for being late (I forgot my homework and had to go all the way to Gryffindor Tower to get it!), but he had no acceptable reason.

      Presumably you think Professor Snape should have asked for Harry's excuse before taking the points?

      With an inexperienced teacher, that can turn into a spirited and widely-ranging class debate on exactly what punishment is deserved for thie partiicular mitigating factor of the offense of tardiness. The rival merits of mercy and fairness, the exact determination of what would be fair in this case, can be passionately debated by thirteen-year-olds. Particularly if the alternative is math.

      Or, I assume, DADA.

      So yes, Professor Snape punished Harry for being tardy for no valid reason, he didn't punish Draco for being tardy for a perfectly legiitimate (and universally known) reason, but he went on from there to give them both warnings to stop disrupitng the class.
    • "All an act"? - [info]terri_testing
  • not only the twins

    (Anonymous)
    IIRC, Bill Weasley, who was a student in Snape's first years of employment, is also mentioned as disliking Snape.

    duj
  • Also, neither Arthur nor Molly Weasley seem concerned about Snape's ability to be fair to their children.

    Thanks for posting this!
  • I don't think any of the teachers are actually "fair" and they are all biased in favor of their own houses. Is it fair that Neville gets extra points added for standing up to his friends, so that Slytherin loses the House Cup in Book One? That's Dumbledore being biased and unfair. That's the reality of Hogwarts. Lupin and McGonagall give way too many points to Gryffindor, while Snape doesn't give many points to any house. Who is more fair?

    Yes, Harry gets alot of detentions, but Minerva gives plenty to Draco as well. We don't know about other teachers, but I always assumed they all gave detentions.

    Here's an example of Snape dealing with similar situations. The reason people like your Anonymous miss the times that SNape is fair is that they focus on the few times when Harry thinks he isn't. You have to really study the whole series and not pick and choose, in my opinion.

    In SS/PS, Draco is making fun of Ron's family and Snape walks up:

    Ron dived at Malfoy just as Snape came up the stairs.
    "WEASLEY!"
    Ron let go of the front of Malfoy's robes.
    "He was provoked, Professor Snape," said Hagrid, sticking his huge hairy face out from behind the tree. "Malfoy was insultin' his family."

    "Be that as it may, fighting is against Hogwarts rules, Hagrid," said Snape silkily. "Five points from Gryffindor, Weasley, and be grateful it isn't more. Move along, all of you."


    Then in Order of the Phoenix, the tables have turned. Draco's father is in prison, and Harry is taunting HIM.

    `The Dementors have left Azkaban,' said Malfoy quietly. `Dad and the others'll be out in no time…'
    `Yeah, I expect they will,' said Harry `Still, at least everyone knows what scumbags they are now =
    Malfoy's hand flew towards his wand, but Harry was too quick for him; he had drawn his own wand before Malfoy's fingers had even entered the pocket of his robes.
    `Potter!'
    The voice rang across the Entrance Hall. Snape had emerged from the staircase leading down to his office and at the sight of him Harry felt a great rush of hatred beyond anything he felt towards Malloy… whatever Dumbledore said, he would never forgive Snape… never…
    `What are you doing, Potter?' said Snape, as coldly as ever, as he strode over to the four of them.
    '1'm trying to decide what curse to use on Malloy, sir,' said Harry fiercely.
    Snape stared at him.
    `Put that wand away at once,' he said curtly. `Ten points from Gryff-'
    Snape looked towards the giant hour-glasses on the walls and gave a sneering smile.
    `Ah. I see there are no longer any points left in the Gryffindor hour-glass to take away. In that case, Potter, we will simply have to -
    `Add some more?'
    Professor McGonagall had just stumped up the stone steps into the castle; she was carrying a tartan carpetbag in one hand and leaning heavily on a walking stick with her other, but otherwise looked quite well.
    `Professor McGonagall!' said Snape, striding forwards. `Out of St Mungo's, I see!'


    Yeah, he really sounds angry that he couldn't take points away, doesn't he? And then we have the following, in which Harry can tell that Snape is not being sincere when he pretends to be shocked over more points for Gryffindor.
    `Right then,' said Professor McGonagall, looking up at the hourglasses on the wall. `Well, I think Potter and his friends ought to have fifty points apiece for alerting the world to the return of YouKnow-Who! What say you, Professor Snape?'
    What?' snapped Snape, though Harry knew he had heard perfectly well. `Oh - well - I suppose…'
    `So that's fifty each for Potter, the two Weasleys, Longbottom and Miss Granger,' said Professor McGanagall, and a shower of rubies fell down into the bottom bulb of Gryffindor's hour-glass as she spoke. `Oh - and fifty for Miss Lovegood, I suppose,' she added, and a number of sapphires fell into Ravenclaw's glass. `Now, you wanted to take ten from Mr Potter, I think, Professor Snape - so there we are…'


  • I'm almost certain that the perception of Snape as more unfair than he really is was part of JKR's plan to make us dislike him with great intensity until the shocking 180 of DH. Take the scene cited above, where Ron loses points for attacking Malfoy. Harry and the casual reader feel that on Snape's watch, Slytherins can provoke Gryffindors with impunity, but the victims better not retaliate. In fact Snape acts perfectly fairly by the unwritten rules of Hogwarts. Ron went for Malfoy in the presence of a teacher, so he gets a slap on the wrist. Malfoy gets off scot free because his provocation was verbal and went unnoticed. But JKR doesn't spell out those rules for the reader. Harry never twigs to them, not even when they work in his favor as with the Honeydukes incident. Readers are left with a kneejerk reaction of "unfair!", since the effect of Snape's action is of punishing the victim. That the Gryffindors' punishment is rarely as undeserved as all that, what with their tendency to escalate conflicts into violence, never dawns on Harry either.

    There's also a sense that Snape speaks neutrally or tolerantly to Slytherins where he'd be curt and hostile to a Gryffindor in the same situation. This on its own is minor enough that any student who complained to Dumbledore about it would be made to feel ridiculous. But it contributes to the general impression of bias. "Settle down, settle down" sounds quite indulgent given that Draco is disrupting Snape's class. Readers assume (possibly correctly) that a Gryffindor would have been ordered to quit showing off.

    Percy probably got on well with Snape. He must have been close to Snape's ideal student: smart, hardworking, respectful and liable to take criticism to heart. I agree that he'd feel any student who got in Snape's bad books would have brought it on themselves, like his appalling brothers (however, he fails to take the Neville types into account).

    Re: why Dumbledore wants it rumored that Snape hates Harry, the only reason I can think of is Snape's standing with Voldemort, who might not approve if he heard Snape had been cosying up to his archenemy. Of course Snape's actual dislike of Harry also suits DD's plans perfectly. He definitely wouldn't want Snape to get attached to Lily's son and maybe kick up a fuss about having him killed.
  • (Anonymous)
    I agree. I'm glad someone has dedicated a lot of thought to this because people can be so unfair towards Snape. Considering where he was working (incompetently run school), with whom he was working (biassed, temperamental, unprofessional teachers) and for whom he was working (exploitive, manipulative headmaster), Snape actually isn't doing so badly. Add the fact that magic is involved in classes and that the students have been told from day 1 that they are special...

    However, I am of the belief that Snape would have probably be better with either a) older students (NEWT and above) or b) research position. Working with younger students when his life had so much stress already was probably not a good idea.

    I don't see much of classroom management policies in the book - more hit and miss. If I was a teacher at Hogwarts... I'd probably end up like Snape as well. (I'd be a cross between martinet and Gandalf.) Last year, I had a class of hormonally-driven students and ended up instituting more rules to keep things in check. Still, we ended up respecting each other and they continue to greet me with sincere friendship. IMO, things like magic or hormones actually call for greater vigilance and if you don't set boundaries or rules, children actually feel unsafe and unloved.

    Well, the only thing I'd quibble at is that conflict resolution skills are abominable in the book and regular disciplinary actions are almost non-existent (perhaps they ARE non-existent). It might be something that Rawling actually doesn't think/care about or doesn't know how to achieve? Perhaps her own experiences as a child colour her work (totally possible). Either way, it makes for a sad statement about school life in general.
  • (Anonymous)
    I have trouble to believe that Snape would really overlook "flashing" badges in his lesson, no matter how careful the Slytherins are. Or Draco imitating a Dementor across the room. There is also the incident in which he punishes Ron for intending to fight, but doesn't even reprimant Draco for the fact that he insulted a fellow student. Or the incident in which he sends Goyle immediatly to the hospital wing, but insults Hermione, who was also hit by a stray hex. Or this scene:

    "'I do feel so sorry,' said Draco Malfoy, one Potions class, 'for all those people who have to stay at Hogwarts for Christmas because they're not wanted at home.'
    He was looking over at Harry as he spoke. Crabbe and Goyle chuckled. Harry, who was measuring out powdered spine of lionfish, ignored them."

    So Snape supposedly isn't able to hear Draco, although he is speaking loud enough to be overheard by Harry? He must be deaf!

    But what really sealed my opinion about Snape as a teacher are two scenes. The first one from Harry's first potion lesson (long before he had any opportunity to be a trouble maker):

    "Things didn't improve for the Gryffindors as the Potions lesson continued. Snape put them all into pairs and set them to mixing up a simple potion to cure boils. He swept around in his long black cloak, watching them weigh dried nettles and crush snake fangs, criticising almost everyone except Malfoy, whom he seemed to like."

    So it's established that some time has passed since the inicial face off between Harry and Snape which ended with Snape taking points. Presumely Harry is quietly working with Ron.

    "He was just telling everyone to look at the perfect way Malfoy had stewed his horned slugs when clouds of acid green smoke and a loud hissing filled the dungeon. Neville had somehow managed to melt Seamus's cauldron into a twisted blob and their potion was seeping across the stone floor, burning holes in people's shoes. Within seconds, the whole class was standing on their stools while Neville, who had been drenched in the potion when the cauldron collapsed, moaned in pain as angry red boils sprang up all over his arms and legs.
    'Idiot boy!' snarled Snape, clearing the spilled potion away with one wave of his wand. 'I suppose you added the porcupine quills before taking the cauldron off the fire?' "

    Really, how much of this explanation is Neville supposed to understand, being in pain? And what's gained by insulting him, he already is punished enough for his mistake.

    "Neville whimpered as boils started to pop up all over his nose.
    'Take him up to the hospital wing,' Snape spat at Seamus. Then he rounded on Harry and Ron, who had been working next to Neville.
    'You -- Potter -- why didn't you tell him not to add the quills?"

    Why should he? First of all, he was working with Ron, not with Neville. Second, he was supposed to watch Draco when the accident happened. There is no reason to accuse Harry of anything at all.

    "Thought he'd make you look good if he got it wrong, did you? That's another point you've lost for Gryffindor.' "

    To get this straight: Snape is accusing Harry of being hinterhanded enough to deliberatly allowing Neville to hurt himself. That is way over the line.

    Even worse is Snape's behaviour towards Neville. Yes, I get he is a bad student. But what Snape does to him is bordering on abuse - the incident with the toad actually IS abuse in my book. Also what he does later on:

    "'Possibly no one's warned you, Lupin, but this class contains Neville Longbottom. I would advise you not to entrust him with anything difficult. Not unless Miss Granger is hissing instructions in his ear.'
    Neville went scarlet. Harry glared at Snape; it was bad enough that he bullied Neville in his own classes, let alone doing it in front of other teachers."

    And Harry is right. Snape has no business to put Neville down publicy. And how is Snape supposed to know how Neville's abilities are in the other subjects?

    So really, it doesn't matter to me how unfair Snape really is or isn't. Those are two instances in which he actively is bullying two of his students, with no reasonable provocation. He is the adult and he misuses his power.

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