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"Being dishonest...'
"It wasn't a lie."
She was definitely dishonest. Whether her description was "a lie" is a bit more debatable as it's not clear that she realised she was dishonest.
"Maybe she still wanted to believe it, because she cared about him."
Clearly she *didn't* care about him. It's explicit canon that she knows he nearly died and her "I heard what happened the other night" indicates that the incident was at least two nights ago and she hasn't discussed it with him. If she cared about him, she'd have wanted to know how he was after his near-death experience, and she'd have wanted to hear *his* side of the story rather than trusting an account that emanated from someone/s who routinely harassed and bullied him (and others).
"I just don't think that whole thing is ... written very well, on reflection."
Sorry, but that defense doesn't hold. There's a lot of HP that isn't written very well, but the story and its interpretation stands or falls on what's written, not what we'd like to see written.
"To be fair to Lily, Severus WAS standing in front of her plainly in one piece."
Alive, yes, and bearing no *visible* scars. That doesn't mean unharmed.
"I surely cannot be the only Snape fan out there who doesn't regard Lily as a bitch."
Of course you're not, but what do you imagine that proves? Each reader interprets the text in relation to their own experience of life, and naturally that leads to many differing explanations. But although Lily's vivacious, pretty and charming, there's very little evidence in the books for her ever being nice, caring or compassionate, and what's there is somewhat disputable, such as Hagrid's statement that "nicer people (than the Potters) yeh couldn't find.." James is an arrogant bully in the text, and if Hagrid's wrong about James can we trust him about Lily?
Petunia remembers Lily as a spoiled pampered princess who played nasty tricks like turning a teacup into a rat. Snape's memories show Lily as strident, judgmental, unforgiving, easily offended, and much given to name-calling, scapegoating and blame-shifting. She can be quite cold to him - look at him with "deep dislike" - even when they *are* best friends. Later, while still nominally friends, she flirts with James while Snape chokes and seems to find his sexual assault amusing. I find in her letter that she was a silly and negligent parent, and when her shade appears in the forest, *encouraging* Harry to go die, she seems even more unsavoury.
To me she seems like a prettier, perkier, more talented Petunia.
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"It wasn't a lie."
She was definitely dishonest. Whether her description was "a lie" is a bit more debatable as it's not clear that she realised she was dishonest.
"Maybe she still wanted to believe it, because she cared about him."
Clearly she *didn't* care about him. It's explicit canon that she knows he nearly died and her "I heard what happened the other night" indicates that the incident was at least two nights ago and she hasn't discussed it with him. If she cared about him, she'd have wanted to know how he was after his near-death experience, and she'd have wanted to hear *his* side of the story rather than trusting an account that emanated from someone/s who routinely harassed and bullied him (and others).
"I just don't think that whole thing is ... written very well, on reflection."
Sorry, but that defense doesn't hold. There's a lot of HP that isn't written very well, but the story and its interpretation stands or falls on what's written, not what we'd like to see written.
"To be fair to Lily, Severus WAS standing in front of her plainly in one piece."
Alive, yes, and bearing no *visible* scars. That doesn't mean unharmed.
"I surely cannot be the only Snape fan out there who doesn't regard Lily as a bitch."
Of course you're not, but what do you imagine that proves? Each reader interprets the text in relation to their own experience of life, and naturally that leads to many differing explanations. But although Lily's vivacious, pretty and charming, there's very little evidence in the books for her ever being nice, caring or compassionate, and what's there is somewhat disputable, such as Hagrid's statement that "nicer people (than the Potters) yeh couldn't find.." James is an arrogant bully in the text, and if Hagrid's wrong about James can we trust him about Lily?
Petunia remembers Lily as a spoiled pampered princess who played nasty tricks like turning a teacup into a rat. Snape's memories show Lily as strident, judgmental, unforgiving, easily offended, and much given to name-calling, scapegoating and blame-shifting. She can be quite cold to him - look at him with "deep dislike" - even when they *are* best friends. Later, while still nominally friends, she flirts with James while Snape chokes and seems to find his sexual assault amusing. I find in her letter that she was a silly and negligent parent, and when her shade appears in the forest, *encouraging* Harry to go die, she seems even more unsavoury.
To me she seems like a prettier, perkier, more talented Petunia.
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"Being dishonest...'
"It wasn't a lie."
She was definitely dishonest. Whether her description was "a lie" is a bit more debatable as it's not clear that she realised she was dishonest.
"Maybe she still wanted to believe it, because she cared about him."
Clearly she *didn't* care about him. It's explicit canon that she knows he nearly died and her "I heard what happened the other night" indicates that the incident was at least two nights ago and she hasn't discussed it with him. If she cared about him, she'd have wanted to know how he was after his near-death experience, and she'd have wanted to hear *his* side of the story rather than trusting an account that emanated from someone/s who routinely harassed and bullied him (and others).
"I just don't think that whole thing is ... written very well, on reflection."
Sorry, but that defense doesn't hold. There's a lot of HP that isn't written very well, but the story and its interpretation stands or falls on what's written, not what we'd like to see written.
"To be fair to Lily, Severus WAS standing in front of her plainly in one piece."
Alive, yes, and bearing no *visible* scars. That doesn't mean unharmed.
"I surely cannot be the only Snape fan out there who doesn't regard Lily as a bitch."
Of course you're not, but what do you imagine that proves? Each reader interprets the text in relation to their own experience of life, and naturally that leads to many differing explanations. But although Lily's vivacious, pretty and charming, there's very little evidence in the books for her ever being nice, caring or compassionate, and what's there is somewhat disputable, such as Hagrid's statement that "nicer people (than the Potters) yeh couldn't find.." James is an arrogant bully in the text, and if Hagrid's wrong about James can we trust him about Lily?
Petunia remembers Lily as a spoiled pampered princess who played nasty tricks like turning a teacup into a rat. Snape's memories show Lily as strident, judgmental, unforgiving, easily offended, and much given to name-calling, scapegoating and blame-shifting. She can be quite cold to him - look at him with "deep dislike" - even when they *are* best friends. Later, while still nominally friends, she flirts with James while Snape chokes and seems to find his sexual assault amusing. I find in her letter that she was a silly and negligent parent, and when her shade appears in the forest, *encouraging* Harry to go die, she seems even more unsavoury.
To me she seems like a prettier, perkier, more talented Petunia.
<<I know how I'd react if a psychopathic murderer threatened me and the life of my baby: I'd be a gibbering wreck.>>
I think that would be a perfectly natural and excusable reaction.
duj
"It wasn't a lie."
She was definitely dishonest. Whether her description was "a lie" is a bit more debatable as it's not clear that she realised she was dishonest.
"Maybe she still wanted to believe it, because she cared about him."
Clearly she *didn't* care about him. It's explicit canon that she knows he nearly died and her "I heard what happened the other night" indicates that the incident was at least two nights ago and she hasn't discussed it with him. If she cared about him, she'd have wanted to know how he was after his near-death experience, and she'd have wanted to hear *his* side of the story rather than trusting an account that emanated from someone/s who routinely harassed and bullied him (and others).
"I just don't think that whole thing is ... written very well, on reflection."
Sorry, but that defense doesn't hold. There's a lot of HP that isn't written very well, but the story and its interpretation stands or falls on what's written, not what we'd like to see written.
"To be fair to Lily, Severus WAS standing in front of her plainly in one piece."
Alive, yes, and bearing no *visible* scars. That doesn't mean unharmed.
"I surely cannot be the only Snape fan out there who doesn't regard Lily as a bitch."
Of course you're not, but what do you imagine that proves? Each reader interprets the text in relation to their own experience of life, and naturally that leads to many differing explanations. But although Lily's vivacious, pretty and charming, there's very little evidence in the books for her ever being nice, caring or compassionate, and what's there is somewhat disputable, such as Hagrid's statement that "nicer people (than the Potters) yeh couldn't find.." James is an arrogant bully in the text, and if Hagrid's wrong about James can we trust him about Lily?
Petunia remembers Lily as a spoiled pampered princess who played nasty tricks like turning a teacup into a rat. Snape's memories show Lily as strident, judgmental, unforgiving, easily offended, and much given to name-calling, scapegoating and blame-shifting. She can be quite cold to him - look at him with "deep dislike" - even when they *are* best friends. Later, while still nominally friends, she flirts with James while Snape chokes and seems to find his sexual assault amusing. I find in her letter that she was a silly and negligent parent, and when her shade appears in the forest, *encouraging* Harry to go die, she seems even more unsavoury.
To me she seems like a prettier, perkier, more talented Petunia.
<<I know how I'd react if a psychopathic murderer threatened me and the life of my baby: I'd be a gibbering wreck.>>
I think that would be a perfectly natural and excusable reaction.
duj