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cyberghostface (cyberghostface) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-22 11:03:00

Entry tags:

char: mary jane watson, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: stan lee

Stan the Man continues to stick it to BND
From today's newspaper strip...

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	xammax 2009-09-22 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	I wonder if he just slaps JQ and gets it over with any time soon. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-22 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	He should beat him with a cane while yelling "EXCELSIOR!" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	erlgirl_9 2009-09-22 03:29 pm UTC (link)
	Best mental picture ever XD (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lbd_nytetrayn 2009-09-23 05:25 am UTC (link)
	Oh yes, indeed. If someone could Photoshop that into an icon somehow, it would be my first on IJ. --LBD "Nytetrayn" (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Your Wish... ex_stig213 2009-09-22 03:31 pm UTC (link)
	...My Command, courtesy of mightygodking.com. One Two Three (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Your Wish... zegim 2009-09-22 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	It never fails to make me laugh. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	comicoz 2009-09-22 03:41 pm UTC (link)
	Would you like your internet wrapped up, or will you be enjoying it here? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	proteus_lives 2009-09-22 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	I'm now picturing Stan Lee bursting through a sky-light during a Marvel editoral meeting shouting, "Excelsior!" TO PUT THE WRONG THINGS RIGHT! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Subtlety was never Stan Lee's strong suit. box_in_the_box 2009-09-22 05:41 pm UTC (link)
	At this point, the only way he could be more blatant in saying "Fuck you" to Joe Quesada would be if he actually said "Fuck you." (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Subtlety was never Stan Lee's strong suit. filkertom 2009-09-22 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	And I'm good with that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_stig213 2009-09-22 03:29 pm UTC (link)
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	greenmask 2009-09-22 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	Canon! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-09-22 09:02 pm UTC (link)
	It's the "NEXT WEEK: ANAL!" that gets me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	interrobamf 2009-09-22 03:34 pm UTC (link)
	And then a brick fell on Mary Jane. (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-09-22 03:52 pm UTC (link)
	I totally agree with this. It is not all that different than being married to a fireman or police. (Reply to this) (Thread)

ashtoreth
2009-09-23 02:22 am UTC (link)

Sure. Especially someone working undercover. Or having a significant other in a high stress high security job like Navy SEALs. High security requires even spouses to avoid talking about even things as simple when their significant other is coming home. Or, worst of all, knowing that you shouldn't ASK whats going on, because you know you shouldn't be told. Anyone thinking military wives have a strong support system while they and their kids get shuffled around countries by faceless officers is kidding themselves and believing too much official hype.

I used to hear stories about guys in certain occupations whose wives didn't even know what they did for a living. Other guys who'd take months of vacation time all at once so they could go do mercernary work for someone other than Uncle Sam. Deciding these are all 'too much' for a marriage to survive is incredibly narrow-minded.

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	arbre_rieur 2009-09-22 05:33 pm UTC (link)
	How is this sticking it to BND? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	beoweasel 2009-09-22 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	Great thing about this? It's not! The Spiderman newspaper cartoon made BND just a bad dream. :D (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	heat16 2009-09-22 08:59 pm UTC (link)
	I thought BND WAS a bad dream? (Reply to this) (Parent)

(Anonymous)
2009-09-22 06:19 pm UTC (link)

Well, in the most recent issue of Amazing Spider-Man (#605), it suggests that the reason why Peter and MJ broke up is due to her being frustrated that he's always putting himself in danger, that it's worse than being a "cop's wife" because at least cops' wives have other cops' wives to talk to and she doesn't, and she believes Peter places more importance and value on being Spider-Man than he does their relationship. By contrast, the newspaper strip, on the other hand, shows that MJ is not at at all upset that he has to be Spider-Man when it inconvenience the time they can spend together, and accepts this as the reality of being married to a superhero. And considering how MJ is supposed to be a far more carefree, happy-go-lucky character, the newspaper strip, for some people, appears far more closer to that characterization than how she was portrayed in the flashback leading to her and Peter's break-up in #605.

--stillanerd

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	ex_darkblade992 2009-09-22 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah because there are no other superheroes that have wives or husbands or other significant others to make that metaphor fall right on it's ass. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	freezer818 2009-09-22 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	Prior to Peter's unmasking, name two that knew MJ knew - let alone knew about her and Peter... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_darkblade992 2009-09-22 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Even before Peter was a member a significant amount of Avengers knew who he was I'm not very good with specific supporting cast members from back then but if nothing else she can talk to Jarvis. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	freezer818 2009-09-23 12:02 am UTC (link)
	To the best of my recollection, prior to Civil War, these are the non-bad guys who canonically knew Peter's secret ID: Johnny Storm Daredevil Black Cat Yeah, that's plenty for MJ to choose from. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_darkblade992 2009-09-23 12:27 am UTC (link)
	At least by House of M all of the New Avengers knew Peter's identity. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	freezer818 2009-09-23 12:34 am UTC (link)
	Which leaves who? Jessica Jones? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_darkblade992 2009-09-23 12:38 am UTC (link)
	It's not perfect but it's a lot better than her statments were making it out to be. It's not going to be easy or really on par with a cop's wife but there are fewer heroes than their are cops. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	filkertom 2009-09-23 01:45 am UTC (link)
	Danny Rand might've known. There was also that one scene in Central Park when Matt, deep in the crazy, was confronted by Luke, Reed, Peter, Dr. Strange, and I think one other person. Hard-pressed to think of anybody else, although you could make a case for both Nick Fury and Loki. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	psychop_rex 2009-09-23 06:08 am UTC (link)
	Uh, to that you can also add the rest of the FF. There was a bit posted here where Johnny discovered Peter's secret identity, which was quickly followed by a nice montage of photographs showing the FF hanging out with Peter, MJ and Aunt May. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-23 12:36 am UTC (link)
	Remember that MJ actually lived in Avengers Tower with Peter and Aunt May before Civil War. (There was a great "I Heart" Marvel special where she talks sports with Tony and Steve.) Plus during the JMS run she had Aunt May--that must have been a huge load off her back, and they could rely on each other. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	freezer818 2009-09-23 12:38 am UTC (link)
	None of which, apparently, happened in the BND-Spideyverse. That was my real point: MJ only had anything resembling a support structure very recently. And OMD wiped that out. Prior to that, MJ has a strong point. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-23 12:41 am UTC (link)
	Which is why it's stupid to go the "Well, MJ had enough of holding onto Peter's secret alone" angle with their estrangement (even though we the readers know what REALLY happened) because MJ having a strong support system is very fresh in the readers' minds. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-09-22 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	Anything that is good in the Spidey universe is sticking it to BND just by existing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	zegim 2009-09-22 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	Well, not BND exactly, just the recent issues where it is revealed that MJ got tired of the stress that is living with a superhero that risks his life in a daily basis. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kusonaga 2009-09-22 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	This hardly seems intentional as a jab to BND. (Reply to this)

cyberghostface
2009-09-22 06:51 pm UTC (link)

In response to some questions as to how this is "sticking it" to BND:

Stan Lee has admitted in a radio interview that he's not crazy about the current status quo. So I just thought all the references to the marriage in the comic (especially with MJ's reactions about being "married to a superhero") is a little "take that" to the general BND mantra of "Marriage bad. No marriage! Drunk sex instead!" That, and Stan did his own take on BND to make Pete single and linear with the comics, and then did the infamous "Just a dream" bit. That itself seemed like a bit of a jab to BND.

I mean, Stan's not going to outwardly go "Fuck you" to Joephisto, but at the very least it shows that he prefers the concept of Pete & MJ married over what Marvel's selling.

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kusonaga
2009-09-22 09:05 pm UTC (link)

I admit the dream sequence might well have been a stab at BND, but as it stands, the daily strip and monthly issue businesses are completely different from one another. There is no real place for the deconstruction of Pete and MJ's relationship and what effect the costume has on them. It's far easier to get away with this kind of simplicity, since you can't actually do much more.

The strip and the comics are two entirely different beasts.

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	kusonaga 2009-09-22 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	Extra: just take the strip up top as an example. It's a one-two-punchline. In a three-panel format. You could hardly conclude it with them bickering. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-22 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	The comic is a serial. If Lee wanted it to end with them bickering, he could have and just continue it the next day. Or save it for Sunday's strip if he felt it was that important. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kusonaga 2009-09-23 06:18 pm UTC (link)
	While possible, I don't see that as Stan's style, personally. I could well be wrong on that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-23 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	He's done it before. A number of his weekly strips end on mid-scene. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kusonaga 2009-09-24 04:15 am UTC (link)
	Oh yes, that I would expect. I referring moreso to leaving the scene on a negative note. I don't imagine MJ and Pete argue much in the daily strip. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kagome654 2009-09-23 01:43 pm UTC (link)
	They may be two different beasts, but you can still use one to comment on the other. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kusonaga 2009-09-23 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that sometimes things are just what they are, no subtext. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	janegray 2009-09-22 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	This makes me happy :D (Reply to this)

	mania21 2009-09-22 08:52 pm UTC (link)
	Stan, you are the Man! You're more than the man, you're TEH MAN!!!! (Reply to this)

	scottyquick 2009-09-22 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	While I think it's really in character and agree with Bluefall's "Good writing is a 'fuck you' to BND", I don't think this is meant as a "SUCK IT, BND!". It's just MJ and Pete being written well. (Reply to this) (Thread)

blakeyrat
2009-09-23 01:43 am UTC (link)

Considering how crummy the newspaper Spider-Man strip has been, well, DURING MY ENTIRE LIFETIME (and I'm not exaggerating), the real amazing thing about the past couple weeks is that someone actually cares enough to work on it.

I mean, we've had actual superhero battles. We've had more than a week without Parker sitting at home in his underwear watching TV (which was approximately 2/3rds of the strip's content before), we haven't had a single instance of Peter being retardedly retarded, or having his powers stop working (someone else in the comments mentioned the several instances where he's been knocked out by a brick in the newspaper strip.)

The news here is *quality*. Not sticking it to BND.

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	ashtoreth 2009-09-23 02:08 am UTC (link)
	It sounds almost like the strip and floppy have traded focuses.. (Reply to this) (Parent)