Man, hang on just a second, I am NOT arguing anything like that! Date rape is absolutely rape, because, as you said, it is FORCED. There's no such thing as consentual sex when one of the people involved is falling-down drunk or unconscious - that is one person inflicting force on another in a foul, indefensible manner. I never said it wasn't forced - date rapists, regular rapists, EVERY type of rapists are the absolute scum of the Earth, and I have never and will never say otherwise. Likewise, what the Chameleon did was similarly wrong - I am not arguing with you about that; it was a horrible, heinous crime. I AGREE with you on the moral side of things. Yes, I am arguing semantics, but I don't see how that makes me a horrible person simply because I'm saying the dictionary says it wasn't rape. For crying out loud, I'm not saying that makes it defensible! It's completely indefensible; it's a horrible, horrible crime! The man's a monster! I've said he was a monster all along, repeatedly and in many ways! Don't make me out to be a scumbag simply because I'm arguing about a word definition - that's all I was arguing about from the beginning; I was never defending the Chameleon or anyone like him in any way, shape or form, and I don't want anyone to think I was. I apologize if I've offended you, but please believe that that was NOT my intent - I was simply playing Devil's Advocate in an argument that turned out to be a lot more explosive than I initially thought. I misjudged the situation; the fault is mine, mea culpa - please don't damn me as a monster for an unintentional slip-up.