wish i knew, but i'm pretty sure it came up once in a discussion with a friend. gonna ask him next time. i see richard and shiva as two sides of the same coin. she's the fury of martial arts, he's the philosopher(something like that was hinted at in o'neils question series). but i think richard would beat her, because he would totally annoy her into making a mistake^^. and the legion owns at leat one timemashine. if karate kid wants to, he can come back and kick ass whenever he wants to.twice!