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colonel_green (colonel_green) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-04 21:17:00

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char: dr. doom/victor von doom, creator: bryan hitch, creator: mark millar, publisher: marvel comics

Doom Country

Preview for Fantastic Four #567, Part II of "The Masters of Doom".

But I suspect the developments here will make people happier:

I'm guessing that the Marquis put him in some kind of fantasy world.

Another demonstration of how, for all Doom's pretensions, he's really just driven by envy for Reed's life. His fantasy world is one where Reed's best friend is his best friend, he's shagging Reed's wife, and he has all his stuff.

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	sherkahn 2009-06-04 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Uhm... WHAT? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	hybrid2 2009-06-04 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	What he said. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	whitecometrx7 2009-06-04 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	did they just kill off johnny and reed? and then proceed to make Doom the utopia maker? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-06-04 07:43 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, OP, you managed to confound and dismay someone who defends Unthinkable! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

sherkahn
2009-06-04 11:56 pm UTC (link)

No, I get it, but I do not understand why after all the build up to a big fight with Doom and his Master, we jump 5 years later. Where something will happen, people will need to return to this moment in time and the Big Bad Who Is Not Doom will be dealt with.

It's like going to watch a porno, you see the girl take her top off, and then you cut to years later and she is now showing home videos of her babies and her happy life. Doesn't make sense. There is no build up, no sense of menace or threat.

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	colonel_green 2009-06-04 08:15 pm UTC (link)
	What don't you get about it? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-06-04 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	Another demonstration of how, for all Doom's pretensions, he's really just driven by envy for Reed's life. His fantasy world is one where Reed's best friend is his best friend, he's shagging Reed's wife, and he has all his stuff. You mean another demonstration that Millar DOES NOT GET Doom? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-06-04 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not really sure that's where Doom's envy lies--it's Richards' esteem in the eyes of the world that he envies.(Of course, if Doom actually accomplished something that benefited someone other than himself, maybe that would be different) Other than that they have few life points in common enough; for instance, Reed was never a hereditary king. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-06-04 08:26 pm UTC (link)
	(Of course, if Doom actually accomplished something that benefited someone other than himself, maybe that would be different) Heh. I've always thought that at the core of Doom's petty egotism was the suppressed knowledge that Reed actually is better than him, something he'll never, ever face up to; hence, this seems like a logical outgrowth of that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

arilou_skiff
2009-06-05 01:44 am UTC (link)

Mmm, I think it's both envy ("Reed is smarter than I am.") guilt ("Deep inside, I know Reed is a better person than I am.") and jealousy ("Everyone loves Reed but no one loves Doom!") all combined with an ego and a pride the size of a planet that keeps him from ever acknowledging any of these facts.

I think coupled with that is that Reed and Doom are both on a totally different level from the rest of humanity, in a sense they are the only humans who can talk to each other without dumbing things down for the benefit of the audience. Whenever Doom and Reed work together you get the feel that there's absolutely NOTHING they couldn't do together. And Doom HATES that, because it means that he isn't perfect alone.

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fungo_squiggly
2009-06-04 07:56 pm UTC (link)

Man, this thing just went from bad to INTENSELY FUNNY.

The dialogue about the war, and no Latverians dying, and Doom single-handedly defeating his "master" and saving the world (and then super duper saving the world) is pure Doom fantasy, alright.

But on the other hand, would Doom's fantasy really involve him venerating the memory of Reed Richards and wondering if Reed would approve of him?

It seems to me that this is actually Doom's personal hell. In this world he will live in Reed's shadow forever... even inheriting Reed's old family and other hand-me-downs... and worst of all, he'll have to love the man for it, and concede that Reed was right all along.

RIIIICHAAAARRRRDS!

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	jlroberson 2009-06-05 06:23 am UTC (link)
	His Reed Richards bendy sex doll in the dungeon is very worn, torn and frayed and no longer has a face. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	filkertom 2009-06-05 12:23 pm UTC (link)
	[brain go splodey] I now want to see a video of JoCo's "Creepy Doll" sung by Doom and also starring that doll.... (Reply to this) (Parent)

moneyless_jew
2009-06-04 08:26 pm UTC (link)

I don't have a problem with it either. Doom is a great character and I love these posts about him, but I never lose sight of the fact that he is a (badass) despot, a terrorist and a villain. He may have a brilliant intellect and some good ideas, he may have been able to make Latveria prosperous by ruling with an iron fist, but like Magneto proved in the 90s, any "nobility" he may have had is destroyed by his own sickness and rage, and his obsession with Reed Richards. Neither Doom nor Magneto is a noble antihero - Magneto may have been close once but Marvel destroyed that almost twenty years ago.

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	proteus_lives 2009-06-04 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	Good! I was hoping it would turn to this direction. (Reply to this)

filkertom
2009-06-04 09:08 pm UTC (link)

Once again, proof that there are two kinds of comic writers: actual writers, and Mary (or, in this case, Marky) Sues. This isn't Doom's secret fantasy; it's Millar's -- to be evil, kill off his greatest rival, get redeemed, and take the rival's place, including in the bed of said rival's insanely hot wife.

Soooooo... I wonder who Millar perceives his rival to be...?

< / armchair Freud >

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	vitruvian23 2009-06-04 09:23 pm UTC (link)
	Mary Sue or Marty Stu are labels applicable to characters, not writers. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-06-04 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	Right, what filkertom means is real writers and complete wish fulfillment writers. It's just that complete wish fulfillment writers tend to create more Mary Sues and Marty Stus. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	filkertom 2009-06-05 12:21 pm UTC (link)
	This. Thanks for clearing up my clumsy syntax. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	starwolf_oakley 2009-06-04 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	At least this explains a little. I said earlier I could see Doom calling the Marquis "Teacher" instead of "Master." It looks like it was Doom's way of being polite and respectful to his mentor without "debasing" himself. (Reply to this)