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Tweak says, "HEERO"

volksjager (volksjager) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-05-09 13:42:00

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Per Degaton your my hero er, VILLAIN ! part 2

Say what you want but the man knows how to pick his minions...

Look at that bottom panel the Earth 2 JSA full membership in all its glory!

Also starring !

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	jlroberson 2009-05-09 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	WAIT a freaking second. In the real world, the war in the Pacific WAS the first priority of the US for a long while, wasn't it? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-05-09 01:08 pm UTC (link)
	Germany declared war a week and a half later. Churchill and FDR agreed on a "Germany first" plan. I would agree that if the Japanese attacked the mainland the people of the US would have rejected this. The same is true if the US had lost the battle of midway,which was only luck. Funny how small the fate of things can turn on. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-05-09 08:19 pm UTC (link)
	besides after Pearl Harbor it took some time to get the ships necessary to fight the battle in the Pacific properly. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-05-09 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	23 days ? (Reply to this) (Parent)

No way.

nefrekeptah
2009-05-09 02:43 pm UTC (link)

An evil time-traveling mastermind -who uses his time-traveling powers intelligently? Who has read up on his history and actually has a competent plan for using that to his advantage? Who knows when to jump ship, instead of pointlessly going down with it?!

I - I'm not used to this level of competence in a sliver-age villain. Hell, I'm not used to this level of competence in a modern-age villain! It scares me a little.

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	Re: No way. dustbunny105 2009-05-09 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	I know, right? There are plenty of villains that are supposed to be legitimately threatening, but this guy is actually on to something! I'll just be hiding under my bed if anyone needs me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: No way. volksjager 2009-05-09 07:16 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously.Most Villain do the same thing over and over and et the same result. Degaton's excuse is that he can't remember the previous incursions...what's their excuse ???? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: No way. volksjager 2009-05-09 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	Just Imagine if Per Degaton was running the invasion of Iraq ??? Still, tho even with tanks, no one could beat Alexander. (Reply to this) (Parent)

freeman333
2009-05-10 12:57 am UTC (link)

Let's not forget, it's been strongly implied (though never, to my knowledge, actually stated) that he's on a speaking basis with Dream of the Endless. Degaton may be a slimy little redheaded shrimp, but he's a major roller in terms of chronological nefariousness. Did we ever see the payoff of his partnership with Despero and Ultra-Humanite? (I know they showed up in Booster Gold, but I don't know if they ever came to a real conclusion.)

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jlroberson
2009-05-10 06:16 am UTC (link)

Which leads me to be annoyed he didn't turn out to eventually become the Time Trapper. Which I think would have been a fairly elegant linkage. The most interesting thing about him is his strange existence outside both time and continuity. Every time he finally has The Dream and remembers everything, he wreaks havoc and reality is overwritten, then reverts back again in the end, and no one, not even him, remembers he was ever any kind of threat. He's a walking Elseworld generator.

It might have been interesting if--while in his harmless, non-remembering state--he'd somehow become friends with a minor superhero in their normal identity. (or Johnny Thunder)

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	volksjager 2009-05-10 08:58 am UTC (link)
	Who won't get to become the Time-Trapper at this rate ? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	freeman333 2009-05-10 12:40 pm UTC (link)
	Oooh, he would have been a perfect candidate for Time Trapper. I like that. Make It So. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Okay, I haven't thought about this since I was 12 but here goes...

jlroberson
2009-05-14 11:42 pm UTC (link)

Except that Geoff Johns made him Emoboy-Prime. Which would be really ooh or ahh if it had been clever, but it's really just arbitrary and pulled out of Johns' ass. Though given the nature of the Trapper perhaps it's entirely possible many might be him. EXCEPT!

The Trapper is already said to be a Controller. And I think the Great Darkness Saga, being that it's liked and remembered, is probably something Johns would like to be following in the tradition of. Well, I found me a torrent of the thing yesterday(and as soon as I can figure out how much I can post, I might, as it's OOP). Darkseid went about stealing power from Legion villains at the beginning, like for instance Mordru, who deserves it as he's an abusive rapist evil wizard.

But guess what! I totally forgot we get to see the Time Trapper after he gets it too, who they had IN CUSTODY. Ultra Boy explains it all for you:

So I guess Johns isn't as much continuity-porny as we thought.

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	Re: Okay, I haven't thought about this since I was 12 but here goes... freeman333 2009-05-15 01:02 am UTC (link)
	Hmmm, I can see the Trapper looks like a Controller in those shots, but it's hard to see any resemblance with Per Degaton. (Kind of blows that his capture was apparently handled off-panel, though; what a lousy way for a major villain to be brought down.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: Okay, I haven't thought about this since I was 12 but here goes...

jlroberson
2009-05-15 01:48 am UTC (link)

No no, I WANTED him to be Degaton. But this is what they have.

I'm pretty sure they stated at some point he was a Controller, and at least as far as they've been shown in Legion comics, apart from size this is it. And that could be explained by his being drained of power here. And this isn't, like John Broome or something: this is Levitz/Giffen, so as far as I've seen from Johns' taste, this is his preferred canon.

Now, granted, even that Legion has been through a couple of overwrites(the science to magic and back again thing that happened around the Crisis) which I believe were the Trapper's doing, but anyway...

Oh, and those guys swathed in darkness in the background of the last panel? Evil duplicates of well-known heroes(including Superboy & Orion) stealing energy for Darkseid. That and the Daxamites resculpting their whole planet into Darkseid's head is one reason today's apocalyptic comics events don't impress me as much.

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	Re: Okay, I haven't thought about this since I was 12 but here goes... freeman333 2009-05-15 12:19 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, the Great Darkness Saga set the bar pretty high. It would be hard to capture that same sense of anxiety and building tension again today, since it's (officially) Been Done To Death by now. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-05-10 08:54 am UTC (link)
	Yes, I asked that as well. I recall it was just a splash page and Dun-dun-Dah , thbat was not borught up again. Anyone ? Where are you gettin' all the Dream stuff from ??? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

freeman333
2009-05-10 12:38 pm UTC (link)

JSA. Per Degaton was strolling through time, getting off on watching his enemies at their darkest moments, and he shows up at Fate's tower to watch Hector and Lyta Hall, recently resurrected, dealing with their new lives. He considers messing with them, but a voice from nowhere warns him not to interfere with "my parents", that they deserve their "happy ending". Per Degaton immediately relents and heads elsewhere.

The only person I can think of who would consider Hector and Lyta Hall his parents is Daniel, aka Dream of the Endless. As far as I know, the moment is never returned to or clarified, but Per Degaton backs down so readily that it could only have been someone of immense power, and Dream would fit that bill. The word balloon isn't Daniel's typical wobbly one, but that may just have been a printing oversight. In any case, I'm calling it an appearance of Dream, since I'm always on the lookout for any appearances of the characters from Sandman.

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	volksjager 2009-05-10 05:39 pm UTC (link)
	I had forgotten all about that. (Reply to this) (Parent)