I liked those two dammit! And their history isn't as convulsed as people seem to make it out to be. Unlike the X-Men stuff all you need to know is just the basics and you are better off. Also I hate it when heroes die so unceremoniously, a heroes death should grand, a culmination of all their hard work, sacrifices and effort and a sense finality to it not lying dead in the snow with nobody giving a crap to what happened to them.