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superfan1 (superfan1) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-22 17:37:00

Entry tags:

char: huntress/helena bertinelli, char: man-bat/kirk langstrom, creator: chris yost, creator: derek fridolfs, creator: dustin nguyen, publisher: dc comics, title: streets of gotham

Streets of Gotham #5
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Damn it,I accidentally deleted the other post. :(

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	bluefall 2009-10-22 11:14 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously. What the fuck is this obsession with writing all the Birds like the last twenty years of character development never happened? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-10-22 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	Well, at least she's not exposing her stomach for no fathomable reason. That's a plus, right? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	thebigapricot 2009-10-22 11:26 pm UTC (link)
	As I just said down below, it's an okay story -- if it's 1994. Big Fucking FAIL. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-22 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	some characters just seem to reset to a default characterization (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-10-22 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	But she's TEETERING ON THE EDGE, Bluefall, she's a CRAZY FOLK, you never know WHAT SHE MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT DO, and you KNOW she'll totally kill a man ~~just to watch him die~~. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	sailorlibra 2009-10-22 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Man, Hel, Babs is your friend. She likes you now. Remember? (Reply to this)

	darthnat 2009-10-22 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	Did I miss something? I thought Man-Bat wasn't a villain anymore. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kingsuperman 2009-10-22 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	That's mentioned in the story. We don't know why he's acting differently yet. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	manofbats 2009-10-22 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	I don't get the problem. Seems like a fine story to me. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	scottyquick 2009-10-22 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	Read any comic with Helena in it after Hush. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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jlbarnett, 2009-10-23 02:56 am UTC

every time I think of NML, I love Hel a little harder -

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	hybrid2 2009-10-22 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	Who's pretending to be Huntress?Or is this in the past? (Reply to this)

	kagome654 2009-10-23 12:00 am UTC (link)
	Out of all Batman's villains I think Manbat would be pretty low on the list of 'needs killing.' (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-10-23 12:02 am UTC (link)
	BUT HELENA'S A KILLER SHE'LL KILL ANYONE SHE'S KILL-CRAZY DON'T YOU SEE IT'S WHAT SETS HER APART SHE'S AN ANGRY KILLY WOMAN THAT'S HER THING. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	zordboy 2009-10-23 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, this. If we need to have Huntress turn edgy and homicidal, could we save it for the villains who have body-counts in the triple digits (and hell, Joker alone probably hit ten-thousand-victims-and-counting years ago)? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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sistermagpie
2009-10-23 12:18 am UTC (link)

I didn't get from the whole issue that Helena isn't friends with Babs or that she's a crazy killer. It's that Man-bat appears to be on a rampage and she feels like he should be put down-and thinks he would agree with his humans side. She seems to be wrong about him, actually. But while she doesn't want a lecture from Babs or Dick it seems more like it's more about her being in a situation where she thinks a Bat monster is trying to kill her and so she's particularly annoyed at the idea that her priority here should be protecting his well-being. She's not an outsider who's really disapproved of, she just knows they'd disapprove of her blowing this guy's head off even though he's rampaging.

Iirc, it starts out with her shooting wide. So it's not that she's saying, "I'm an outsider! Nobody approves of me!" so much as we're seeing her when this monster's attacking her and she's saying, "Yeah, guys, can't tell you how much I love that no kill policy. I'll feel great if this guy winds up mauling a dozen people because I didn't take him out."

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bluefall
2009-10-23 12:27 am UTC (link)

She says, explicitly, right there on the page, "I know Oracle doesn't approve of me."

This is a blatant falsehood. Babs does approve of her. Babs likes her. She likes Babs. They both know this. And she's absolutely playing up the outsider thing, her whole internal monologue is whining about how the Bats give everybody second chances (except her), precisely the way she used to whine back before, you know, Babs gave her a second chance and she warmed up to the idea and started extracting promises from people to behave instead of dropping them off buildings. There's no "annoyed" here, there's angry petulant martyrdom oozing off every word that she's incapable of shutting up about for even a second.

If she were really just "can't tell you how much I love that no kill policy," she'd just... say exactly that. To Barbara's face (or at least the over-the-comm equivalent). And then get on with the takedown. Instead of whining nonstop for twenty pages about how dangerous he is (when he clearly really isn't, she's not having any actual trouble keeping him from hurting anyone other than her), and then actually trying to kill him at the end for no other reason other than she apparently gets sick of whining.

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bluefall
2009-10-23 12:30 am UTC (link)

Also she's being really incurious and stupid about his behavior, because, of course, she's too busy being obsessed with her conviction that he's a danger who needs to die to actually stop and process any evidence to the contrary. Which would be out-of-character for even pre-Birds Helena, who was an anti-hero, not a moron. For post-Birds Hel it's beyond ridiculous.

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	foxhack 2009-10-23 01:02 am UTC (link)
	Anyone who thinks this is in character - including the author - needs to reread the past ten years or so of comics. GRIMDARKHelena ain't gonna cut it anymore. (Reply to this)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-10-23 01:10 am UTC (link)
	...the hell? Between this travesty of a characterization for Hel and the Costume of Stupidity, I'm about ready to headdesk a hole in my laptop. Andeyeko, I thought you were a good writer! Why are you writing Helena like a very pissed off Kate? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thebigapricot 2009-10-23 01:20 am UTC (link)
	Don't worry it's not Andreyko. Yost writes Streets. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	retro_nouveau 2009-10-23 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Don't kill Kirk! Pull out his chest hair, ok, kick him in the jewels, fine, but hold off on the stabby! He's one of my OTPs and everything... ;_; (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	lieut_kettch 2009-10-23 02:34 am UTC (link)
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	iondan 2009-10-23 05:52 am UTC (link)
	Now I dropped a good amount of Bat-books for budget reasons but last I checked Man-bat was a good guy and Helena and Dick were on good term. I'm also considerably disappointed to see that the way Helena was portrayed in the Network is the direction DC is going with her character. (Reply to this)

	pepperspray101 2009-10-23 08:43 am UTC (link)
	Wait, isn't this the preview? (when does this come out?) (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	(Anonymous) 2009-10-23 12:12 pm UTC (link)
	Let's see, how do I put this delicately?...Ah, got it: Are you shitting me, DC? (Reply to this)