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drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-16 01:44:00

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char: black canary/dinah lance, char: cupid, char: green arrow/oliver queen, char: lian harper, char: speedy/mia dearden, creator: andrew kreisberg, creator: bill sienkiewicz, creator: mike norton, creator: renato guedes, title: green arrow/black canary

Green Arrow/Black Canary #26

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	zordboy 2009-10-16 05:58 am UTC (link)
	For those first three scans, I'm wishing I had that "WTF is this shit?" picture from Star Trek, because I don't quite know how to respond any other way. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	We aim to please! freezer818 2009-10-16 06:53 am UTC (link)
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	Re: We aim to please! zordboy 2009-10-16 12:18 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you ^_^. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-10-16 06:02 am UTC (link)
	What are these artists doing on this book? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-16 08:08 am UTC (link)
	Money, my dear. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-10-16 12:33 pm UTC (link)
	Give me two reasons to buy it that aren't "Mike Norton", "Bill Sienkiewicz", or "Toilet Paper/Firestarter" . (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shadowpsykie 2009-10-16 06:04 am UTC (link)
	.... Cupid is a murdering rapist.... how... nice.... oh but look, Mia and Lian...that makes it better? right?..... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thokstar 2009-10-16 06:41 am UTC (link)
	If Kreisberg didn't effectively use the Mia-Lian half of the book as a recap, then yes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-10-16 06:56 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, uh, what was up with the "continued on the next page" that... um, wasn't? Is he even trying to write a coherent story? Also I MUST KNOW THE SOURCE OF YOUR ICON. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thokstar 2009-10-16 07:04 am UTC (link)
	This week's Blue Beetle cofeature. The relevant scene has been posted. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	You haven't seen it yet?? The awesome can be found here. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-10-16 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	I love, love, loathe that he puts the entire recap at the end of the book. BRILLIANT! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hyakinthia 2009-10-16 06:05 am UTC (link)
	I liked all the art up until the very last panel. Lian is a deformed midget? Her face looks strangely adult. The situation is a win, though! COOKIES. (Reply to this)

	runespoor7 2009-10-16 06:05 am UTC (link)
	CAN WE STOP WITH THE RAPES AND THE FEMALE VILLAINS BEING SEXUAL PREDATORS. Also I don't think Mia looks like Mia. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	shadowpsykie 2009-10-16 06:10 am UTC (link)
	while i agree that women can be sexual predators as much as men (and really its a fascinating twist from the Male sexual predator) ummm yeah.... we get it already.... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-10-16 06:12 am UTC (link)
	Didn't Ollie save her from a rape, and that's why she's all obsessed with him? Is this supposed to be some kind of bizarre irony or something? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	drsevarius 2009-10-16 06:14 am UTC (link)
	I'm not sure we know why she's obsessed with him. When did we see him rescue her from getting raped? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-10-16 06:20 am UTC (link)
	No, wait, I lied, he rescued her from getting beaten. It's a flashback at the very tail end of #15, and again at the end of #16 when she's all delirious and slicing herself up with arrows. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-16 08:07 am UTC (link)
	Which is worse? Old, tired retread cliches badly handled? Or new plots badly handled? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thebigapricot 2009-10-16 10:50 am UTC (link)
	Well it kinda looks like Mia if Mia is supposed to be about 45 years old now. Her neck had wrinkles in one panel. The whole thing is just awful. (Reply to this) (Parent)

zordboy
2009-10-16 12:18 pm UTC (link)

In fact, on that...

Can we just *quit* with rapes and sexual violence in comics altogether?

Or at least, can we have a total ban for a few months on, "We can take turns with Supergirl!" or "I've been retconned into being a rapist!" or "I want to fight Power Girl just so I can do her!" and similar?

Can the whole industry just *stop* for a little whole? Yeah, I get it, villains are evil and that bleeds into their sex lives as well. But after a point, it's just tacky.

Note to DC and Marvel -- you passed that point several Crises ago.

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brandiweed.livejournal.com
2009-10-16 01:39 pm UTC (link)

Can we just *quit* with rapes and sexual violence in comics altogether?

But it's so mature. Everyone knows that comics should tackle Deep Adult Issues like killin', rape, rapey killin', and sympathetic characters introduced for the sole purpose of having them raped, killed, and/or eaten, not necessarily in that order.

(Hey, whaddaya know, the Font of Sarcasm works here, too.)

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zordboy
2009-10-16 03:52 pm UTC (link)

I know it's cool to hate on Morrison at the moment, but he said it himself when he wrote himself into Animal Man #26. "It was done to make comics more adult. God help us all if *that's* what 'more adult' means."

(as wacky as the guy is, that is the reason I'll never not like him)

And it's just so tiring. It's done for shock value, but when it's shoved down your throat for so long, all it does is desensitize people. Which is the antithesis of shocking people into giving you their attention (and money).

I'm enjoying Blackest Night (even with all the gore, which I'm not normally keen on, even though yes, I knew this was a zombie story going in), but honestly? I'm at the point where, once that story wraps up, I'm out. Come and get me when the funny books have *stopped* trying to be cool and hip and adult and mature?

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	fredneil.livejournal.com 2009-10-16 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	I like that quote, but everything else I've seen by him here makes me think "That's the same guy who said that thing I liked in Animal Man?" (Reply to this) (Parent)

timgueguen
2009-10-17 05:50 am UTC (link)

Yeah, I get it, villains are evil and that bleeds into their sex lives as well. But after a point, it's just tacky.

Over on Fanficrants every couple of weeks or so we get a rant pointing out that just because someone is a villain it doesn't make him evil about everything, such as sex. Bad guy X might be evil, but that doesn't mean he'll have his way with the hero/heroine at the first convenient opportunity. So its amusing that so-called professionals fall for the dubious idea of making everyone and his brother a rapist just like bad fanfic writers do.

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	ex_menagerie993 2009-10-16 07:41 am UTC (link)
	As creepy as the whole thing is, I think the scene with Cupid with a mustache is just too much. A weird combination of sexy and utterly ludicrous. (Again, the image itself, not what's happening). (Reply to this)

	filthysize 2009-10-16 07:52 am UTC (link)
	"See anything you like?" Actually? No. You barely look human. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-16 08:09 am UTC (link)
	While this is nowhere near the best Bill Sienkiewicz has done, it's also nowhere near his worst. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	halloweenjack 2009-10-16 05:33 pm UTC (link)
	Probably not, but he's had a pretty long career. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 01:01 pm UTC (link)
	OH MY GOD, can this comic just move on to a different villain already? You know, I like the Arrow-Canary family, but I would never pick up this comic as long as creepy stalker rapist woman is in it. I've been tuned out of this comic for a while now, and quite frankly I'm astonished that she is still in it. That's just tedious. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kagome654 2009-10-16 01:57 pm UTC (link)
	Ikr? This week I'm going to do what I should have done ages ago and cut this title from my pull list. Boo, I wanted to support a Canary title (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 02:01 pm UTC (link)
	What I don't get is Didio said that Green Arrow is going to be the "book to watch" next year. Maybe there's a new creative team lined up...but on the other hand, if there isn't...outlook not so good. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	toasty_fresh 2009-10-16 03:22 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe it's the "book to watch" if you're a masochist? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	That sounds much more reasonable. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zordboy 2009-10-16 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	The book to watch if you're throwing it into a fire-place? Then again, fire probably doesn't even want it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 04:07 pm UTC (link)
	Soggy with awfulness, then? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jaybee3 2009-10-16 05:15 pm UTC (link)
	Once they decided on the marriage and a joint BC/GA title DC should have just kept Mia, Roy, Lian and Connor and Sin and made this the DC version of Fantastic Four (i.e. a family that fights super-villains together stays together!). Instead we have the dumb stalker getting more space than any of Ollie's sons/daughters/step-daughters/etc. Which is dumb. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-10-16 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	That would have been awesome. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-10-16 05:32 pm UTC (link)
	They actually thought of my idea for Mia to be the babysitter of the superhero community. Next week, Mia babysits Damian and a degaged Chris Kent. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	uadlika 2009-10-16 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	when did Chris Kent get engaged? But really, that would be awesome. So. Much. Awesome. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-17 03:30 am UTC (link)
	I'm guessing "de-aged." Or maybe "unmeasurable"? . . . bad place! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	runespoor7 2009-10-16 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	I think Rose Wilson might fill in a complaint. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shanejayell 2009-10-16 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	WOW, it's worse than I was expecting. Which is SAYING SOMETHING. (Reply to this)

	jlroberson 2009-10-16 09:30 pm UTC (link)
	Hey, at least those have the gravity of real breasts. (In fact, I am inpressed by the whole first page visually) It's not that often in comics I see a woman with a good body that looks like a real one. (Reply to this)