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arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-08 21:07:00

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creator: mark waid, creator: peter krause, publisher: boom!, title: irredeemable

Irredeemable 7

An unspecified number of days later (months?), the Plutonian's having a bad day...

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	ex_darkblade992 2009-10-09 04:48 am UTC (link)
	Sure are a lot of undead walking around in comics lately. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	wizardru 2009-10-09 11:38 am UTC (link)
	Technically, they're not undead...they're an alien sound-based virus that's killing children and animating their corpses. It's pretty gruesome stuff. Finding out that Plutonian was responsible helps explain why he goes so far off the deep-end. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-10-09 02:41 pm UTC (link)
	I don't buy it. What did he do that could have been reversed in 10 minutes that a reasonable person couldn't have prevented? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

wizardru
2009-10-09 02:51 pm UTC (link)

Taken the device away from the guy he'd given it to in the first place. Most likely to transport into the vacuum of space where the sound can't travel or contain it somehow (since by the time the heroes arrives, as we see in the previous issue, it's spreading like wildfire and nearly all of Mexico City (iirc) is the victim). If Qubit had been there at the start, he might have figured it out that much sooner and saved thousands of lives. We don't really know what he could have done, but that's not really the point. The point is what he, the Plutonian, thinks he could have done and how it affected him afterwards.

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	kamino_neko 2009-10-10 05:29 am UTC (link)
	Jackson, Tennessee, actually. The 'virus' was a pretty cool idea (in a gruesome way). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	stolisomancer 2009-10-09 06:19 pm UTC (link)
	Earlier in the series, it's shown that the Plutonian can fly fast enough to get from the ground to orbit in about a second and a half. By being out of range of the signal fob he gave the guy, he ensured that the problem actually became a problem. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_darkblade992 2009-10-09 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	Aren't "re-animated corpses" the definition of undead? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	wizardru 2009-10-09 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	Well, that's where the 'technically' part come in. ;) iirc, the virus kills them and then possesses them as part of a group intelligence that gets smarter as it gets more victims. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tacobob 2009-10-09 04:32 pm UTC (link)
	Well, at least they're well dressed. (Reply to this) (Parent)

starwolf_oakley
2009-10-09 04:53 am UTC (link)

Mark Waid mentioned on Fanboy Radio (paraphrasing from faulty memory) that part of the Plutonian's hang-up/flaw/etc. was not being emotionally stable enough to handle being a superhero.

I've wondered why Superman's super-hearing *doesn't* drive him nuts, even if he doesn't have it "on" all the time. Waid's comments got me wondering if there's something about Superman's Kryptonian yellow-sun powered brain that keeps him on an "even keel."

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	jarodrussell 2009-10-09 04:08 pm UTC (link)
	I think Kryptonians have more advanced minds than humans. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pyrotwilight 2009-10-09 05:04 am UTC (link)
	Ah what can happen in ten minutes. I'm looking forward to Incorruptible even though I don't read Irredeemable. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	proteus_lives 2009-10-09 05:22 am UTC (link)
	Incorruptible? Is that going to be the sequel to this series? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	drsevarius 2009-10-09 05:27 am UTC (link)
	It's more of a spin-off. It focuses on a villain who decides to reform in the wake of the Plutonian's carnage. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-10-09 10:40 am UTC (link)
	Ah, now THAT sounds interesting. Reformed villains have a lot more story potential than corrupted heroes, in my opinion. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

wizardru
2009-10-09 11:41 am UTC (link)

If Irredeemable is evidence, I'd argue they're equal. Waid is doing some amazing stuff here, IMHO. This could have been a trite 'what if Superman went eeeevvillll' story...but instead its much more interesting.

The more we find out about the Plutonian, the more we understand what's made him go loony. Although the premise of 'Superman gets pissed off because people say bad things about him on the Internet' is damned funny.

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	psychop_rex 2009-10-09 11:51 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I'm enjoying what I've read of it so far. I'm just saying that a story of a bad guy finding redemption is more interesting to me than a story of a good guy turned bad. Both are interesting; I just have a slight preference for the former. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silverzeo 2009-10-09 05:32 am UTC (link)
	I would say he is only human, except he's not. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	wizardru 2009-10-09 11:42 am UTC (link)
	I don't think it's really been established that he's not, has it? If we follow the 'Superman gone kinda wrong' origin, then that certainly seems likely....but I think in the comic they've established that no one's really sure what his origin is (though we do see a flashback showing his powers came out early and to bad effect). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	dustbunny105 2009-10-09 05:35 am UTC (link)
	Third scan: I take it the Ex-lax is working out okay then? (Reply to this)

	bunniegrrl 2009-10-09 05:54 am UTC (link)
	Wow, perfect chance to use this. (Reply to this)

	psychop_rex 2009-10-09 10:42 am UTC (link)
	This makes a pretty good point - it must be maddening to hear just about EVERYBODY, all at once, all over the world, and to be able to distinguish one cry for help from another, so that there is always someone desperately needing your assistance, day in and day out, never stopping. I'd wind up a tad overstressed, too. (Reply to this)

	janegray 2009-10-09 03:33 pm UTC (link)
	...I really hate stories where the characters "can't get away with nothing". (Reply to this)

	jarodrussell 2009-10-09 04:10 pm UTC (link)
	So, exiting the atmosphere, he went through reentry? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-09 09:37 pm UTC (link)
	Welcome to the wonderful world of friction. If you're going fast enough, you'll heat up going up, too. It's more common on descent because during lift-off gravity is working against you, slowing your climb. On the way down - 9.8 m/s^2, plus your own velocity. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bruinsfan 2009-10-10 09:26 pm UTC (link)
	Also, angle of re-entry tends to skim the atmosphere to bleed off all that momentum and slow the vehicle down. On the way up, they try to punch out of the atmosphere as quickly as possible to minimuze friction. (Reply to this) (Parent)

kamino_neko
2009-10-10 06:52 am UTC (link)

What's really interesting about this scene, and its context...

It's clear in the flashback, that at the time, Plutonian blamed himself (check the look on his face, and how he's phrasing the narration)...but before he tells Charybdis this part of the story, he seems to have shifted the blame to Seabrook ('It wasn't my fault. They goaded me.')...I wonder if this came before or after he snapped completely...

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