InsaneJournal

Tweak says, "It's not my club. Not my rules"

sherkahn (sherkahn) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-08 15:40:00

Entry tags:

creator: greg land, creator: matt fraction, genre: previews, group: x-men, title: uncanny x-men

Uncanny X-men #516 Preview
IGN has the preview.

Welcome back, Magnus. It has not been the same without you. Looking GOOD!

p.s. You have formidable psi shields of your own, so the helmet helps but it's not all of your psi defenses.

(Post a new comment)

	mcspakypants 2009-10-08 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	Land's art doesn't look too terrible here, hope that's true for the rest of the issue. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kamino_neko 2009-10-09 12:31 am UTC (link)
	I dunno...Chuck's got zombie-eyes... On the other hand, two separate closeups from different angles, and Mags looks like the same person in both, so that's a plus. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	schala_kid 2009-10-09 01:12 am UTC (link)
	goes to show you that colorist do wonders (Reply to this) (Parent)

	afghanant.wordpress.com 2009-10-09 01:50 pm UTC (link)
	It's still traced. (Reply to this) (Parent)

rzerox21xx
2009-10-08 11:18 pm UTC (link)

Wow Charles, didn't Magneto helped you right in the beginning of your memory search and left on good terms? in the first couple of issues of legacy. No need to be a ungrateful douche, I understand Cyclops and the team but Charles has no excuse here to his friend here considering the help he gave in the beginning of Charles memory search against Exodus and his acloytes. not couting them building genosha together before Wanda's insanity.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-08 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	it seems that he came back in the middle of a memorial. THe last time he did that it had a pretty bad ending. If nothing else it doesn't hurt to let him know he's being an ass. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	vitruvian23 2009-10-08 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	Was that before or after he tried to punk the team in San Fran using artificial powers in tandem with the High Evolutionary, trying to do something obscure with the Dreaming Celestial? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-10-09 08:54 am UTC (link)
	Pretty much concurrent, so the chances of Fraction referencing any of the Legacy stuff is most unlikely, I would think. They can always blame Xorn. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-10-08 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	How underwhelming. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ex_stig213 2009-10-09 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Classic Magneto is kind of an old fart, isn't he? All I could think seeing this was "Boooring". (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

statham1986
2009-10-09 01:57 pm UTC (link)

It almost makes me wish Magneto had stayed dead following his murder of Jean at the end of Morrison's run, really. I mean, what more is there that you can do with Magneto that hasn't been done?

He's been the leader of a small sect of mutants, the leader of a massive cult, ruler of his own country, and ascended to the point where he was a pop-culture symbol used by rebellious teens. For all intents and purposes, he's done. He's actually succeeded in a way, because all those teens who once touted the 'Magneto was right' shirts and were suddenly being abused and blown up again following M-Day, they're all going to believe in him.

So I just wish Magneto would stay dead, myself. He's a classic villain, but to me, he's run his course. Of course, superhero books being superhero books, he'll still be fighting the fucking X-Men come 2109, at this rate.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

angelophile
2009-10-09 02:33 pm UTC (link)

I'd rather Morrison had kept him dead, personally, and the gas-chamber Magneto had never happened. It says a lot that Morrison so horribly mutilated the character that they did have to immediately claim that it wasn't Magneto after all. Dying in the flames of Genosha and then the powerful issue with his last words echoed around the dead island would have been a perfect place to leave the character. Post-Planet X was not, in my opinion. It's curious that Morrison made Magneto a far more compelling character dead than he did when he wrote him alive.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

ex_stig213
2009-10-09 03:03 pm UTC (link)

It's curious that Morrison made Magneto a far more compelling character dead than he did when he wrote him alive.

That was the point of Magneto's role in the run. The whole thing was a demonstration of how morally questionable figures can be changed by word-of-mouth (there's very few who know that St. George, for instance, was the Persian son of a pig-farmer who later aspired to own his own brothel), and to satirise the horrible "He's A Villain/He's A Victim" fairy-skip plot that had pervaded Marvel over and over by showing us: he's a psychotic, damaged terrorist.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-10-10 12:58 am UTC (link)
	He's no more a psychotic, damaged terrorist than he is a charismatic, misunderstood freedom fighter. The truth is he's been both in his time and by forcing the character to be an extreme of one of those, Morrison didn't make him interesting, just unpalatable. (Reply to this) (Parent)

ex_stig213
2009-10-09 03:00 pm UTC (link)

The way you put it in that second paragraph, he sounds like an incredibly poor Dr. Doom imitator.

I agree with you, even without the Xorn fiasco embittering my POV, Magneto's still lost it to all but the nostalgia-mad. As Morrison put it, "...we know he always COMES BACK, somehow, so expect a dramatic return sooner or later, True Believers!"

I get quite annoyed when people complain about Magneto in Planet X, partly because the entire point was to stop romanticising about how decent the character was inside and tell the ugly truth: he really was just a mad old terrorist twat, and partly because Grant had been undergoing an awful lot of personal tragedy at the time, which leaked into his scripting - most especially in that Xavier, the character most like him, is shown powerless, immobilised, humiliated at the hands of his greatest enemy and told that his friends and students are all dead.

Still, it's nice he was able to joke about it later.

The biggest problem, though - aside from whether you agree or disagree about whether he's a horrible monster or a misunderstood victim - is that by rights he should be fucking ancient. The latest account deals with him being born in 1925-6; does the above figure look like a man of 84? Does he look a day over thirty, white hair discounted? Hell, wouldn't Magneto as an old man dying of degenerative disease be far more convincing, character-wise, and fit in with Marvel's pathetic pretence of 'realism' in its plotting approaches?

URGHGHLL. Age him, give him a successor, or just let him crawl into a wooden box and die. There is literally nothing that can be convincingly done with him any more.

(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neuhallidae 2009-10-09 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	Magneto's been aged and de-aged more than freaking Hawkman. He got reverted to a baby at one time, for Chrissakes. The fact that his hair was originally done white for age means nothing now, because they reverted it to genetic like Pietro's when they started fucking around with his age. We have no idea what physical age he actually is now. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_stig213 2009-10-09 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	That just makes it even more ridiculous. Yet another reason to just let him die. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	timemonkey 2009-10-09 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	Pretty sure he has died before. Dieing is an easy way to bring someone back with a younger body. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	trueredorion 2009-10-08 11:42 pm UTC (link)
	Is he still using tech to replace his powers or are we supposed to forget Uncanny #500? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-10-09 12:19 am UTC (link)
	The High Evolutionary did something to him a few issues ago that gave him his powers back somehow. That's what this arc is about, as I understand it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	autumn_lily 2009-10-10 02:13 am UTC (link)
	Next Issue: Magneto is hooked on performance steroids - High Evolutionary is his dealer! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silver_raven 2009-10-08 11:47 pm UTC (link)
	Nothing good can come out of this. Ever since Uncanny #500 this series has failed harder and harder with each passing isuue. Fraction's ideas and views have made a mockery of the flagship X-book. Especially with Greg Land. (Reply to this)

nezchan
2009-10-09 12:03 am UTC (link)

Being pedantic for a second, isn't he laying his shield at Scott's feet, since he still has his sword in the form of his magnetic powers?

Also, everyone has tiny, tiny little eyes.

Also also, Scott needs a shave.

Also also also, when did Scott get such full, sensuous lips?

Also also also also, Magneto in panel two and Magneto in panel four of that page are two different men.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

	sinisterlink 2009-10-09 12:29 am UTC (link)
	"Also also also also, Magneto in panel two and Magneto in panel four of that page are two different men." Welcome to the art of Greg Land, where no one looks the same from panel to panel. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ar_feiniel_ 2009-10-10 05:07 am UTC (link)
	Yet often at the same time everyone manages to look like everyone else. He really deserves his own special level of fail. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kamino_neko 2009-10-09 12:38 am UTC (link)
	Also also, Scott needs a shave. He's had a busy few weeks...it's amazing he's not sporting the Alan Moore look at this point. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hyperactivator 2009-10-09 01:18 am UTC (link)
	I think he got the lips in the movies. The actor has a very plush mouth. A fact the slashers noticed quickly. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	autumn_lily 2009-10-10 02:09 am UTC (link)
	"Also also also, when did Scott get such full, sensuous lips?" He's taking a cue from Emma and getting some work done... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-10-09 12:20 am UTC (link)
	I generally enjoy what Fraction's been doing when Land isn't drawing it and when the giant cast doesn't clutter things up too much. Whenever he really focusses on a character or two, things really work. (Reply to this)

	sinisterlink 2009-10-09 12:32 am UTC (link)
	And on the next page Magneto will be like, "GOTCHA!" Yeah, I have no faith in writers not making Mags evil again. Poor guy is probably getting whiplash from going back and forth between evil and good and somewhat good/vaguely evil. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	autumn_lily 2009-10-10 02:11 am UTC (link)
	So the force is bipolar in this one? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	carolcarolcarol 2009-10-09 02:31 am UTC (link)
	Welcome back, Magnus. It has not been the same without you. Looking GOOD! YES ON ALL COUNTS. Hit 'em where it hurts, Erik. I want the wind taken out of Scott and Emma's sails yesterday, and you're just the Big Bad to do it. (Reply to this)

	foxhack 2009-10-09 02:32 am UTC (link)
	Hank looks like my neighbor's cat. And Magneto looks younger than me. At least there's no pornface... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	autumn_lily 2009-10-10 02:09 am UTC (link)
	...yet... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	selke 2009-10-10 08:49 am UTC (link)
	Scott kind of has the DSL going. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	selke 2009-10-09 02:53 am UTC (link)
	Hmm. Magneto looks like Riley from "Buffy." (Reply to this) (Thread)

	chains_of_irony 2009-10-09 10:37 am UTC (link)
	Argh, you're right. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	wait a sec, that's RIOT! v_various 2009-10-09 07:56 pm UTC (link)
	oh my god your icon, The Stingers duuuuude I love you (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: wait a sec, that's RIOT! selke 2009-10-10 08:43 am UTC (link)
	Hee hee, thanks. :) It's the only one I brought over from LJ, but I have a few Jem and Pizzazz ones, too. I was bored. L (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lots42 2009-10-09 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	Dear Scott: Don't shout out your battle plans, idiot (Reply to this) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-10-09 03:08 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not sure shouting 'use the anti-Magneto plan' is that much of a giveaway. Of course, I'm not sure it's necessary. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autumn_lily 2009-10-10 02:11 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, for all Max knows, they could be gearing up to bombard him with kitchen appliances in an effort to confuse and weigh him down... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ar_feiniel_ 2009-10-10 05:04 am UTC (link)
	Given that mutants have been reduced to a handful (most of whom are already running around in spandex), Mags probably realizes his old bickering with Charles is rather pointless. Too bad Marvel didn't realize this before rubber stamping House of M. (Reply to this)

kiplingkat
2009-10-12 12:56 pm UTC (link)

I have no issue with Magneto joining the X-Men at this juncture since they are following his ideas more than Xavier's, but...

A. As (sort of noted) by the OP, Magneto's helmet has never blocked telepathy in the 616. That's the films and the Ultimate Universe. (And if people want examples, I can cite many, many issues.)

B. Magneto's bitchy dismissal of Charles. How did we go from Legacy to this?

C. Magneto bows to/lay his sword at the feet of no one. If Magneto was approaching Cyclops as an equal that would be stretching it, but at least within the bounds of possibility. It just isn't in Magneto to be subservient. Fraction is just warping another character to build up his man-crush Scott. He can't actually show that Scott is a good leader (since Cyclops has been making remarkably stupid decisions lately), so he has to have everyone standing around *saying* Cyclops is a good leader.

The other option is Fraction is making this a "wolf in sheep's clothing" ruse and Magneto will turn on them in a particularly villainous manner...so that Cyclops looks good by comparison and he can get every to shut up about how Cyclops is cribbing from Magneto's playbook.

(Reply to this)