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Kitsune Sniper (foxhack) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-27 12:51:00

Entry tags:

char: hawkeye/ronin/clint barton, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: brian michael bendis, theme: randomness week, title: new avengers

Spidey and Ronin discuss Ninjas

For randomness week, of course. This is from New Avengers #31.

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	maslego 2009-09-27 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	This is great. I have to admit that it took a few moments for me to realize that Spidey was wearing the black suit. Hooray! I'm a trendsetter! (Reply to this)

	taggerung301 2009-09-27 08:59 pm UTC (link)
	this is simply amazing :D (Reply to this)

	tacobob 2009-09-27 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	Wonder if those are those zombie ninjas they always seem to have. You can threw a zillion of 'em at the good guys, and they can kill them without any remorse. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-09-29 04:16 am UTC (link)
	Not to mention, they go 'poof!' when they go UNCONSCIOUS rather than just killed. It's like they're balloons! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tacobob 2009-09-29 04:26 am UTC (link)
	No mess, self-cleaning ninjas! Shame Deadpool wasn't invited to the Ninja Tea Party. It would be Banter-City! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sinisterlink 2009-09-27 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	I have no idea why, but, "It's a ninja tea party" always makes me laugh. But I gotta say that it's nice to see someone banter back and forth with Spidey instead of being like, "WILL YOU SHUT UP" like most people do. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	joysweeper 2009-09-27 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	Motto on both counts. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mcbangle 2009-09-28 12:11 am UTC (link)
	This is so yay. Fun fun fun. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-09-28 12:57 am UTC (link)
	I like that - to fight ninjas - spidey thought he should wear his black suit. :) (Reply to this)

	yaseen101 2009-09-28 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Amazing. (Reply to this)

	sianmink 2009-09-28 04:06 am UTC (link)
	This page fits perfectly with the Runaways one with ninjas. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bariman1987 2009-09-28 10:17 am UTC (link)
	There are FORTY ninjas. That's as many as FOUR TENS. And that's TERRIBLE. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-09-29 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Seriously if that panel isn't a deliberate Superdictionary reference I will eat my hat. I don't even own a hat but I'll find a way to do it anyway, that's how sure I am that that was intentional. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tacobob 2009-09-29 04:28 am UTC (link)
	But it's the ninja rule! If you have to face 50, they're gonna all be pushovers, however if you just have to face one, it's going to be the fight of your life! (Reply to this) (Parent)

psychop_rex
2009-09-28 05:43 am UTC (link)

While I like this page quite a bit - Ninjas! And Spidey! And Spidey with Ninjas! - I just don't get what they've done with poor Clint. I mean, yes, the whole Ronin thing is pretty cool and all - I like the costume - but this is HAWKEYE we're talking about here. Y'know? Hawkeye? The ARCHER? The guy who shoots arrows and knows how to fight but is NOT a martial artist but IS one of the greatest archers in the MU, and who USED to therefore have a variety of useful trick arrows on his person. Now he has, what, a vaulkting pole? A sword? Bleh. Give someone else the Ronin costume. I want my purple archer back.

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	psychop_rex 2009-09-28 05:44 am UTC (link)
	...'VAULting pole'. Good grief. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kusonaga 2009-09-28 06:16 am UTC (link)
	It's not like there isn't any precedent. Clint's ditched the arrows before to become Goliath. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex
2009-09-28 06:43 am UTC (link)

Well, yeah, but then he could grow real big and smash things - he didn't NEED any fighting experience beyond what he already had, which was not inconsiderable. As Ronin, he's basically billing himself as a modern-day samurai, which kinda comes out of nowhere - at least with the whole Goliath thing, he'd been around Giant-Man before and had a chance to think 'heyyyy - that whole 'growing big' thing looks like a real gas! If the arrow-slinging game ever gets old, maybe I should try that!' But martial artists have never featured heavily on the Avengers' roster.

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daningram
2009-09-28 08:08 pm UTC (link)

Uhh, Panther, Cap, Mantis, Black Widow and Mockingbird come to mind off hand. The team's had plenty of martial artists on the team before, it's just that they usually brought another skill to the table.

Though that said, yeah Clint as Ronin is a terrible idea. Hawkeye's greatest skill will always be his marksman ship ability, not his skill at hand to hand combat.

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psychop_rex
2009-09-28 09:56 pm UTC (link)

OK, Mantis counts, and I guess Bobbi too, but the rest are simply good FIGHTERS, not martial artists specifically. They specialize in generalized rough-and-tumble, sock-'em-in-the-jaw-and-yell-'pop-goes-the-weasel' (sorry, I couldn't resist) sort of fighting rather than actual martial artists. I think of a martial artist as someone like, say, Iron Fist or Shang-Chi - someone who has been trained in a specific, advanced, usually Asian discipline of fighting arts. I'm not sure Cap was given any training at all, at any rate not in the martial arts - he was just given a quick jab with the Super-Soldier Serum, his muscles and reflexes and so forth were amped up to ten, and the rest came through experience. T'Challa blurs the line a little, as he was likely trained in how to fight as a boy, given that he would one day have to overcome the country's ten greatest warriors, etc., but I don't think there's any specific evidence that the Wakandans have any particularly advanced style of martial arts that they teach - it's more generalized learn-to-duck-the-punch sort of stuff. (By that reckoning, your average medieval footsoldier would have to be termed a martial artist.) Black Widow is... mmm, she's borderline, but I'd say, given that she largely depends on her 'Widow's Bite' in a battle, that she's more of a talented kickboxer than a direct martial artist. (Remember, as a spy, she would have largely been trained to AVOID conflict, not initiate it - get in, get out, don't let anyone see you.) They're subtle distinctions, but they matter - otherwise, Sylvester Stallone and the like have to be termed 'martial artists'.