you're talking to the person who has been trying to work out for way too long the specifics of the startup with a name and photos of the office but has come up short so far so don't even worry about any of that, i know that in particular with this world you can kind of make a name for yourself even by being an early investor so that could also have been his dad's thing too, i have it so that cliff was kind of doing that as well as a blanket term of internet entrepreneurship/using his parent's money to put into things he liked before starting on his own businesses. i would love all of that though! he's a hard sell, i had it in mind that he was put on the map with another app/website he was the front of that got bought over by a bigger corporation so we could always say at the time maarten showed a good amount of interest, this would've been something like 8 years ago give or take, so he could've talked about it here and there and eventually cliff ended up going with someone else acquire it BUT they didn't leave on bad blood since he can be charming when he wants to be. EVEN IF JOHANES TOLD HIM, or tells him ic/he ends up finding out in some fun way, that would be great and if the conversation of his dad ever comes up he might be sending him this