Kathy nodded in agreement as she listened to him. He was right, he was absolutely right. "You're definitely right," she said. "It's awful. If you want to have kids, you should be allowed. If you don't, then you shouldn't be forced to... We're people, not animals." She frowned at the mention of his first wife.
"I'm sorry to hear that you lost someone," she said, honestly. "Do you have any children yet with your second wife?"