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Sam Winchester ([info]tallerthanthou) wrote in [info]marinanova,
@ 2016-01-12 07:59:00

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Entry tags::class, charlotte charles, nico di angelo, sam winchester, yenyoji quryoja

Day 358 : Paranormal Studies : Open Class Mingle
[As disconcerting as yesterday was, it's a new day and there's no reason for Sam not to have class. Besides, Quinn's mixed holiday party a few days ago gave him an idea for a topic or at least the case study. Which he has been having on schedule whether I post or not and which everyone is welcome to attend and would know about because of mail and the welcome basket and what not.



Overview : Pagan Gods

So there are gods living among humans where I'm from. It's not common and it's not something most people realize, but in ancient times these gods were usually worshiped by large groups of followers. They may have been given rewards for certain sacrifices and the gods maintained their positions and power this way. Over time, ways changed and people moved on to different religions and these gods had to find new ways to survive.

They can come from all over. There were well known beliefs centering around Greek, Norse, and Egyptian gods but there are many lesser known ones and not necessarily all of them were real. Sometimes a legend is just a story, but more often than not it comes from some real account even if it's been altered through time and retelling.

[ Gods ]


Practical : Identification and Defense

These gods are usually very powerful, but the types of powers they control vary from god to god. They are very individual unlike vampires that all share the same sorts of attributes and weaknesses. Long life or even immortality is a common attribute. You can expect increased strength, speed, agility and hightened senses.

Gods have true forms, but can often appear as a human. Sometimes certain kinds of lights can reveal their real appearance. There are also some triggers that will make them expose themselves. The real trick is knowing who you're dealing with so you can research their specific lore. That way you know if you need a wooden stake dipped in the blood of one of it's victims or phoenix ashes or whatever it might be. The case we're about to talk about required a stake of evergreen.


Case Study : Hold Nickar

We were investigating a string of disappearances in Michigan happening around Christmas time. We realized the thing connecting all the missing people were that they bought holiday wreathes mad of meadowsweeet. It's an herb used in pagan rituals to summon gods for a human sacrifice. After some research we figured out we were dealing with Hold Nickar, gods of the Winter Solstice. In ancient times they would grant nice weather after getting their human tributes.

It turns out these gods were living as an older suburban couple. They seemed perfectly normal if you don't know about them pulling out body parts and cutting their victims for blood. If you were wondering if you want someone to pry off one of your fingernails, you really don't. [Yes, that happened to him.]

Shining light on them revealed their true faces and like I mentioned they could be killed by staking them through the heart with evergreen.

[ Hold Nickar ]


Questions & Discussion

And that's it, so any questions? Something to add?

(OOC: Mingle style. Notifs are off so tag Sam during class with questions or catch him before or after. Use your discretion with the links provided. Sam didn't necessarily cover every detail, but feel free to bring more into it, but his canon point is toward the send of season 5, so nothing beyond that.)



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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-19 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Juuuuust ... The bad ones? Don't they serve a purpose?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-19 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Just the ones killing people. I think the weather in isolated areas can go back to being whatever it normally is instead of mild and they'll be okay.

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-19 04:48 pm UTC (link)
[He doesn't look convinced, but different worlds?] So where do they go when you kill them?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-19 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I...don't actually know. [Problem for another day? Someday he might find out they aren't in purgatory with the other supernatural creatures who die though.]

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-19 05:11 pm UTC (link)
So they could come back. [Monsters in his world always come back. You can't really kill them. They just go away for a while.]

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-19 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I've never heard of that happening, but I guess it's possible. [Does he really need more to worry about?]

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
[Yes. Always. You should always worry about these things. You'll live longer.] I don't have any more questions.

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-21 03:32 am UTC (link)
Okay, well, I have one.

Where do they go in your world if they die?

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-21 05:04 am UTC (link)
They ... don't go anywhere? They can be trapped or indisposed. They can fade away. Stop existing.

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-21 05:05 am UTC (link)
How do you know?

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-21 05:12 am UTC (link)
I've saw it happen with the god Pan. And I was there when Apollo himself explained that when he took over carrying the sun across the sky, Helios faded. There was no room for both of them.

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-21 05:21 am UTC (link)
[Sam recognizes the names and knows the mythology as it works out in his world. Hard to say what might be the same or different. Even in his world the mythology often gets distorted over time and retellings and translations.]

It's possible it's the same where I'm from. I guess that's what I've been assuming.

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-24 02:08 am UTC (link)
[Nico hasn't recognized any of Sam's monsters or gods, but that doesn't mean his world doesn't have them. His world has more than just the Greek gods.]

You have a living Greek pantheon in your world?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-24 05:38 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure. [In a couple of episodes he would be sure! Of course by then they'll also be largely dead.] We don't really go international much.

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-24 06:17 am UTC (link)
...I'm from New York. Where you are from?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-24 06:57 am UTC (link)
[Oh.] Kansas originally.

We haven't heard about any Greek gods in the states, so if they are around they aren't killing anyone. [Or they are just getting away with it.]

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-01-27 06:02 am UTC (link)
They're not really ... I mean, it's more complicated than that... [It would take a long time to explain. Like ... ten novels, probably.] Don't you worry about upsetting the balance?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-01-27 06:14 am UTC (link)
[That's the kind of thing the Winchesters wouldn't worry about until it's already happened and caused new problems.] What do you think would happen?

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-02-05 06:08 am UTC (link)
Chaos. Like, what if something happened to the God of Death? [Which had actually happened on his world.] No one would die. But you can't have life without death. He must exist.

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-02-05 06:22 am UTC (link)
[If this was later season Sam he could tell you EXACTLY what happens if you kill Death in his world. As it is, however...] There actually was a town where that was happening. The reaper had been killed. It wasn't pretty.

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-02-07 01:42 am UTC (link)
[His version had been edited for a younger audience. But, you know... He nods.] Even the gods that are awful serve a purpose. [Says the kid going to war with Mother Earth.]

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-02-07 05:25 pm UTC (link)
I still think you have to defend yourself if you're in that position. [And deal with the fallout if there is any. It's the Winchester way.]

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-02-11 01:34 am UTC (link)
Or maybe sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.

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[info]tallerthanthou
2016-02-11 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Maybe they're the ones who should be sacrificed.

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[info]nico_di_angelo
2016-02-12 11:40 pm UTC (link)
[Is the room getting darker? Yes. You're upsetting the godly teenager.] Maybe you need to think more carefully about the consequences of your actions.

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