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Theodore Nott (forgetme_nott) wrote in hogwarts_dawn,
@ 2021-05-09 09:28:00

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character: harry potter, character: lily evans potter, character: padma patil, character: savannah monroe, character: theodore nott

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Things have been unusually quiet. That being said I acknowledge my part in the unprecedented unravelling of the structure we had in place. There is nothing I can do to go back and correct that. That is done and we move forward.

For the sake of clearing the air, we are a collection of 20 plus witches and wizards. All opinions are valid, everyone is connected to the government because we are so very limited in numbers.

Rather than focus on who is Minister, as that has drawn out nothing but silence, perhaps for the sake of necessity we can all discuss what we want, where we want to strive to be and how best to get that done.

Move on and move forward as a collective unit rather than a collection of factions.
Talk to me. Talk to each other. Talk. Argue if you must. The silence is deafening.
Thoughts?

[Warded to Harry Potter]
You and I need to have a conversation.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-09 02:00 pm UTC (link)

What I want is to never hear the words minister, ministry, international community every again.

On a different note, I'm sorry I snapped at you, but being told that this has an easy fix, and as you can see it doesn't, implied not so subtly that we weren't doing anything and that hurt.

Jamie and I were saying how people were pulling away already and this- well it was the last straw. We thought that some common activities might have helped but I think we're past that point of a joint dinner.

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forgetme_nott
2021-05-09 03:19 pm UTC (link)

I cant promise that. I can promise to keep it from the conversation we are having now.

I understand. I could have been nicer and more sympathetic.

That is the hope of having an open discourse now, to push past the situation at hand. We have people here from various times and situations, however I do think we can work towards creating some sense of commonality between us. Activities could work. Clubs. Not keeping discussions strictly to the immediate concerns.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-09 03:24 pm UTC (link)

Oh I know it's not possible and shouldn't be. I get the importance of it all, but you asked about my thoughts so I figured I'd share.

It's all right. We were all on edge.

I wasn't being flippant when I said we were thinking about a big dinner. It seemed like the easiest thing and we weren't even being ambitious and were thinking about Styx, but considering how that turned out, I'm not sure I want to suggest anything else. The next Quidditch game might start a third war.

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	forgetme_nott 2021-05-09 03:39 pm UTC (link)
	We could do something along those lines. I'm willing to try most things. We could have a concert, if the Weird Sisters are open to it. We could have a meal. We could do all those things, if people are willing to mingle with everyone. Not just those in their immediate circles. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-09 03:50 pm UTC (link)
	Theo, are you mad, suggesting a meal after what happened? It feels like you’re doing it on purpose to rub it in his face. Maybe we just need to give people time alone and let them calm down and then we see what happens. You can’t force people to like each other. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-09 04:11 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not. As I said, I'm open to anything at this point. We cant force people to like each other but we can motivate people to try or consider it at the least. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-09 04:17 pm UTC (link)
	You seriously don’t see how it looks that you are suggesting a meal after you fought with Mr Potter because you didn’t want to have dinner with the rest of us. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-09 04:23 pm UTC (link)
	I mentioned a concert you had previously mentioned a meal, I added to it. It's not always wheels within wheels. If people want to be angry with me they are allowed. It's not the intent. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-09 05:11 pm UTC (link)
	Right but that was before. I wouldn’t suggest it now. I don’t know that people are upset with you but the situation. Well Mr Potter might be. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-09 05:24 pm UTC (link)
	Noted. I dont know what anyone is thinking. It's too quiet. Oh. I know for a fact he is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-09 07:18 pm UTC (link)
	It is quiet. I'm surprised that I'm the only one commenting until now. Do you care? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 02:43 am UTC (link)
	Up and to a certain degree. Things are peculiar. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-10 03:08 am UTC (link)
	I'll need a little more than peculiar. I admit that I'm surprised that you care at all though. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 03:31 am UTC (link)
	I cant really say since it's not my situation to share. I have some things I need to know about why he's as mad as he is. It's a little disproportional to the situation. Odd conclusions. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo savannah_monroe 2021-05-10 03:46 am UTC (link)
	So it's another mystery to unravel. Careful, because this one is prone to hexing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Savannah/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 03:51 am UTC (link)
	I'll be fine. This one wont talk to me. So it's at a standstill. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Harry/Theo ab_harry 2021-05-09 02:01 pm UTC (link)
	The day I marry Voldemort you can talk to me. Until then, don't talk to me, don't look at me, don't say my name, don't think about me. Also before you start with your stupid comments, this is my one and only reply to you. As far as I'm concerned, you don't exist. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Harry/Theo forgetme_nott 2021-05-09 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sure you'll have beautiful children. Please take that as the joke it obviously is. You really hate me, dont you? (Reply to this) (Parent)

lotusraven
2021-05-09 08:05 pm UTC (link)

What do I want? To figure out what's happening here. We know the basics, but we also don't know so much more about how the castle is even managing to do this, what it truly wants, what control we have over our own lives. We may not even be here for the international community to worry about come tomorrow for all we truly know.

And I want to know what happened to our world beyond 'we created a curse'. What did we create? How can we keep ourselves from accidentally recreating or triggering it again?

~~I want to feel safe trusting the people in charge again.~~

Theo
I also want to know what happened to the veil when the Ministry was moved or abandoned, but I doubt anyone else will understand that wish.

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forgetme_nott
2021-05-10 02:39 am UTC (link)

I said to someone earlier that my concerns are much the same. Our sustainability in uncertain conditions trouble me more than other issues at play. We are at a woeful disadvantage. We need to focus on the immediate concern of the castle first.

I'd like to know the same. I wonder how much does outside of the country know of the situation?

Padma
At least I do. To be honest, I wish we could go look for answers. But we are sort of jailed in here, so to speak.

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lotusraven
2021-05-10 03:59 am UTC (link)

And, yet, I don't think I would go that far, so far as to say it is the immediate concern. I think we're a small group with several things we need to focus on equally, which is what makes it so difficult to feel like much is or can be accomplished in a short time. And, it's been a very short time, only three months the longest anyone has been here.

But, the immediate question of the castle is one focus. The international community is another, at the very least ascertaining if they will let us function in peace. But, also, pure survival, recovering what's been lost of our society, and building a better foundation for moving forward. I think all of those need equal attention.

We can't all be focused on the same one thing to the detriment of the others.

Theo
Are we? There were plenty of excursions before I arrived here from what I've been told. And nothing happened until one person left on a more permanent basis. There has to be a safe way for those who need to to go out and explore, to look for answers. At the very least we should be allowed to go to our own family homes to see what may have been left behind there.

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forgetme_nott
2021-05-10 12:00 pm UTC (link)

It's my immediate concern. I do rank it higher on my list but that being said it's not that I don't see any validity in the other issues. I just see things as I see them. I can meet halfway on things if I feel it's on the table.

No. We can't. So I write and I hope we can all try.

Padma
I feel I am, which is bothersome. I like my little freedoms. I feel my movement is more restricted than others certainly now at the moment. As you can guess, I've really stepped in something this time. There are many ways it can be done, but it's not been a priority. Or maybe just not much open dialogue. There is a whole world out there, a future I'd very much like to see. I would like to see my home again, just to see what's there if anything.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-10 02:50 pm UTC (link)

It's my immediate concern.

And this is my entire point in a nutshell. We all have immediate concerns and we don't agree with each other what those concerns are nor do we trust each other with those concerns now that the glue holding us together is gone. I trusted Mr. Potter to do the right thing always.

I don't know how I'm supposed to trust anyone else to do the right thing for everyone and not 'for his people', when we have such different opinions, which is why we should leave together so no one gets fucked over by the castle.

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forgetme_nott
2021-05-10 03:01 pm UTC (link)

Talking helps. Nothing gets resolved without talking or fighting or a bit of both.

If one person leaving causes everyone to be punished how severe do you think the punishment will be if everyone tries? Do you think it will really be that easy? Do you think it will let us? It sent people away it could send us all away.

I could lie and pretend I dont care about the things I do or that they dont matter more to me than others. But that's not exactly an open discourse.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-10 03:05 pm UTC (link)

Talking doesn't build trust. And we have been able to leave together to check Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade. So we leave and we don't come back. Can't get us if we're not here, because if it could, Glenda wouldn't be living the life in France.

I'm not asking you to lie. I'm saying maybe it's time to think outside the box. Isn't what you and Padma want? Outside the box means considering leaving this castle.

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	forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 03:11 pm UTC (link)
	There is another option. I could just leave. It might resolve most things. Everything can go back as it was. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	savannah_monroe 2021-05-10 03:12 pm UTC (link)
	How is that an option? You leave, we get fucked over by the castle in some form or another. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 03:20 pm UTC (link)
	I am trying to do something to mitigate some losses here, which seem to be going poorly. It would seem that I might be more of a hindrance than help in some regards. So it's a matter of how the scales are weighed. It's not my first choice but might be best long term. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	savannah_monroe 2021-05-10 03:39 pm UTC (link)
	The damage is done, though. I don't think that you leaving will bring things back to the way they were two weeks ago. The problems and distrust that has been created will stay and we don't know what the castle will do to us. It's seems like there are only drawbacks to you leaving by yourself. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 03:58 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know. I think I somehow have agitated more than I should, so maybe nothing will happen. Even trying to fix things it seems I make them worse. It's been a very odd series of days. It's just an option. I can entertain most options. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	savannah_monroe 2021-05-10 03:52 am UTC (link)
	If that's so much of a concern, why don't we just leave? All of us. At this point, we're not a society, we're nothing. We all leave the castle like Glenda did and we're good. Also why would you want to know about the curse? Just don't research weird reproductive spells and we're done. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

lotusraven
2021-05-10 04:20 am UTC (link)

And go where? Some still have their family homes, but most do not. Most of us would have no way of travelling through muggle means as Glenda did. So, we can't leave the country, since we're not allowed into any of them. And what about those who come after us? Or the muggleborns that have been born and will continue to be born?

We will never be a society if we all just leave to fend for ourselves as best we can.

As for the curse, the creation of new spells is not a cut and dried process. Was it researching 'weird reproductive spells' that caused the curse? Or was it the method used to bind them? Was it even reproductive spells and not some sort of persuasion spell? Or the combination of the two? Was it the magic itself or the addition of muggle science? In the future, if a desperate couple having trouble conceiving were to try both accepted magical and muggle methods, would it cause the same reaction? Or, what if other branches of muggle science were merged with other branches of magic? Is it limited to only reproductive needs, or could it possibly be any combination of science and magic?

While it is a far less pressing question than that of the castle, it still bears some looking into, not to replicate what was done, but understand it and prevent it in the future.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-10 05:15 am UTC (link)

I'll start with the last one since it's the easiest and go in reverse order. If something is known, eventually someone will use that knowledge, so the best way to prevent it is not to know it.

As for the curse, who knows and who cares? We have perfectly good spells for people who can't conceive. For those couples who can't despite the spells, then maybe it's a sign not to play God. It's sort of like Immortality. Sure you could seek it, but it's probably not what you're meant to do. Also considering the people here, the issue of fertility won't be an issue for decades. Also here's another suggestion, don't mix Muggle stuff with magic ever for any branch. Again, easy solution. It sounds like you guys want to research it because it's 'cool'. Guess what else is cool? Quidditch, but you don't see me running off and joining the Bulgarian National Team.

So we're not a society. I don't see how it's any different from now.

Muggleborns? Are you out of your bloody mind? Bringing them here now is irresponsible and it should be bloody illegal, because you endanger anyone you bring here. They have done fine without us, let them.

New arrivals? You made it clear that new arrivals have it terrible, with no say on how things are done. Guess what? They wouldn't have to worry. They get here, eventually make their way to Hogsmeade and they find papers that we leave.

To the last point: how about Hogsmeade? Or Diagon Alley? Plenty of houses and the owners are dead. Take one you like, take the stuff you need and you're done. Whoever stays behind can get a monthly stipend to buy Muggle products and given time, you can learn to live in the Muggle world.

It's got to be better than being at the whims of the castle and each other, because at this point, I'm not seeing any of the benefits of being together when we can't stand each other and all of the downsides of being forced here. We'll be safer and mentally better away from here.

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lotusraven
2021-05-10 06:44 am UTC (link)

For a start, I never said I expected to be able to research the curse. Do I want to? Yes. Do I think that being afraid of knowledge because someone someday might misuse it is shortsighted? Again, yes. But I am neither advocating for it nor intending to run out and do it.

Nor did I say people who arrive have it terrible. I did put forth a hypothesis that the reason the newer people were being so vocal was because they'd had no say in the decision before and had one now. And I stand by that. I may have my own reasons for not trusting Harry, but I was also perfectly willing to work with him as Minister as that was the hand I was dealt. Suggesting alternatives when he quit and no one seemed to want to do anything one way or another to fill that gap is not saying the way things are is terrible. It's saying that something needs to be done and if no one wants to move on as things are, maybe it's time for a change.

I also said nothing about whether we should or should not bring muggleborns here. I merely asked what we should do about them if we leave. As I am unaware that anyone has reached out to them yet, I don't see how we can know they've done fine without us.

But, I also don't see how living in separate disconnected groups with no real connection to each other or three muggle worldis going to be any better state of affairs.

I also don't see that we all can't stand each other. In fact, I think most of us are tolerant of most of the others. Are there some who don't get along? Of course. There always will be in any group of people greater than a handful. Are there some who don't know each other well? Again, of course. Not everyone is capable of opening up to strangers after just a few weeks. But, for the most part, I see no evidence that more than a few people feel strongly enough to say they can't stand each other.

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savannah_monroe
2021-05-10 02:32 pm UTC (link)

And I want to know what happened to our world beyond 'we created a curse'. What did we create? How can we keep ourselves from accidentally recreating or triggering it again?

What's to stop you to research it? The only one putting limits was Mr. Potter and he's gone. With people doing what they want, you're pretty free to do it.

And that's really the point for EVERYTHING. Now we're at the whim's of what each person's want and we feel the consequences from the castle. I'd rather live in the Muggle world or see if I can make my way to the rest of Europe that rely on people here doing what's right.

You keep making assumptions and then saying 'I said nothing'. Well, if Muggleborns shouldn't be here, I don't see why you brought them up in the first place. Also the WORST that can happen to them without knowing about magic is that they are a basket case, so basically like almost everyone here. At least they aren't at the mercy of an inanimate object.

It's going to be better because we'll be HAPPY and we won't have to deal with anyone we don't like, because being tolerant isn't the same as liking or being happy. Also you might want to stop reading books and you'll see that most people don't want to be with each other.

And again NONE of that stops us from going to Hogsmeade or Diagon Alley. Whowever wants to stay together can stay and whoever doesn't want to can leave instead of being here.

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	ab_harry 2021-05-10 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	Most of us would have no way of travelling through muggle means as Glenda did. Just get a map and twenty minutes and you'll have average knowledge of the Muggleworld. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	forgetme_nott 2021-05-10 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	You are funny. I wouldn't say that. But it might be enough for a short walk. (Reply to this) (Parent)

lovingsacrifice
2021-05-10 05:40 am UTC (link)

Far be it from me to assume, but I think what people might want is a sense of stability, as far as who we look to for certain things, and what's expected of everyone. I know that personally, I would like to see people working together to help us all survive and even thrive, whether it be here or in some other location.

It seems to be that there's a multitude of different ideas on how we should proceed, which has caused the factions you mentioned to form. The only thing that has become universally apparent is that so far, nobody wants to be the one we all look to for guidance, since that places any and all responsibility squarely on their shoulders whether we fail or succeed.

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forgetme_nott
2021-05-10 12:21 pm UTC (link)

I'm sure people do want stability and survival, it's a natural thing to desire what makes us safe and comfortable.

There are several trains of thought more prevalent than others but knowing how to proceed requires people to speak up in some capacity. If we can all come to some sort of understanding, it would be helpful to move past this recent roadblock and avoid similar issues in the future.

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