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Hemingway. ([info]ernestoic) wrote in [info]compass_network,
@ 2013-11-12 11:48:00

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Entry tags:jake sully, ~jason murphy, ~peggy carter


They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.

Hit in the head you will die quickly and cleanly even sweetly and fittingly except for the white blinding flash that never stops, unless perhaps it is only the frontal bone or your optic nerve that is smashed, or your jaw carried away, or your nose and cheek bones gone so you can still think but you have no face to talk with. But if you are not hit in the head you will be hit in the chest, and choke in it, or in the lower belly, and feel it all slip and slide loosely as you open, to spill out when you try to get up, it's not supposed to be so painful but they always scream with it, it's the idea I suppose, or have the flash, the slamming clang of high explosive on a hard road and find your legs are gone above the knee, or maybe just a foot gone and watch the white bone sticking through your puttee, or watch them take a boot off with your foot a mush inside it, or feel an arm flop and learn how a bone feels grating, or you will burn, choke and vomit, or be blown to hell a dozen ways, without sweetness or fittingness: but none of this means anything. No catalogue of horrors ever kept men from war. Before the war you always think that it's not you that dies. But you will die, brother, if you go to it long enough.


[ooc- copyright, Ernest Hemingway, 'Notes on the Next War'.]



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[info]jasonmurphy
2013-11-12 08:02 am UTC (link)
We have actual soldiers on the island. I'm not an expert or nothing, but I think this could bring back bad memories for them. Maybe you should put a warning in front of the graphic stuff?

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 08:59 am UTC (link)
I might have been a medic, and not an "actual" soldier, but I was severely injured in the Great War. I speak from my experiences with the ambulances. This is not a piece of fiction. Real life doesn't come with warnings.

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[info]aphotic_auror
2013-11-12 09:03 am UTC (link)
Indeed, it really doesn't, do it, sweet? I mean...

Did you happen to time-travel Before this island, possibly? I mean, the idea of a bullet - or a curse, rather - taking away a nose, or an eye.... Well, it reminds me of something that happened to an old - commander of mine, I suppose the term is....! I mean, he lost a bloody leg, too, but... well... The idea of his very face going away sealed the comparison for me, rather!

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 02:55 pm UTC (link)
No, no, although I do believe that I met a time traveler, and I know a- friend of mine- went backwards and stayed there.

I suppose it happens in all wars.

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[info]aphotic_auror
2013-11-12 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Indeed, it really does - and I can just thank G-d, if you believe in Him, that it wasn't me who came home with a bloodied-up, roughed-up face like old "Mad-Eye" Moody's....! Hah!

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Yes, it would be a shame with such a pretty indeed.

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Ernest | Rhonda - [info]aphotic_auror, 2013-11-12 05:25 pm UTC
Re: Ernest | Rhonda - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 05:34 pm UTC
Ernest | Rhonda - [info]aphotic_auror, 2013-11-12 05:42 pm UTC
Re: Ernest | Rhonda - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 06:20 pm UTC
Ernest | Rhonda - [info]aphotic_auror, 2013-11-12 06:54 pm UTC
Ernest | Rhonda - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-19 05:22 pm UTC
Re: Ernest | Rhonda - [info]aphotic_auror, 2013-11-19 05:30 pm UTC
Re: Ernest | Rhonda - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-19 05:48 pm UTC
Re: Ernest | Rhonda - [info]aphotic_auror, 2013-11-19 05:51 pm UTC

[info]jasonmurphy
2013-11-12 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Id consider that an actual solider. I didn't mean any offense, I don't know you.

We're from different worlds then. Warnings were posted all over the place, where I'm from.

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[info]the_autodidact
2013-11-12 02:41 pm UTC (link)
HAH! you aren't kidding, really! I mean, for serious, I think that there were warnings about the G-d-damned warnings in our time - assuming, of course, that you also happen to be from the early 21st century, naturally enough....! Hah... Sorry, sir...

Anyway's, well... To the OP: those are some horribly and yet wonderfully graphic images.... I mean, I think that it's... um.... I want to say.... Kees, maybe...? I'm not sure, actually; sorry.

((Ooc: Yes yes, I know who it is, but Spence probably only read Hemingway once or twice in uni, for an introductory lit class of some sort...! X-D <3 <3 <3 I mean, his MUM was a CLASSICS professor, and thus - well - I doubt anything newer than Byron was in his library as a child....! lol!))

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 02:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm from the early 20th, in fact. And I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I wrote it myself.

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(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 03:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 03:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 04:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 04:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 04:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 05:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 06:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-12 06:38 pm UTC

[info]jasonmurphy
2013-11-13 06:47 am UTC (link)
Yup. I'm from 2009 to be precise. Name's Jason.

There were ridiculous warnings back home, like warnings on chainsaws about which end to hold. If you need a warning to tell you that, then you shouldn't be using chainsaws. But the network's different. Everyone uses it. Even my kid sister.

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(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-13 07:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jasonmurphy, 2013-11-13 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_autodidact, 2013-11-13 02:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jasonmurphy, 2013-11-13 03:05 pm UTC

[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 02:53 pm UTC (link)
I took no offense. It was hardly counted as an actual soldier by most, however, certain medical conditions prevented me from being front line.

I see. Yes, I am rather behind everyone else, you see.

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 11:51 am UTC (link)
(Ooc- I just realised this may be also a more ooc request, in which case I can put an ooc cut even though he is a stubborn git.)

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[info]offthepeg
2013-11-12 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Dulce et Decorum est pro patria mori

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Yes, exactly what prompted this.

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[info]offthepeg
2013-11-12 01:49 pm UTC (link)
I can't regret the cause, but I'll always regret the loss.

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[info]anotherhellhole
2013-11-12 03:35 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, thanks for that.

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Soldier?

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[info]anotherhellhole
2013-11-12 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Marine.

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I see. Interesting. Not from my own era, I take it?

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[info]anotherhellhole
2013-11-12 05:00 pm UTC (link)
No. I fought in WWIII.

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(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 05:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anotherhellhole, 2013-11-12 05:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-12 06:16 pm UTC

[info]puddlejumppilot
2013-11-12 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Cheers buddy! Don't agree with you, but cheers anyway.

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 04:47 pm UTC (link)
You don't agree that soldiers die in horrible conditions in war?

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[info]puddlejumppilot
2013-11-12 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I don't agree with that, either, but in particular I don't agree with You will die like a dog for no good reason.

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[info]ernestoic
2013-11-12 05:05 pm UTC (link)
I don't see how you can't agree with their dying, it's a fact, hardly an opinion.

They do like dogs, although perhaps even with less dignity. In the Great War, we didn't have the time to bury them. They would either be carted off in a pile, chucked into a mass grave, burned to stop the smell and the disease- there was no sweetness in their death, no victory, nothing glorious.

I say it was for no good reason because they were fighting for an authority figure, for a government- and people on both sides thought that they were fighting for the right cause. But they were killing each other without being capable of having access to an objective viewpoint on the actual war. They died for a scrap of land no bigger than a postage stamp.

I do not set out to criticise the soldiers in any way at all. I would have signed up myself if I hadn't been medically incapable. I was so eager to go to war that I was a medical volunteer. But I speak from experience in that field. They died in agony, screaming, bleeding, body parts missing, every minute of every day.

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[info]puddlejumppilot
2013-11-13 08:28 am UTC (link)
Uh, not sure what you're reading, but I didn't agree with your view on how they die, not the fact they're dead. Brought home too many bodies from battle, or just patrol even.

And you need to meet a few of the folk we were protecting. I reckon they might have a different view to you too. They at least appreciated our help. For the most part.

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(no subject) - [info]ernestoic, 2013-11-13 09:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puddlejumppilot, 2013-11-13 08:05 pm UTC


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