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deezabee (iseethelight) wrote in capseroo,
@ 2017-11-20 13:34:00

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! male, #race/ethnicity: white, *requested, actor: ben barnes, age: 30s, also: beard, eye color: brown, hair color: brown, tv show: the punisher, ~icons: baobabble, ~icons: otokodake, ~icons: squarebox

Ben Barnes, 2, 088 caps

BEN BARNES AS BILLY RUSSO IN THE PUNISHER

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I laughed several times in the show because of how often people talked about how pretty he is IN THE SHOW. He is very, very pretty. I thought he did an excellent acting job, and frankly, I've always been a big fan so it was exciting to see him in this role. He was in more dark shots than a lot of the others. Classically.

Spoilers in the comments for him in the show.

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grapecase
2017-11-21 11:10 pm UTC (link)

"but the characters and fans who enable him lol."

I'll come back to the rest you wrote. But this. This I think is, in part, of my issue with him and Curt. And, eventually, that whole Micro convo to Dinah about saving Frank despite her learning he killed HER PARTNER. It's like I do ... I don't want to say love. But then I do (or maybe I love the concept, the execution, and delivery. But not the him? If that makes sense.) But COME ON!

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	grapecase 2017-11-21 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	Like maybe I shouldn't talk. Because my basic ass lowkey ships (kind of) Kastle. BUT I STILL WANT HIM TO GO TO JAIL. Even though we know THAT never works. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

iseethelight
2017-11-21 11:14 pm UTC (link)

LOL as I just replied to you Karen's relationship to him is baffling to me. I mean they have GREAT chemistry, I totally see it, it's just weird because it feels like they're bending her character to support him more. There was a lot of me going SRSLY THO when she's like oh he's a different kind of mass murderer than this bomber guy!!!! it's totally okay for him!!!!

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	grapecase 2017-11-21 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. I wish they had called that out more. When she was like. WHY WOULD HE THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS? And I was like really Karen. REALLY KAREN. FOR REALLY FOR REAL??? I honestly feel they give her more agency with Frank. BUT I can see why people would feel that way when she does thinks like that. LOL. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	iseethelight 2017-11-21 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	OF COURSE HE WOULD THINK YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS GOOD LORD WOMAN. I guess they give her more agency with Frank but only so much as she's still in his life and what he wants and his story. She's still not having her own agency in terms of her own plot and departure from the dudes in her life and what they need (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	grapecase 2017-11-22 12:08 am UTC (link)
	I think that is more at fault of them wanting to keep her backstory mysterious~ and trying to do so much with her at once. So it's hard to see the lines at times. (And also bc she fucking just waltzed into journalism bc they were like whoops we need one after we killed the black dude) (Reply to this) (Parent)

iseethelight
2017-11-21 11:12 pm UTC (link)

Well I kept thinking that about Karen, I've thought about this for awhile. I actually like Karen a lot but her behavior with him and her behavior with Matt is so counter and I'm really confused. Because she was constantly on Matt like YOU NEED TO QUIT and THIS IS BAD FOR YOU and DO NOT CROSS THE LINE. And really frustrated at him for being DD. But she is like weirdly 100% behind Castle outside of just wanting him to be safe???? He is a mass murderer!!!!! How does he get a pass????

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grapecase
2017-11-21 11:33 pm UTC (link)

I think it's a matter of truth and identity. It's a bit of that DC-Cartoon of - Lois Lane likes Bruce Wayne but not the Batman. Loves Superman but not Clark, I feel. I think she fell in love with Matt. I think it's less what he does and more he isn't what she thought. Just like I feel Karen is that perfect picket fence for Matt. He is the same for her. I also think that (I'm piecing together what I've read Deb say in interviews) she feels Matt, the Daredevil Matt would judge her sins harder than regular Matt?

While I know, from how she reacts to Frank and from interviews, Frank is a matter of 'if he can be absolved, then I can'. What she did is no where near Frank. But from what I can tell she's done something else. And I don't think she's 100%. I wish they had better explained her going from BYE to being like welp, I'm glad you're okay. I think she's resigned and I think she better understands that Frank needs it. I don't think she understands (or is ready to accept) that Matt does.

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	grapecase 2017-11-21 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	I think it's also that parallel thing. She identifies with something dark in Frank. That I guess she feel Matt doesn't have. In a way, it's sort of - though not entirely - where Matt won't listen when she's like I GOT THIS. And Frank is like, lol you were about to shoot a hole in my head weren't you? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

iseethelight
2017-11-21 11:39 pm UTC (link)

I guess, I just feel like it's a really inconsistent way of writing her. She seems like a completely different person around Frank than how they represent her in DD, and I get that could be her putting on a facade, but I don't think they've been very clear about her motivations. In general I find her lack of consistency frustrating. And her lack of holding Frank accountable for anything frustrating. I find everyone's lack of holding Frank accountable frustrating lol. I guess I just find hers particularly frustrating when I feel she holds other people to a different standard. But I guess that it makes sense it's because she sees Matt as someone better or someone who should/could be better, and that Frank's kind of a lost cause so she accepts him as he is.

IDK I just really get this sense that they warp her character to whichever dude she's playing off of at the time and I'd like to see her get more of her own story. When she's doing her own thing I'm like YES LET US CONTINUE THIS.

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grapecase
2017-11-21 11:54 pm UTC (link)

Nah, I feel you. I think they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of her. Setting her so quickly as that ideal girl for Matt. Her entire frickin journalist storyline. (I do feel she did more before but yeah in the Punisher it was a bit more of a slide). I think also it's hurt with Matt.

SOMEONE SAID THAT. LOL. Someone was like they prefer her with Foggy, if anyone. Because they sense that they twist her for Matt or for Frank as the LI they need at any given moment.

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iseethelight
2017-11-22 03:50 am UTC (link)

Yes and Foggy of all people I think would be like ... 100% supportive, understanding, would never want her to change, would of course give her all the agency in the world if she wanted it. I don't think it falls under the nice guy trope, because while he had a crush on her, he also moved on as soon as he saw where it was going and without any issue. And he's not constantly in danger or giving her gray hairs lol. I am all about Foggy and Karen basically.

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grapecase
2017-11-24 09:02 pm UTC (link)

Right? I don't think it does either. He never treats her like "a little lady" or some prize he has to work to earn. Yeah, he worries about her. But it's not like he worries about her MORE than he worries about Matt. He doesn't want her to go into danger, but he doesn't want Matt going into danger either. He also finds her capable besides (other than being against her running around kicking and being friends with bad guys).

Me too. TBH. I like Kastle but I am pretty sure I would drop it if Foggy and Karen became viable. BC they were my first ship. I thought for sure they would go that way. It made most sense to me.

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iseethelight
2017-11-24 10:00 pm UTC (link)

I like Kastle, there's definitely chemistry there, but I don't think it'd be the healthiest option for Karen lol. Foggy is the healthiest option for both of them! I really want them both to find happiness. They don't NEED to find it together, but it'd be good for them. But it may be she needs to deal with her shit before she gets to that point too. In the comics he was like that for Liz too if I remember.

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