~ When Tim was tracking King Snake's gang in his early days as Robin, Shiva trained him in use of the Bo. ~ When Bane broke Bruce's back, Shiva reluctantly retrained him. ~ When Cass' ability to read body language was mangled by a psychic rearranging her thoughts into English early in her days as Batgirl, Shiva helped her learn it again, since she'd be no worthy opponent without it. ~ She and Dinah have had a weird sensei and student relationship in the past.
She's hit a brick wall with each of them in trying to get them past the no-kill rule.