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drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-03 13:21:00

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creator: mark millar, title: ultimate comics avengers

Ultimate Avengers: Red Skull and the new Black Widow

This is from Wizard #213's article on Millar's Ultimate Avengers.

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	frell 2009-06-03 12:24 pm UTC (link)
	Osama? Uh, what? (Reply to this)

	aaron_bourque 2009-06-03 12:35 pm UTC (link)
	"Illegitimate son" . . . It's just tiresome. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	trueredorion 2009-06-03 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	He's also introducing Tony's never before seen brother Gregory whose smarter, richer and blond. He also has a suit of armor better then Tony's and is a teetotaler. I'm not joking. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neuhallidae 2009-06-03 01:57 pm UTC (link)
	Let me guess, he's so special that he gets to have all the supergenius with none of the brain mutation? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	greenmask 2009-06-03 03:44 pm UTC (link)
	I refuse to believe that you aren't joking. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	trueredorion 2009-06-03 04:14 pm UTC (link)
	See and believe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	greenmask 2009-06-03 04:15 pm UTC (link)
	{:'[ Meanie. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	neuhallidae 2009-06-03 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	Alright, the "he wears white, just to further the light/shadow" bit was where I rolled my eyes. Bets that he ends up a villain? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thanekos 2009-06-03 06:23 pm UTC (link)
	" who's really been supplying him " ... it's Ultimate Doom again, isn't it? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-06-04 01:50 am UTC (link)
	If he's really all that, then why didn't Fury just go to him in the first place? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-06-04 01:48 am UTC (link)
	GIP (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kagome654 2009-06-03 12:36 pm UTC (link)
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	moneyless_jew 2009-06-03 12:47 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, are we still hating everything Millar does? Okay. Well, I don't hate this. Civil War was lazy-ass work by him but his Ultimates is generally solid. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ghosty732 2009-06-03 12:49 pm UTC (link)
	Agreed. I think this would be easier to accept/cooler if there wasn't the whole Loeb CRAP happening between Millar's first two Ultimates and this stuff. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	moneyless_jew 2009-06-03 12:50 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I made a point of not reading it, except seeing bits online. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	midnightvoyager 2009-06-03 12:53 pm UTC (link)
	...I... don't hate everything he's done. ... But I hate this. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kagome654 2009-06-03 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	Same. I liked Red Son... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-06-03 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	Millar is surprisingly good at Superman. Everything else is subpar, and I'm sick of the Ultimate Universe being even more asshatty than the Marvel Universe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thehefner 2009-06-03 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Seconding this. His Superman work is generally stellar, but I loathe pretty much everything else he's written. Particularly THE ULTIMATES, since the tone and popularity of THE ULTIMATES contributed to regular 616 Marvel U to become the crap-hole of asshattery and douchebaggery it is today. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	darklorelei 2009-06-03 12:48 pm UTC (link)
	...What? (Reply to this)

	proteus_lives 2009-06-03 01:29 pm UTC (link)
	My question was, "Why the fuck would Millar spoiler this in goddamned Wizard?" LAME! (Reply to this)

	foxhack 2009-06-03 01:41 pm UTC (link)
	You know what really, REALLY bugs me about this? That Red Skull isn't even ... a Nazi. At most he's one of those inbred redneck wannabe Neo-Nazis. PLEASE let the REAL RED SKULL come by and kill his ass for taking the name. What the fuck is that, really? He looks more like Edward Norton's character in American History X than a real menace. (Reply to this) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2009-06-03 02:29 pm UTC (link)

But you already have the REAL Red Skull in the Marvel Universe.
Isn't one of the points of the Ultimate Universe to offer radical modern interpretations of characters?

Why would you want the Ultimate version to be just like the Marvel version?

I like the idea of it being an "American History X"-like villain. The American Neo-Nazi youth movement is so jarring and creepy, I would like to see comic books tackle it in an interesting way.

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	foxhack 2009-06-03 06:23 pm UTC (link)
	Also, to whoever left that comment for me, sorry but I can't reply to you until the comment is unscreened... >_< (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silicone_soul 2009-06-03 01:50 pm UTC (link)
	I look at that design of Red Skull, and all I can think of is this>/a>. (Reply to this)

statham1986
2009-06-03 02:14 pm UTC (link)

WOW! LOOK EVERYONE, It's Mark Millar trying to be stupidly provocative again!

In anyone else's hands, even Bendis', I know the idea of the Red Skull being Cap's own son would be handled pretty well, but as is, it just feels ridiculous and you know the Skull will just be this ridiculous, almost pantomine villain.

I do like the idea of Nick Fury, the badass Ultimate version who has taken shit off of no-one, so far, being ordered around and have his ass kicked by his wife, but I just take such an issue in the fact that there's been zero foreshadowing of this. If Millar had this in mind all along and didn't plan it in say, the last six months, we would've at least gotten some decent references to it, like Fury at least asking if his ex was okay during the two finales of Ultimates and Ultimates 2..

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(Anonymous)
2009-06-03 03:49 pm UTC (link)

"I do like the idea of Nick Fury, the badass Ultimate version who has taken shit off of no-one, so far, being ordered around and have his ass kicked by his wife, but I just take such an issue in the fact that there's been zero foreshadowing of this. If Millar had this in mind all along and didn't plan it in say, the last six months, we would've at least gotten some decent references to it, like Fury at least asking if his ex was okay during the two finales of Ultimates and Ultimates 2.."

But what if the idea didn't come to him until recently?
You say so yourself that its a good idea, but just because it wasn't introduced with the origin of Ult. Nick Fury, it can never be used?
If an idea is good, shouldn't it get the chance to be used, even if it refers to a piece of previously-unmentioned backstory in an artform that is based on serial installments?

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	sherkahn 2009-06-03 02:41 pm UTC (link)
	Someone get me a strong, sturdy desk. My forehead wants to make sweet love to it. Fail. (Reply to this)

	thanekos 2009-06-03 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	aww. i was hoping they'd end up retroactively calling that kleiser guy the Red Skrull. Just 'cause that would be funny. (Reply to this)

	jlbarnett 2009-06-03 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	I might appreciate some of these ideas in a new universe. THe UU has been going for a while now, though. So, NO! (Reply to this)

	ninjapeps 2009-06-03 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	all I care about is that Millar's writing the Ultimates again. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pensive1 2009-06-03 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-06-04 04:04 am UTC (link)
	I don't mind this. Millar being "stupidly provocative" is OKAY in the Ultimate Universe I think. It works. I can enjoy it. Now, if he'd just keep his dirty hands of 616 I'd be a happy camper. (Reply to this)