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June 3rd, 2009
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Ultimate Avengers: Red Skull and the new Black Widow

This is from Wizard #213's article on Millar's Ultimate Avengers.

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From:[info]frell
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)
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Osama? Uh, what?
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From:[info]aaron_bourque
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:35 pm (UTC)
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"Illegitimate son"

. . .

It's just tiresome.
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From:[info]trueredorion
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:57 pm (UTC)
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He's also introducing Tony's never before seen brother Gregory whose smarter, richer and blond. He also has a suit of armor better then Tony's and is a teetotaler. I'm not joking.
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From:[info]neuhallidae
Date:June 3rd, 2009 01:57 pm (UTC)
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Let me guess, he's so special that he gets to have all the supergenius with none of the brain mutation?
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From:[info]greenmask
Date:June 3rd, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
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I refuse to believe that you aren't joking.
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From:[info]trueredorion
Date:June 3rd, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
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See and believe.
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From:[info]greenmask
Date:June 3rd, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
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{:'[

Meanie.
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From:[info]neuhallidae
Date:June 3rd, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)
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Alright, the "he wears white, just to further the light/shadow" bit was where I rolled my eyes. Bets that he ends up a villain?
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From:[info]thanekos
Date:June 3rd, 2009 06:23 pm (UTC)
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" who's really been supplying him "

... it's Ultimate Doom again, isn't it?
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From:[info]unknownscribler
Date:June 4th, 2009 01:50 am (UTC)
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If he's really all that, then why didn't Fury just go to him in the first place?
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From:[info]unknownscribler
Date:June 4th, 2009 01:48 am (UTC)
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GIP
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From:[info]kagome654
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:36 pm (UTC)
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From:[info]moneyless_jew
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:47 pm (UTC)
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Oh, are we still hating everything Millar does? Okay.

Well, I don't hate this. Civil War was lazy-ass work by him but his Ultimates is generally solid.
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From:[info]ghosty732
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:49 pm (UTC)
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Agreed.

I think this would be easier to accept/cooler if there wasn't the whole Loeb CRAP happening between Millar's first two Ultimates and this stuff.
From:[info]moneyless_jew
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:50 pm (UTC)
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Well, I made a point of not reading it, except seeing bits online.
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From:[info]midnightvoyager
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:53 pm (UTC)
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...I... don't hate everything he's done.

...

But I hate this.
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From:[info]kagome654
Date:June 3rd, 2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
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Same.

I liked Red Son...
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From:[info]aaron_bourque
Date:June 3rd, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
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Millar is surprisingly good at Superman.

Everything else is subpar, and I'm sick of the Ultimate Universe being even more asshatty than the Marvel Universe.
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From:[info]thehefner
Date:June 3rd, 2009 09:04 pm (UTC)
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Seconding this. His Superman work is generally stellar, but I loathe pretty much everything else he's written.

Particularly THE ULTIMATES, since the tone and popularity of THE ULTIMATES contributed to regular 616 Marvel U to become the crap-hole of asshattery and douchebaggery it is today.
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From:[info]darklorelei
Date:June 3rd, 2009 12:48 pm (UTC)
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...What?
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From:[info]proteus_lives
Date:June 3rd, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
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My question was, "Why the fuck would Millar spoiler this in goddamned Wizard?"

LAME!
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From:[info]foxhack
Date:June 3rd, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC)
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You know what really, REALLY bugs me about this?

That Red Skull isn't even ... a Nazi. At most he's one of those inbred redneck wannabe Neo-Nazis.

PLEASE let the REAL RED SKULL come by and kill his ass for taking the name. What the fuck is that, really? He looks more like Edward Norton's character in American History X than a real menace.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 3rd, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC)
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But you already have the REAL Red Skull in the Marvel Universe.
Isn't one of the points of the Ultimate Universe to offer radical modern interpretations of characters?

Why would you want the Ultimate version to be just like the Marvel version?

I like the idea of it being an "American History X"-like villain. The American Neo-Nazi youth movement is so jarring and creepy, I would like to see comic books tackle it in an interesting way.
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From:[info]foxhack
Date:June 3rd, 2009 06:23 pm (UTC)
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Also, to whoever left that comment for me, sorry but I can't reply to you until the comment is unscreened... >_<
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From:[info]silicone_soul
Date:June 3rd, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
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I look at that design of Red Skull, and all I can think of is this>/a>.
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From:[info]statham1986
Date:June 3rd, 2009 02:14 pm (UTC)
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WOW! LOOK EVERYONE, It's Mark Millar trying to be stupidly provocative again!

In anyone else's hands, even Bendis', I know the idea of the Red Skull being Cap's own son would be handled pretty well, but as is, it just feels ridiculous and you know the Skull will just be this ridiculous, almost pantomine villain.

I do like the idea of Nick Fury, the badass Ultimate version who has taken shit off of no-one, so far, being ordered around and have his ass kicked by his wife, but I just take such an issue in the fact that there's been zero foreshadowing of this. If Millar had this in mind all along and didn't plan it in say, the last six months, we would've at least gotten some decent references to it, like Fury at least asking if his ex was okay during the two finales of Ultimates and Ultimates 2..
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Date:June 3rd, 2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
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"I do like the idea of Nick Fury, the badass Ultimate version who has taken shit off of no-one, so far, being ordered around and have his ass kicked by his wife, but I just take such an issue in the fact that there's been zero foreshadowing of this. If Millar had this in mind all along and didn't plan it in say, the last six months, we would've at least gotten some decent references to it, like Fury at least asking if his ex was okay during the two finales of Ultimates and Ultimates 2.."

But what if the idea didn't come to him until recently?
You say so yourself that its a good idea, but just because it wasn't introduced with the origin of Ult. Nick Fury, it can never be used?
If an idea is good, shouldn't it get the chance to be used, even if it refers to a piece of previously-unmentioned backstory in an artform that is based on serial installments?
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From:[info]sherkahn
Date:June 3rd, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
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Someone get me a strong, sturdy desk. My forehead wants to make sweet love to it.

Fail.
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From:[info]thanekos
Date:June 3rd, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
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aww.

i was hoping they'd end up retroactively calling that kleiser guy the Red Skrull. Just 'cause that would be funny.
From:[info]jlbarnett
Date:June 3rd, 2009 07:15 pm (UTC)
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I might appreciate some of these ideas in a new universe. THe UU has been going for a while now, though. So, NO!
From:[info]ninjapeps
Date:June 3rd, 2009 08:04 pm (UTC)
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all I care about is that Millar's writing the Ultimates again.
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From:[info]pensive1
Date:June 3rd, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
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THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From:[info]arilou_skiff
Date:June 4th, 2009 04:04 am (UTC)
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I don't mind this.

Millar being "stupidly provocative" is OKAY in the Ultimate Universe I think. It works. I can enjoy it.

Now, if he'd just keep his dirty hands of 616 I'd be a happy camper.
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