Daily Scans - The Lasso of Truth
May 30th, 2009
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The Lasso of Truth

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From:[info]bluefall
Date:May 30th, 2009 06:41 pm (UTC)
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See also: Why her holding the lasso in FINAL CRISIS and still being Anti-lifed Does Not Work.

As a side note, can I tell you how weird it is to me that people read my LJ just to argue with me? Particularly that guy. I was already ignoring him back when WFA was still linking him, and it's not like he's ever come to my journal to argue that I'm aware of.
From:[info]aegof.livejournal.com
Date:May 30th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
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I just assumed that it meant the anti-life equation was true.
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From:[info]bluefall
Date:May 30th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
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Doesn't work that way. The Truth of who Diana is is not a sadist or a pawn of Darkseid. The Truth is that the things the Furies believe and hold sacred are not things Diana believes or holds sacred, and using the Lasso would have brought that True kernel of Diana to the surface. The only way to change that, to make the ALE!Wondy "true," would be to completely obliterate Diana - to make her, basically, Genocide. Nothing left but the body. In which case, it wouldn't have been possible to rescue or restore her.
From:[info]aegof.livejournal.com
Date:May 30th, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
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I have no problem assuming that if Anti-life can undo Life, then the reverse is also true.
From:[info]xammax
Date:May 30th, 2009 08:46 pm (UTC)
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The Anti-Life worked for one simple reason; The Anti-Life was stronger. This was proven by the Greek Gods being ousted, and having their lasso and other powers fail them. I think Anti-Life didn't so much as make Diana a slave and a masochist against herself, but changed the reality of who she was, on a higher level then she had been created on.

Anti-Life was, and with the exception of a very very crappy mini we will not speak of, has always been sold as the almost the source code of will and existence. In Final Crisis Darkseid just was, if you will. It wasn't until Darkseid, that source of the new reality, was physically killed by Batman and wiped away by Superman and his machine that the lasso could star to restore the original truth, because Darkseid had created a new one. One that treated Diana in not the best way.
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From:[info]bluefall
Date:May 30th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
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Ah, but we're not talking about the Olympians, we're talking about the Truth. The lasso is not an Olympian power. The lasso works every bit as well against Olympians as it does against mortals. Their rise and fall is incidental and irrelevant to its effectiveness.

Further, Darkseid can't have re-written reality in the way you posit, for the simple reason that the ALE wasn't irresistible. You can paint shit on your face to stop it from affecting you. You can get kissed by Flash and that stops it from affecting you. You can cut off the transmission before you hear it and that stops it from affecting you. That's not a reality rewrite. If it were an immovable object-irresistible force thing, that would be one thing - it no one is exempt from the ALE, there's almost an argument there. But if the ALE's mind-control can be resisted, the lasso must be one of the things that breaks it, because the lasso is an irresistible force. And the ALE can be resisted, and is therefore not an immovable object. The lasso wins.
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From:[info]jackissuperfly
Date:May 30th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
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The real answer is that Grant Morrison doesn't like Wonder Woman. And I don't mean that in a meta way, I mean that's an almost legitimate explanation for what's going on in the story. Everything that Grant Morrison writes of late revolves around the idea of the meta-narrative, stories about stories. The author is actually a force within the story, and bends physics to his will. Grant Morrison is a prick, so the story bends in that particular direction.
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From:[info]bluefall
Date:May 31st, 2009 11:43 am (UTC)
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Well, yes. My screed here is basically "Morrison suffered massive continuity!fail and respect!fail." Whether that's a meta consideration or an actual in-universe explanation is a bit beside the point. ^.^
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From:[info]cmdr_zoom
Date:May 31st, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
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Motto.
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From:[info]unknownscribler
Date:May 30th, 2009 10:58 pm (UTC)
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Okay, is there any reason why Diana should feel compelled to tell the truth when she's not actually bound by the lasso?
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