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Tweak says, "hello world"

bluefall (bluefall) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-05-16 14:52:00

Entry tags:

char: cheetah/barbara minerva, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: gail simone, creator: greg rucka, publisher: dc comics, series: when wondy was awesome, series: world of wondy

WWwA update, and Diana's take on 24
Look, pretty Diana!

For those who're interested, Chapter 17 of When Wondy was Awesome (in which Veronica Cale is Not A Nice Person and Diana writes a book) is now up at my journal. I can't put it here, because while each individual chapter is actually not so bad, the Rucka set as a whole is in flagrant violation of the 1/3 rule, and there was no way I could trim it down from the 1/2 issue format of our old LJ incarnation without shredding it. But it's good stuff, so go over there anyway. ^_^

Offered, for once, without comment.

From Rucka:

From Simone:

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bluefall
2009-05-16 10:11 pm UTC (link)

Torture's not always about getting information. It can be about asserting dominance, instilling fear, coercing a particular behavior, or simply an exercise in sadism. Breaking a guy's fingers because he failed to come up with the money he owed you isn't going to get you information, but that doesn't make it any less torture. Beating and raping the new inmate because he needs to know he's at the bottom of the totem pole isn't going to get you information, but that doesn't make it any less torture. Branding the uppity POW to stop him leading prisoner revolts isn't going to get you information, but that doesn't make it any less torture.

Dinah hit Ollie to assert dominance. Bruce smacked Cluemaster around to coerce behavior. If torture is just (any degree of violence + motive associated with torture), they're both torturers.

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batcookies
2009-05-16 10:36 pm UTC (link)

Well that's where it all gets a bit sticky, doesn't it? Because hurting someone to get information IS torturing them (and yes, there are many other things that are torture too), so where do you draw the line? Cutting the face is okay, cutting the tail is not? Or maybe cutting the tail and the face are okay, since she's got a healing ability, but something else isn't? Even in the real world it's all very murky, and we can make up all the rules we want, but it's not exactly science. We can't hook up people to a machine that beeps when what you're doing is getting dangerously close to being torture (and I'm not sure what kind of consensus we'd get if we went out and tested people to find out where they really feel the "do not cross" line is). It's not something that's clear and well defined at all and I hope that "The Avatar of Truth" doesn't end up saying otherwise.

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