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starwolf_oakley (starwolf_oakley) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-05-07 03:12:00

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char: saavik, char: spock, title: star trek untold voyages

The 11th Star Trek movie comes out tomorrow, and the Trekker in me knows the plot is going to go beyond "how everyone met each other at the Academy." (Which, according to William Shatner, they kicked around as a plot for Star Trek VI.) But I do wonder about...

EDIT: Two pages removed.

This is from Star Trek: The Untold Voyages #2. This short-lived series (from when Marvel had the Star Trek license in the 1990s) covered the time between THE MOTION PICTURE and WRATH OF KHAN. Spock is back on Earth.

Exposition is fun!

Saavik's background was covered in Star Trek novel "The Pandora Principle." Of course, most Star Trek novels are of "questionable" canon.

Vulcans have very strong emotions going on at all times. (Every Star Trek series has had at least one "a Vulcan goes batshit" episode. Even DS9.) They use logic to control themselves and make correct choices. I wonder if Spock being half-human allows him *better* self-control than most Vulcans.

Spock shows Saavik a statue of Surak, the founder of the Vulcan Logic movement.

The teaching of Surak caused half the population to leave Vulcan and become Romulans. Some of Surak's teachings were twisted over the centuries, so the Vulcans on "Star Trek: Enterprise" were arrogant jerks who looked down at the lowly emotional humans.

Wouldn't *any* Vulcan child, half-Romulan or not, have a hard time fitting in after ten years of not knowing the "proper" way to be Vulcan?

Spock never mind-melding with Sarek was first mentioned in part 2 of TNG's "Unification." Trekkers speculate that Vulcan children don't mind-meld with their parents *because* it is so personal. After all, would *you* want to accidentally experience first-hand the memory of your parents conceiving you?

Spock tells T'Pris that Saavik will be leaving Earth for a new parth. T'Pris notes that Saavik seems more mature.

How nice. And it explains why some fans thought "Saavik-kam" meant she was Spock's sister

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	Mod Note parsimonia 2009-05-07 12:08 pm UTC (link)
	You've got 9 pages posted here. If the comic is your standard 22-page, you've included 2 too many here, and 2 must be removed in order to keep in line with our 1/3 or less rule. Thanks. (Reply to this)

	jeyl 2009-05-07 01:12 pm UTC (link)
	Aww. I had no idea these two had such a history. I love how this will all lead up to Saavik helping the young regenerated Spock cope with his Pon Far madness. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-07 01:48 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair the trailers themselves hint that the plot is not at all that simple. :D :D :D [7 hours and counting for me! squee!] (Reply to this) (Thread)

	starwolf_oakley 2009-05-08 12:34 am UTC (link)
	I have some reservations about Kirk's "What are you talking to me for, maaaaaan?" line. Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised . (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-08 12:35 pm UTC (link)
	I honestly think anyone who doesn't like this movie is simply determined to hate it because it's not a "traditional" Star Trek film. but omfg is it good. WOW. (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-05-07 01:51 pm UTC (link)

Saavik's background was covered in Star Trek novel "The Pandora Principle." Of course, most Star Trek novels are of "questionable" canon.

I believe it's also addressed in the novelisation of "Star Trek II", which retains several plot point dropped from the movie, such as the cadet who dies saving his colleagues in Khan's first attack is Scotty's nephew Peter, who was also a good friend to Saavik.

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	unknownscribler 2009-05-08 10:03 am UTC (link)
	The novelisation of Spock's death and resurrection (TWoK & TSfS really are just two halves of the one story) are perhaps the best writing the Trek novels ever saw for a good long time. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	joseph_k101 2009-05-07 04:05 pm UTC (link)
	It pleases me that I have not only already seen the new Star Trek movie but I say it leagally as well. I thought it was very good! =D (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-08 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	I think most everyone who has seen it so far agrees. I ADORE RDJ and I think I liked ST even better than Iron Man. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	moneyless_jew 2009-05-07 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	The only Trek comic I own is the Chris Claremont/Adam Hughes GN "Debt Of Honor." It's totally Claremont and a ripoff of Aliens, but I love it. Hey, didn't Abnett and Lanning (or was it Ian Edginton) do a "Captain Pike" series? Was it any good? Collected at all? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	starwolf_oakley 2009-05-07 11:14 pm UTC (link)
	Ian Edginton & Dan Abnett did write a series about Captain Pike's run as captain of the Enterprise. According to the Memory Alpha website, an omnibus of the 17 issues of "Star Trek: Early Voyages" will be released on May 29, 2009. IDW will publish it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sir_razorback 2009-05-07 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	Considering that Spock and Saavik are married in the most recent continuity books (see the Titan series), that's abit on the creepy side. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	starwolf_oakley 2009-05-07 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	The Spock-Saavik wedding was covered in the Star Trek novel "Vulcan's Heart." A 20-something Jean-Luc Picard has a brief cameo. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sir_razorback 2009-05-07 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Oh cool, I was wondering when exactly that took place. I don't have that one, will have to look it up. (Reply to this) (Parent)

khaosworks
2009-05-08 05:21 am UTC (link)

Well, how did you think Saavik dealt with Spock's pon farr back in Star Trek III? Playing parcheesi? :P

Note that when the restored Spock looks over each of his friends near the end of the movie, every one of them meets his eyes with joy on their faces... but Saavik looks away, as embarrassed as a Vulcan can be.

Some fanon has it that she might have stayed behind on Vulcan in Star Trek IV because she had a little Spockling in the oven...

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	unknownscribler 2009-05-08 10:06 am UTC (link)
	So very many people hated that little plot twist when it happened. I was one of them. Still am. It was clear from the her first literary appearance that Saavik was Spock's ersatz daughter and their turning him into Woody Allen was the point where I stopped reading the TRek novels on anything like a regular basis. (Reply to this) (Parent)