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rzerox21xx (rzerox21xx) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-18 14:12:00

Dark Reign of Greg Land
Did he just traced Ironman from a Ironman movie dvd? that sure does look like the movie. What up with Norman face, resemble movie Norman but with the cornrows.

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darkblade
2009-10-20 02:42 am UTC (link)

I don't have a scanner at the moment so I'll just list some examples.

The very original concept of the X-Men as a race allegory (right up to giving one of the mutant leaders the last name X), the original concept of Wonder Woman (although that sometimes tool a few steps beyond liberalism and into other territory), everything vaugely political that comes out of Stan Lee's mouth, every bronze age Green Arrow story after he grew his goatee, the secret society that wanted to take over America controled by Nixon from Captain America, the original Alpha Flight and early Weapon X comics (although you need to know Canadian Politics for that to become obvious) and everything written by Alan Moore ever.

Sure there were always a few prominent right wingers like Steve Ditko and R. Crumb but the majority used to be liberal leaning.

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geoffsebesta
2009-10-20 02:45 am UTC (link)

okay, figured it out. You and I have entirely different ideas of "right" and "left" wing and what those words mean. Always a problem when using gradient analogies for politics...

Out of curiousity, do you consider yourself liberal or conservative?

I'm familiar with all the examples you name above, and would never in my wildest dreams describe any of them as liberal (or, for that matter, Crumb as conservative). The way I think about the issues and the underlying causes applies in entirely different ways. I'm guessing that I'm more concerned about economics and you seem to be civil-rights oriented.

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darkblade
2009-10-20 02:55 am UTC (link)

I personally belive both sides are terribly flawed and you need a balance of both to actually stable progression.

Yeah I focus more on the Civil-rights aspects when using the terms right and left in political matters. Since the Canadian Liberal Party is still called left of center even though they have very conservative economic policies so it's easier to use it that way for me.

Sorry for any confusion.

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geoffsebesta
2009-10-20 03:02 am UTC (link)

okay, I think I get it.

From my POV Jack Kirby was a reactionary, imperialist hawk with PTSD but a very good heart, and Stan Lee is a bourgeois piece of shit. I'd describe Tezuka as much more liberal than Jack Kirby.

I don't see it as "sides" and certainly not as "both" sides. It's definitely not a gradient. These are competing political philosophies, and they are much more like animals than equations. There are thousands of animals, and they do not cancel each other out.

I do agree with Kundera that what unites "liberalism" and "leftism" is "the kitch of the Grand March." I do not see that as a bad thing -- all movements generate kitsch, and more importantly it points toward what I suspect to be the real fundamental division:

"liberals" believe that things are getting better and therefore we need to get them better faster.
"conservatives" believe that things are getting worse and therefore we need to protect what we have.

IMO foolishly narrow definitions of "we" are the main problem facing the world.

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