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sailorlibra (sailorlibra) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-21 15:56:00

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char: batman/bruce wayne, char: zatanna zatara, creator: francis manapul, creator: michael green, creator: mike johnson, creator: paul dini, creator: rick mays, publisher: dc comics

More On Zee's Love Life (With Bruce and Otherwise)
A montage featuring Zee's love life in general from Zatanna: Everyday Magic and a very sad scene between her and Bruce in Superman/Batman #61. This post was inspired by thebigapricot's earlier post, which was inspired by my earlier post, which in turn was inspired by my even earlier Zee post, which was inspired by whoever requested it. Overkill, yes? On the other hand, Zee clearly rocks and now you all know it.

As it turns out, Zee's love life sucks. It really, really sucks.

And things don't really get better. Especially considering that Bruce dies shortly after this scene. (In DCU time. In our world time, he was already dead when this scene occurred, I believe.)

recommended tags: char: zatanna zatara, char: batman/bruce wayne, creator: paul dini, creator: francis manapul, creator: michael green, creator: mike johnson, creator: rick mays

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	taggerung301 2009-09-21 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	poor Zatana :'( (although that last panel where Bruce immediately says "What about Superman?" cracked me up) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jaybee3 2009-09-21 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	In the real world a decent guy like Bruce would immediately call Zatanna and see if she was OK (since it was her dream) but for Batman it's: "What about Superman?". Oy. This was actually my favorite scene of this mini-arc in S/B especially since it was so unexpected. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yaseen101 2009-09-21 08:54 pm UTC (link)
	Aren't they in two different beds? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jaybee3 2009-09-21 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but I'm sure he has a phone in his room. Batman is always prepared. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yaseen101 2009-09-21 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	Batman: Oh Zatanna, thank god, you are alright. Zatanna: Oh Bruce, how nice of you to... Batman: Quick, get dressed we need to check up on Clark first. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thebigapricot 2009-09-21 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	Oh you had to bring up Superman/Batman #61. Honestly, I ship Selina/Bruce but this gave me much squee and, perhaps, brought one little single tear to my eye. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sailorlibra 2009-09-21 08:35 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I have to admit that this one of the reasons that Zee is one of the twenty I ship with Batman. This scene pushed her quite near the top, actually. (Still behind Selina, natch.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mrbear 2009-09-21 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	I know what you mean. I like the Bruce/Zee dynamic too. I'd say Bruce/Selina was my top ship but the real Selina got killed by Bronwynn Carlton and all we have left now is the goggle-horror. In the absense of real!Selina, Zee is probably my, (joint with Diana) top choice. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yaseen101 2009-09-21 08:56 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, I'm kind of curious now, who are the other 20? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sailorlibra 2009-09-21 09:27 pm UTC (link)
	Well, twenty was a slight exaggeration, but... 1. Bruce/Diana 2. Bruce/Selina 3. Bruce/Zee 4. Bruce/Lois 5. Bruce/Sasha 6. Bruce/Dinah And sometimes I ship Bruce/Harley, though I'm not exactly sure why. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thebigapricot 2009-09-21 09:56 pm UTC (link)
	Bruce/Ivy, yes. Bruce/Harley, Nooooo. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yaseen101 2009-09-21 10:27 pm UTC (link)
	To me it's: 1-Bruce/Zatanna 2-Bruce/Selina 3-Batman/Ivy 4-Batman/Vicki Vale 5-Batman/Bekka I'm partial to Bruce/Dinah and Bruce/Diana but it's mainly because of the hotnezz. What made you ship them? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sailorlibra 2009-09-21 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	Bruce/Diana because of the JLU romance. Which I consider about the sweetest thing ever. <3 Bruce/Dinah because of the scene where Dinah kisses him in Birds of Prey. And on a related note, what made you interested in Batman/Vicki Vale and Batman/Bekka? I don't really know much about the former, but the latter seems a bit strange. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

yaseen101
2009-09-21 11:40 pm UTC (link)

My first experience of Bruce/Vicky was in an issue of 'Batman' from the 90's, pre-Knightfall era. What happened was, that Vicky got shot while on an assignment. Bruce visits her in the hospital and has a day dream where he saves her from a bunch of thugs in her room as Batman and reveals himself as Bruce and then they makeout. Bruce wakes up and actually considers telling her he is Batman, thinking that it would make their relationship stable. So he meets her and then they both talk and he starts to tell her his secret but he keeps stuttering and hesitating all the way through and before he could let the cat out of the bag, the Bat signal lights. Gordon got a tip that two gangs were making an exchange and plans a raid near a chemical factory. However, Gordon thinks it's a trap (which it was).

Anyway, Batman arrives late because his car was in the mansion and finds out that Gordon already left to take part in the raid and he left Essen to brief Batman about the situation. So the two gangs gets into a gun-fight with the police and take shelter in the factory. Gordon gets shot and goes missing in the building. Batman and Essen arrive and Batman had to keep Essen out of the building for her own safety (she found out that Gordon was missing inside the building). So Batman goes in there and finds that someone had rigged the building to explode but he manages to rescue Gordon and escape in time.

So Bruce goes back to the hospital and on his way he thinks about how Essen went in to rescue Gordon without any thought to her own safety. He decides that the same thing will happen if he tells Vicki about his identity. So he goes back and tells her that to please take better of herself because he loves her and they both hold hands with no break up in sight. It was a very Daww' moment.

I had to narrate the entire issue from memory to you, because I don't have a scanner and I lost that issue a long time ago.

As for Bruce and Bekka, it wasn't a normal attraction since it was her powers that made them like each other but I guess I like them because of the way the story was told and I did feel that there was a small genuine attraction underneath all that.

I like Bruce/Ivy because of that issue done by Ann Nocenti which was posted both here and the old SD. If the Joker represents Batman's insanity, Two-Face represents Batman's duality and Penguin represents Batman's wealth and social status, then Ivy represents Batman's 'passion'. She has the same urge to stop oppression against plants as Bruce does towards stopping crime but she is less moral and righteous about it. If we go along that sort of thinking then a Batman/Ivy relationship is very much possible. A sort of unrequited love where there are subtle hints they are both attracted to one another but their own goals and ideologies keep them apart and wouldn't admit it either way.

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sailorlibra
2009-09-22 02:24 am UTC (link)

I like your explanations for Bruce/Vicky. I may start shipping that also. (Like I needed another Bruceship...) I've always avoided Vicky because she seemed to act like a knock-off of Lois and I always thought Bruce needed someone unique. But that issue sounds great, so you may have smuggled me ab that ship.

I also like your view on Bruce/Ivy. I think that I already feel that way about them, but I don't really ship it so much as acknowledge it. I dunno.

Batman/Bekka still seems a little eh to me, but I think that's mostly because I've always believed if one is going to have a relationship with a New God, it should be Big Barda. The other part of the reason is that their relationship doesn't seem likely to be reoccurring, so there would never be any depth added to the relationship.

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philippos42
2009-09-22 07:34 am UTC (link)

For me it's been:

Bruce/Vicki (from the 1st Burton movie)
Bruce/Talia (Son of the Demon)
Bruce/Selina (Especially in JLA: The Nail)
Bruce/original Kathy Kane (I love their scene in The Kingdom: Planet Krypton)

I'm warming to Bruce/Zee, but Zee is one of those characters where the awesome powers are so over-the-top it's worrying to me. I'm of the school of thought that characters should at least appear to have limits.

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	jelly_ace 2009-09-22 04:12 am UTC (link)
	Knowing Bruce, that number of het ships is entirely possible. And yay for Bruce/Diana! They were cute in JL and JLU. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-09-21 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, out of context that "...What about Superman?" reads REALLY slashy. (Reply to this)

	kusonaga 2009-09-21 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	I dunno why, but I just imagined every day being like that for married Zee/Bruce. "It's not real!" "Oh, not this again." (Reply to this) (Thread)

	yaseen101 2009-09-21 09:05 pm UTC (link)
	Ha, you just reminded me of Wagner's 'Trinity' mini where Bruce goes to Themyscira and gets distracted by the tree's and butterflies. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	schala_kid 2009-09-22 01:28 am UTC (link)
	"What about Superman?" Lol, godammit Bruce! You had a beautiful woman waiting for you to call her and tell her how you feel but I guess we know where your priorities lie. (Reply to this)

	xlineartx 2009-09-22 01:50 am UTC (link)
	NEEDS MORE CONSTANTINE. (Reply to this)

	charlemagnne 2009-09-22 02:14 am UTC (link)
	So what happened to Raven in the Destiny post? Was she dreaming about Bruce too? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sailorlibra 2009-09-22 02:25 am UTC (link)
	She was dreaming about Superman. Or, IIRC, she was dreaming and Superman happened to be in the dream. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	charlemagnne 2009-09-22 03:38 am UTC (link)
	Ah, okay. Thank you. I read to much into the "Zatanna and Raven dream too" line and had a mini panic attack along the lines of "Why, DC, why? Why would you ship Raven/Batman? Curse youuuuu!" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bariman1987 2009-09-22 06:17 am UTC (link)
	Raven had a crush on Dick for a while, so maybe Bruce would be in her dream as her boyfriend/husband's father? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cowtasticism 2009-09-22 02:44 am UTC (link)
	Someone really needs to give Zatanna a consistent eye color. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	skitster 2009-09-22 02:28 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yes (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jedd_the_jedi 2009-09-22 03:14 am UTC (link)
	Aww, that is so sad. Almost like what happened to Clark in The Man Who Has Everything. Zee and Bruce together would be so perfect, perhaps even more so that Bruce and Selina...perhaps. And "you pissed her off too, huh?" mad me lol. Thos crocodiles sure look hungry! (Reply to this)

psychop_rex
2009-09-22 07:25 am UTC (link)

For some reason, I REALLY like that second-to-last panel of Zatanna waking up in bed. It just seems, well, real - I don't know why it strikes me that way, but she looks like a real woman waking up in a real bed. (Also, I love that she keeps her top hat on the bedpost. It's really kind of endearing how obsessed she is with that hat. There's an episode of 'Gotham Girls' where a gang of street hoods snatch her hat and start playing keep-away with it. She changes them into toads. "Sorry, boys," she says, "but no one messes with the hat.")

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