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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-15 17:45:00

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char: wolverine/logan/james howlett, creator: jason aaron, creator: ron garney, publisher: marvel comics, title: wolverine

Wolverine teams up with the Taliban

After saving Rogue's life in Messiah Complex, Mystique finds herself on the run from Wolverine, who has been ordered by Cyclops to kill her.

Wolverine, who is so desperate to get Mystique that he'll team up with his old friends the Taliban to do it.

This is from Wolverine #63 and #64, by Jason Aaron and Ron Garney. To keep Wolverine away from her, Mystique is impersonating a US Senator.

title: wolverine, creator: jason aaron, creator: ron garney, char: wolverine/logan/james howlett

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	mcspakypants 2009-09-15 09:49 pm UTC (link)
	Ah Jason Aaron, the comic world is a better place with you in it. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:00 pm UTC (link)
	Ah Jason Aaron, the comic world is a better place with you in it. Jason Aaron is one of the better comic writers of this day and age, yes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mcspakypants 2009-09-15 10:06 pm UTC (link)
	About the only criticism I can find in Aaron's work so far is he's only written "grim, dark, and gritty" stuff. Although if you read Wolverine issue 74 you'll see he can write a fantastic Spider-man. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-15 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	He made me think Wolverine and Cyclops were giant assholes, though I guess that isn't entirely his fault since it was Marvel who asked him to do the story about Wolverine hunting Mystique down. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	Mystique is a rapist 8D [/troll] (Replies frozen) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-15 10:16 pm UTC (link)
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	daso 2009-09-15 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously, Mystique is having loads of sex using someone elses face and even bore two children as a result of it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-15 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, with Sabretooth and Azrael (even though that was a crappy story), both of whom knew who she really way. If anyone's a real rapist, it's Wolverine's special little boy Daken. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	Gambit (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-15 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	Gambit never had sex with her when she was Foxx. And how is any of this relevant? Daken is a rapist, and Wolverine isn't doing anything about him. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	About as relevant as bringing up why Wolverine should go after Daken NOW NOW NOW NOW I'd say (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-15 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	It's relevant that Wolverine is acting high and mighty with Mystique, while he bats a blind eye to someone who's even worse. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

daso
2009-09-15 11:07 pm UTC (link)

See, this is what makes it so hard to believe you actually read comics. In the arc Mystique is shown to betray and kill her friends over and over again during the 19th century. At the start of this arc she kills several unarmed villagers. Before this arc she betrayed and attempted to kill both X-Men teams, all underage students at the X-mansion and a baby - not for anyone's good but her own.

But I guess that pales in comparision to half-rape, pushing someone already interested to sleep with the sexy celebrity is practically a crime against humanity.

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xdoop
2009-09-15 11:19 pm UTC (link)

See, this is what makes it so hard to believe you actually read comics. In the arc Mystique is shown to betray and kill her friends over and over again during the 19th century. At the start of this arc she kills several unarmed villagers.

"In the arc Mystique is shown to betray and kill her friends over and over again during the 19th century"? If I recall, it was in that arc that Wolverine betrayed the gang he and Mystique were with and let them get killed.

Before this arc she betrayed and attempted to kill both X-Men teams, all underage students at the X-mansion and a baby - not for anyone's good but her own.

Not anyone's good but her own? Were you reading the issues? Everything she did in Messiah Complex was to save her daughter's life!

But I guess that pales in comparision to half-rape, pushing someone already interested to sleep with the sexy celebrity is practically a crime against humanity.

First off, he talks about using his pheromones to "gain control of their emotions." There's nothing to suggest that the people have to be somewhat interested in him already for them to work.

And second, like that's the only bad thing Daken's ever done, right?

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daso
2009-09-15 11:55 pm UTC (link)

Hitting a new low with every response. First you try to justify killing an odd thirty (I'd planned to write fifty but I'll be generous) people including a baby with "she did it for her adopted daughter", then you're calling me out by posting scans of a bad person doing something horrible. Do you really want us to trade scans all night, trying to one-up each other whilst arguing over which act is worst? I probably could, but that's really, really pathetic and won't lead to anything at all since you have your heels dug in and won't consider any differing opinion. I wish you could have told me from the beginning so you wouldn't have wasted my time.

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xdoop
2009-09-16 12:05 am UTC (link)

Hitting a new low with every response. First you try to justify killing an odd thirty (I'd planned to write fifty but I'll be generous) people including a baby with "she did it for her adopted daughter",

You stated that Mystique did what she did "not for anyone's good but her own," which is BS. If you had actually read the storyline you would have known that.

then you're calling me out by posting scans of a bad person doing something horrible.

Because you acted like Daken's "half-rape" was the only bad thing he did.

since you have your heels dug in and won't consider any differing opinion.

And I'm sure you'd be willing to change yours, right?

I wish you could have told me from the beginning so you wouldn't have wasted my time.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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	taggerung301 2009-09-16 01:32 am UTC (link)
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsyNBnE5M (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-16 01:46 am UTC (link)
	Awww... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	taggerung301 2009-09-16 01:49 am UTC (link)
	I thought that this might be appreciated :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-15 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe I'm missing something, but weren't you one of the people on the "What Chameleon did wasn't rape" side when it was assumed he had sex with Michelle? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	Who am I to argue with what a British law says? It's rape some place in the world, so that counts as far as we're concerned right? (except that they, you know, didn't have sex) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-16 12:05 am UTC (link)
	Hence, the "when it was assumed". So why are you arguing that Mystique is a rapist, since by your standards, Chameleon would not be even if he did have sex (for the sake of argument)? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-16 12:13 am UTC (link)
	What do my standards matter if the majority disagrees? I was told that I was objectively wrong because the entire scans_daily thought something else, I guess that objectively means that it's rape. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

cyberghostface
2009-09-16 12:19 am UTC (link)

No, my question is, why do you think Mystique is a rapist if Chameleon isn't (again, for the sake of argument, I know they just 'made out'--prior, the debate was never, "did they have sex", but rather "would that constitute as rape")?

I'm just asking because it's the same exact thing--a shapeshifter pretending to be someone else and duping someone to have sex with them--and yet you're calling Mystique a rapist and saying Chameleon wasn't?

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daso
2009-09-16 12:30 am UTC (link)

All right, I'll stop pussyfooting around. I was trolling with the "Mystique is a rapist 8D" (hence the tag) because I wanted to know how people could accept Mystique having sex in any face that isn't blue but not Chameleon. I'll leave out my views on the subject because I don't think that debate needs revisiting but just like you're saying, it's the exact same thing and I think it's double standards.

(thanks for having the patience with me ;] )

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	cyberghostface 2009-09-16 12:35 am UTC (link)
	No prob. :) For the record, I think Mystique counts as a rapist too if she's having sex with someone who doesn't know who she really is. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	va1tyr 2009-09-16 02:15 pm UTC (link)
	Weren't you telling me over here that you didn't think the comparison needed to be brought up all the time? Is it only okay if you do it? I said three days ago over here that I had no problems describing Mystique's sex by impersonation as rape, so not a double standard. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-16 04:06 pm UTC (link)
	And I admitted I was trolling when I brought it up. It's good to see that you are consistent. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	I suppose, but that's the kind of stories he likes to write :) Just like David likes to write wordy stories and Dini likes to throw Zatanna in every issue ever (srsly Paul). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mugiwara 2009-09-15 10:01 pm UTC (link)
	I still can't believe how much Garney improved his work since Uncanny X-Men. In a few years, he's gone from crappy art to awesome art. (Reply to this)

	taggerung301 2009-09-15 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	wow, very impressive (Reply to this)

	espanolbot 2009-09-15 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	Hm, I wonder if these are the "nice" Taliban members that helped out James Bond and Rambo, or the horrible ones like in Punisher Max? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	To be quite honest they never say "taliban" in the comic. They could be bandit tribes from the northern part of Afghanistan, now living in Iraq. Not that it matters, the US supplied both taliban and tribesmen with weapons during the 80's, but, you know. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	damar148 2009-09-15 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	1. What is the Taliban doing in Iraq? 2. Why does Wolverine carbomb himself in the middle of nowhere? Not to mention his healing power kicking in too soon as it would seem to have been a matter of hours to bring his body to the US base. 3: Why would US soldiers accept the body? What use is it to them? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-15 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	1. Not talibans 2. because he doesn't want to hurt americans, he says so in the scans 3. because they want to identify it, they say so in the scans (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-09-15 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	It's thing like "Logan had some connection with the Taliban" that would, in theory, make me want to read Wolverine Origins. But I keep hearing such bad things about it. (Reply to this)

	darkknightjrk 2009-09-16 12:34 am UTC (link)
	When I first heard of this, I went "...what." After seeing this, I can accept it. One problem--if Logan was helping these guys in Afghanistan in the '80s, wouldn't that be pretty close to when he became part of the X-Men, or at least part of the Canadian government? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	daso 2009-09-16 01:07 am UTC (link)
	No, sliding timescale. ...But then again this is the guy who can bee on four teams at once, you think he'd have any trouble being in two countries? ;) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	okkult3000 2009-09-16 06:49 am UTC (link)
	You'd rather he teamed with the Russians? COMMIE! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-09-16 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	Aw, he could have worked with the Man of Stone, and the guys who would eventually become Hotel Moscow. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	okkult3000 2009-09-16 06:50 am UTC (link)
	Also, I'm sure Mystique's employment history is completely devoid of terrorist organizations. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-09-16 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	She worked for Hydra once I think. They're essentially Nazis most of the time. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-09-16 04:11 pm UTC (link)
	I think that was more a case of "Infiltrating them" and less "Helping them out" like Wolverine did. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xdoop 2009-09-16 03:38 pm UTC (link)
	So? Didn't Wolverine say in this storyline that he was better than her? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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