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rabican (rabican) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-02-28 19:55:00

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admin: faq, admin: mod post

[mod post] Hola!
Hey guys. Well, it's been a bit rough, and it's going to be rough for a while yet, but I am so glad that there are so many people here and posting already. I apologize for the delay in pulling together official moderation announcements - the community was already suspended when I woke up, so you can imagine we've been running around a lot behind the scenes trying to pull everything together.

Without further ado:

1) The new rules which we were planning to announce on livejournal, erm, this coming week or thereabouts are now in the community userinfo. There is also an additional FAQ on posting guidelines. No matter how long you've been a member of scans_daily, in whatever capacity, please read both pages carefully, because we're not taking ignorance of the new rules as an excuse from this point forwards.

Because there have been some fairly major changes to the rules along with the obvious server transition, there's a definite possibility of more tweaks in the near future, particularly ones that will protect us from further TOS-ing. We promise to keep you informed.

1a) In particular, please note that we've changed the page limits from half an issue to one third of an issue - that's down from 11 to 7 pages of an average issue, 5 pages for recent comics. (Yeah, yeah, still arbitrary, but possibly more amenable to TPTB.) Check the new rules for more detail. If you've posted here at Insanejournal, we would appreciate it if you'd bring your post in line with the new regs.

2) Just to make sure everyone's clear on this, the mods of this insanejournal comm are myself and schmevil. stubbleupdate has decided to concentrate on noscans_daily, the LJ discussion comm, where you will be seeing me and I believe schmevil as well. So don't bother Stubble about things that happen here ;).

3) Kathleen David has informed me that she and Peter David have been getting a lot of nasty e-mails from s_d members about all this drama. (The account through which PAD originally posted on lj is actually hers.) Look, I know losing the livejournal community was hard - listen, my five year community anniversary just passed, so you certainly don't need to tell me how much this community means to people. Which in turn warms the cockles of my cynical heart, by the way. Even so, there's a lot of blame to be apportioned around to many different people (I don't exclude myself, frankly), and I personally doubt that PAD intended to nuke the entire comm when he made his complaints. There's a lot of scrutiny on us right now and I would appreciate it if you all would remember that what s_d members say at the moment reflects on all of us. Also, making asses of ourselves is totally against the community ethos, etc.

4) Insanejournal comms have a 1000 member cap, so this will not be our permanent home in all likelihood, but we'll try and make it a damn nice hotel. Sounds good? Sounds good.

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	gargoylekitty 2009-02-28 08:06 pm UTC (link)
	Good rule changes. Hopefully things will get better though in the meantime thank you mods for all the work you've been putting in these last 24 hours or so in picking up the pieces. You rock. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mrdave2176 2009-02-28 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	I can see why you changes certain things, they make sense, but in Rule #5 you reference the "Half an issue" and it should be "a third of an issue" I know, there's always one. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-02-28 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	dsghskdfhasldkghnm,s d;ESAF Thanks! XD (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-02-28 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	Looking around I was wondering why you didn't make this a new permanent place. The 1000 cap woul do it though. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	filbypott 2009-02-28 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	The difficulty with tags (they're there but not as easy to use as on LJ) is another reason to look into other venues too, I think. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	This is me, using the IJ account I have forgotten for a while politicalzombie 2009-02-28 08:52 pm UTC (link)
	Now that Big Fandom has definitely moved to IJ,I will be browsing IJ more. (Reply to this)

kamino_neko
2009-02-28 09:09 pm UTC (link)

Kathleen David has informed me that she and Peter David have been getting a lot of nasty e-mails from s_d members about all this drama.

I take back what I said to Gail over on

schmevil's LJ post about the whole thing...maybe it IS a good idea to make 'common courtesy' an actual rule...

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	ar_feiniel_ 2009-02-28 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	1000 cap?! That's crazy. Definately can't stay here. Darn. I was rather warming up to using this old IJ account. (Reply to this)

	aristoboule 2009-02-28 09:27 pm UTC (link)
	If it's paid/permanent (I think tonight is the last night, perm accounts for $50), then the limit goes up from there. It's a high number or unlimited for perm, I can't remember sorry. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-02-28 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	Sorry, the number goes up from where? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aristoboule 2009-02-28 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	Found it! http://www.insanejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=150 Paid or Permanent Accounts have unlimited friends. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-02-28 09:45 pm UTC (link)
	Oh! Okay. Sadly, I don't think the mod team can look into all the potential pros and cons of IJ and make this place TOS-proof quickly enough to pass the hat around (I don't have $50 to spare on this, guys, sorry!) and buy a permanent account... Hmm. Thanks for finding this out, though. It could still be useful. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	denyer.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 08:58 am UTC (link)
	Presumably permanent accounts will normally be priced so that people actually buy them occasionally -- if this place sticks around for a while, I'll add to any chipping in, and at a guess enough other people would too. Won't join the comm for now; may as well leave slots for people who actually post content more than once in a blue moon. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	motoe 2009-03-01 12:18 pm UTC (link)
	If all else fails, let me see what my finances are like and what we can get going as far as increasing the member cap. Barring that, there's still always the feed I made for lj. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aristoboule 2009-03-01 07:36 pm UTC (link)
	I just noticed something -- one of the bigger icon comms here is a free account, and it's got 1400+ members: embargo. Maybe ask squeaky and see if it's just a matter of the FAQ not being updated? If you ask, he might just push the limit of members higher than it already is for free (whatever it is -- maybe 2500?). (Reply to this) (Parent)

tragical_mirth
2009-02-28 10:00 pm UTC (link)

Here's a thought.

Some of the other communities I'm a part of on LJ require certain things of new members' accounts (for example: a certain comment count, member of other communities, recommendation by current members, etc.). What this does in those communities is prevents assclowns with sockpuppet journals from getting in and trolling, trying to get the comm shut down, or generally causing trouble. It is a terrible amount of work for the mods, though. Still, if people are posting from their real, primary LJ accounts, they're less likely to attempt hit-and-run douchebaggery without fear of consequence both in the current community and others who might hear of it and decide to ban the user for the same asshattery.

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	foxhack 2009-02-28 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	That really wouldn't work here because... well, a LOT of new posters didn't have LJ accounts, but lurked, until they got the courage to post new stuff. A few newbies were posting quality stuff over the past weeks! :( (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tragical_mirth 2009-02-28 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	I know. It was the same in those comms, but they had a lot of trouble, so they had to institute the rule to stay alive. It's not an ideal solution, just an idea. (Reply to this) (Parent)

greenwitch
2009-03-01 02:29 pm UTC (link)

Why not encourage folks who don't plan on posting to watch the community versus joining it? I mean, there's nothing you can do to actually prevent it, but those who are considerate might consider leaving the actual community and just watching it instead. Just leave a bolded note somewhere in the userinfo.

Also -- is that really a 1000 friend-cap, or 1000 community member cap? Because the FAQ someone linked to above specifies journals, not communities.

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	wyatt1048 2009-03-01 02:34 am UTC (link)
	Quick question about the page limits: when posting pages from PTBs, do we use individual issues for counting the maximum number of pages allowed, or is it the overall number of pages? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-03-01 11:25 am UTC (link)
	Let me get back to you on that, okay? It's a good question - it used to be the overall number of pages, but given recent events, I'm going to talk to schmevil about whether or not we should consider changing that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	chaoswolf1982.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 11:56 am UTC (link)
	Goddamit, LJ, couldn't you have at least given warning or something? I weep. (Reply to this) (Thread)

kaetepixie
2009-03-01 02:35 pm UTC (link)

I'm sorry if this has been recommended elsewhere - but if the community grows again, perhaps you guys might consider eventually adding more mods?

The only reason I suggest so is that situations can snowball so quickly. I *hate* that people are spreading rumors SD was the kind of place where people would throw death threats at comic creators. If you have enough mods that one is constantly "on hand," so to speak, then sometimes you can catch situations like PAD fighting with posters before they spiral out of control.

Absolutely do NOT want to sound like I am blaming mods or anything - you guys give absolutely more than anyone should have to for a volunteer hobby! But with the new stronger rules in place, it may be easier to keep them going with more people watching.

Just a suggestion, anyway. :) I know it can be annoying as hell to try and find people you can trust with that amount of control, but anything that lifts the load of work for you guys might be good.

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rabican
2009-03-01 05:01 pm UTC (link)

Oh, we're planning on it as soon as we've gotten stabilized enough to take a breath, look around, and go, "Okay, how do we want to go about finding new mods?" Hopefully we'll work out that process sometime in the next few days, but both the comms and RL are really INSANE right now, so it might take a little bit.

But yes, we don't intend to be just two mods forever. To be honest, while I do think many of the people jumping on us about zomg flamebaity scans_daily don't ... really get what the comm was like, it's also entirely true that it hasn't been as welcoming a place as it used to be, and we've been letting stuff slip - ironically, we were about to roll out new rules that would have helped crack down on a lot of the same drama that led to our suspension.

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	pindrops 2009-03-01 09:55 pm UTC (link)
	Have you checked Inksome? It might be agood option. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-03-02 12:14 pm UTC (link)
	I'll mention that to schmevil, thanks! :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-03-03 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	There's a problem - the RSS feed on LJ isn't cutting the images in the posts (Reply to this) (Thread)

	foxhack 2009-03-04 02:10 am UTC (link)
	That also happens to me on my feed reader, so it's probably an IJ issue. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	unknownscribler 2009-03-04 04:23 am UTC (link)
	Irritatingly the "new post notification" fucntion that's the only alternative doesn't even include the contents of the post it's notifying you about. Which means post subject lines are going to need to be quite clear about wehat's in the post. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xdoop 2009-03-03 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	Could we make exceptions to the 1/3 an issue rule, like if the issue is from the 80s or something? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-03-04 11:43 am UTC (link)
	No exceptions, Doop. (Reply to this) (Parent)

foxhack
2009-03-04 02:09 am UTC (link)

This new layout... it um... isn't very good. Sorry. ^^;

Not only is the post column way too thin, the fact that you're loading -all the tags- on a sidebar is only going to make it tougher for dialup users to browse the site, not to mention it'll make some Firefox users (like me!) rage at the browser when it freezes because it's loading all those tags and such.

Sorry. >_>

(Any updates on the work I volunteered for, by the way?)

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	unknownscribler 2009-03-04 04:34 am UTC (link)
	Any chance of changing the journal layout? That sidebar obscures images. (Reply to this)

	jlbarnett 2009-03-04 06:24 am UTC (link)
	can I make a point that with the new smaller limit please check out whatever previews there are and don't repost those pages. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-03-04 11:44 am UTC (link)
	I think individual posters will have to work that out in their own rights - we don't want to control everything people post. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-03-04 06:26 am UTC (link)
	Have the LJ people pulled Scans Daily permanently or is there still a chance it'll come back. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	rabican 2009-03-04 11:45 am UTC (link)
	When we know, you'll know. (Reply to this) (Parent)