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arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-26 17:39:00

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char: batman/dick grayson, char: robin/damian wayne, creator: frank quitely, creator: grant morrison, medium: videos, publisher: dc comics, title: batman and robin

3 pgs. from Batman & Robin 3
Batman: Making cliché lines cool again.

Also, interesting what sort of things one can find on YouTube.

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	fromtheaether 2009-08-27 01:06 am UTC (link)
	I wonder... could this be the leadin to that "Batman and Robin will never die!" page from Batman RIP? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-27 01:13 am UTC (link)
	As it's a repeat of Le Bossu's lines from RIP as they arrive, I'd say yes, it pretty much has to be. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	parsimonia 2009-08-27 01:21 am UTC (link)
	I love how they have subtitles despite him speaking English. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kingrockwell 2009-08-27 03:07 am UTC (link)
	I'd gotten some idea how thick his accent was from Brian Azzarello's Doctor Thirteen, but this being the first time I'd ever heard it, the lines that weren't subtitled were almost gibberish! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	nagaoka 2009-08-27 01:25 am UTC (link)
	I love Damian's look as he's dropping down. Adorable. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lady_mondegreen 2009-08-27 02:14 am UTC (link)
	Fill in the villains' agape mouths with "Awwwwww!" coming out. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	freeman333 2009-08-27 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Not that I'm one to criticize something that looks that cool...but if you were planning on sneaking up on someone, wouldn't having huge headlights that throw a massive projection of your personal symbol directly in front of you possibly be a bad idea? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thatnickguy 2009-08-27 02:51 am UTC (link)
	Choose your own answer! Is it: a) Well, given his previous history as a circus showman, along with his usual flamboyant acrobatics, Dick Grayson has never been the stealthy type as much as Bruce. b) le Bossu probably knew he was coming. c) HE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN. To hell with sneaking. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	freeman333 2009-08-27 02:54 am UTC (link)
	le Bossu sure looks surprised when they come busting down out of the skylight. "Was that the Bat-symbol that was just projected up against our front door? Must be Batman and Robin. Well, I'm sure M'sieu Batman will knock politely before enteri--sacre bleu! Through the skylight! Tres gauche!" (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-08-27 02:06 am UTC (link)
	Wow. I never thought I'd say this but...Damian's kinda growing on me O.o (Reply to this) (Thread)

	peahaich 2009-08-27 02:15 am UTC (link)
	I'm surprised nobody has posted that page where Dick hands him back the Robin patch yet. That was just adorable. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-08-27 02:23 am UTC (link)
	Okay, someone needs to post that, now. Because it sounds cute and fun and oh man I really wish that my LCS didn't get its comics a week late. edited for stupid grammatical errors (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kingrockwell 2009-08-27 03:11 am UTC (link)
	It was the "Did...Did you just save my life?" that made it for me! That the Damian/Dick relationship is going in the opposite direction everyone was afraid it might (Damian learning to respect Dick instead of Dick learning to tolerate Damian) melts my heart. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	toasty_fresh 2009-08-27 03:14 am UTC (link)
	I love Damian. He is the bitchiest little bitch that ever bitched and I adore him for it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nymphgalatea 2009-08-27 09:32 pm UTC (link)
	He is wonderful, isn't he? He's like a rabid puppy raised by wolves that invited itself into your home...but in a good way. I love him. I want to adopt him. (Reply to this) (Parent)

sistermagpie
2009-08-27 03:11 am UTC (link)

Still haven't read this comic so have no idea what's going on, but my reactions are:

Is Dick driving on the right?

"This time it's personal" was not made cool again. Ouch.

Now even Dick's referring to Bruce as "your Dad" to Damian? I know this comic likes to remind us that Damian is Bruce's son and Bruce is Damian's father as often as possible, but one son doesn't usually refer to a shared parent as "your dad" to another. Seems like it's trying to remind me that Dick doesn't count as Bruce's son in this book.

Quitely's art grows on me. Sometimes I'm put off by the mushy, cottage cheesy feel (probably the wrong description) but I do love the movement and the way he spreads things out over the panels. Especially when they leap down together. And also the panel where he throws the antidote. It's exciting to look at.

I still like the villains. As I think someone else said, this is a real refreshing change from the noir overload. I don't mind the flying batmobile. I'm interesting in reading the rest.

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Because Damian is Bruce's One Real Son. Apparently.

mysteryfan
2009-08-27 04:34 am UTC (link)

I know! WTF on Dick referring to Bruce as 'Your Dad' to Damian? That's bizarre.

one son doesn't usually refer to a shared parent as "your dad" to another

Agreed. It's very unnatural and doesn't sound like Dick at all. And yes, it DOES sound like this comic's trying to remind me that Dick doesn't count as Bruce's son. Also, that Damian does.

It's... very off. IMO.

We've already been reminded by Alfred at least twice and several times by Damian. (I'm going to have to go back and count the reader reminders.) Now, third issue, it's Dick's turn.

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ashtoreth
2009-08-27 05:51 am UTC (link)

I read that as Dick trying to bond with Damian, and remind him that this is his heritage as much as crazy assassins are. You know, the way people who knew you dead parents will try to make you feel better by talking what little they know about them? It's a human connection that would create a family feeling between Dick and Damian (and I guess Alfred) if it works.

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lyraeinne
2009-08-27 12:44 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, I kind of read it that way too. Dick isn't downplaying his own connection to Bruce, but he also probably realizes that Damian obsesses over the Wayne blood specifically because he never really had the opportunity to build any kind of relationship with Bruce the way the other kids did. The fact that he (may possibly) be his biological child is really all he has in the world at the moment, and Dick is past the point where his own insecurity in Bruce's love would prevent him from letting a ten year old kid cling to that a little bit. For now, anyway.

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mysteryfan
2009-08-27 03:19 pm UTC (link)

Damian's the one who has been--along with Alfred--up to now, reminding us that he's the genetic child. Now we see Dick casually mentioning it in a way that seems out of character for Dick. I could see him saying 'Bruce' or 'Batman' there, but here it feels as odd to me as if one of my siblings called our father "Your Dad".

I disagree and feel that Dick IS downplaying his own connection to Bruce.

I really think it's because this story is the story of Damian, and how, because he's the 'True Son' of Bruce, he's the real inheritor to the throne. That because he's not adopted, he's better than Dick or Tim. And Dick is acknowledging it for us readers.

Also, Damian isn't being insecure here, and doesn't seem to need any reassurance that he is, in fact, Bruce's child. I honestly don't think we're seeing it for any other reason than to drive the point home that Damian is the Real Son, even in Dick's mind.

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lyraeinne
2009-08-27 06:10 pm UTC (link)

I do see what you're saying, but in the context of Dick's actual relationship with Bruce I think the narrative is acknowledging the fact that however much they might consider themselves father and son now, it really can't erase the last fifteen odd years of precedent in which that really wasn't the case.

To me at least it has nothing to do with the fact that Dick was adopted, but everything to do with Bruce's relative youth at the time he took Dick in, and Bruce's respect for the fact that Dick already had a father that he still loved and remembered. Bruce made the decision to adopt Dick when he realized how much having a permanently established connection on paper meant to him, not in an attempt to retroactively re-establish all their previous interaction as something it really wasn't. He set out to be a friend and a mentor and to a certain a father figure, but by the time he was really in the right place to begin to function as a parent Dick was long past the age where he needed one.

By no means does that undermine their connection or obvious love for each other, but to me it does put it in a slightly different category than strictly father/son in the traditional sense. Dick's never called him Dad because Bruce had never really been "Dad," so it makes sense to me that it's not a word Dick would use to describe that relationship to anyone else.

Damian, on the other hand, had almost no relationship to Bruce whatsoever when he was alive and has no way to connect with him on any level other than the probable blood connection. It's something that ultimately means very little, but which has some measure of meaning for Damian, which I think is what Dick is encouraging. A connection to Bruce is a connection to him, after all.

Of course, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong about the authorial motivations that factor into the story, and if that's the case I'll happily eat my words in another issue or two. :D

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mysteryfan
2009-08-27 06:34 pm UTC (link)

But then there are those young Dick stories, where Dick was going to be taken away? Bruce and Dick cried? Those teenage stories? The story where Dick went away to college?

I do think they had a father and son bond. Of course, Dick's never called him 'dad', and I think it would be super odd to start now. Just like, to me, it feels super odd to hear him use the word here, coupled with 'your' for Damian.

I hope I'm wrong, and that Damian isn't being built up as being superior to Dick based on bloodline. :)

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sistermagpie
2009-08-27 06:40 pm UTC (link)

HUH??? Bruce took Dick in when he was a little boy (when he most certainly did need a father) and raised him, fulfilling the role of father in every way. The fact that he didn't call him a son, partly due to him not seeing himself as a father and partly due to Dick having a father who died (also very much due to conventions in 1940, though even there Bruce described Dick as "like a son to me"), does not change that they are father and son. That's why the adoption of Dick was emotional, because they were saying what they had both already felt for years.

The words that weren't said between them (father/son) have been a big thing in their relationship for years. Like at the emotional climax of the Prodigal arc. And even before that Dick naturally contrasted Bruce and his own father (who's only a memory). Part of the reason Bruce didn't call him a son was his absolute dread of that bond. It's scary having a son.

That's even gotten amped up with the "death" of Bruce--Alfred coming out and saying Bruce was his son, three sons battling over their father's legacy. Every other book in the line is playing a family mourning drama imo.

By no means does that undermine their connection or obvious love for each other, but to me it does put it in a slightly different category than strictly father/son in the traditional sense.

I think it does undermine their connection and obvious love for each other to suggest all those emotional moments around the words father and son, and even the legal adoption, doesn't make them father and son compared to a blood relationship, even between strangers. They're not a traditional father and son any more than Bruce and Alfred are a traditional father and son. Their family is non-traditional. I don't think Dick would ever want to encourage Damian in his selfish and sometimes childishly cruel demand to be seen as Bruce's only son. Dick might not be insecure about it since he already went through years of angst over this very issue, but Tim's going through his own version right now.

Of course, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong about the authorial motivations that factor into the story, and if that's the case I'll happily eat my words in another issue or two. :D

Based on what I've read in interviews that are then repeated in the books I feel like GM isn't hiding this intention at all. It's not, it seems to me, that he's trying to diss the other boys, just that he sees Damian as Bruce's first son and assumes everyone else would see it the same way. I would love it if it turned out that this is the beginning of an arc where Damian comes to see that Dick and the others are Bruce's sons and his brothers. If that happens I'll definitely appreciate it.

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lyraeinne
2009-08-27 07:16 pm UTC (link)

Bruce took Dick in when he was a little boy (when he most certainly did need a father) and raised him, fulfilling the role of father in every way.

That’s exactly the issue I have, really. I have yet to see a story, flashback or otherwise, where it’s Bruce who fulfills that role for Dick in any practical sense. Bruce gives him love, training, a purpose, and a home, but he also relies on him extensively for both physical and emotional support, and puts him in incalculable danger on a nightly basis. It’s Alfred who feeds him, clothes him, and does the build-me-up chats. To me that makes the relationship different and difficult to confine to one single category. Obviously it would be silly to suggest that there’s no familial or parental component to their relationship at all, but suggesting it both begins and ends with that alone sells it a little short, for me.

I think it does undermine their connection and obvious love for each other to suggest all those emotional moments around the words father and son, and even the legal adoption, doesn't make them father and son compared to a blood relationship, even between strangers.

Again, I don’t think the issue is adoption versus blood connection at all, since I do think that by the time Jason and Tim came along Bruce was ready to take on a more explicitly defined parental role, hence why he adopted Jason right away and Tim as soon as soon as he’d been orphaned. And it’s equally clear to me that post-adoption, both Bruce and Dick have made a stronger effort to define their current relationship in terms of a father/son bond. But it’s something they’ve come to accept as it developed over time, not (to me) a reality that necessarily existed from the beginning.

Based on what I've read in interviews that are then repeated in the books I feel like GM isn't hiding this intention at all. It's not, it seems to me, that he's trying to diss the other boys, just that he sees Damian as Bruce's first son and assumes everyone else would see it the same way.

I have to admit I haven’t read any Morrison interviews relating to this arc at all, but if that’s the case I’ll definitely be annoyed. To be clear, the idea of genetic predestination/superiority does bother me quite a bit where Damian is concerned. I’m just hoping to see the story develop in a different direction instead. :)

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runespoor7
2009-08-27 07:34 pm UTC (link)

In many cultures, the role Alfred fills is more similar to that of a mother. The father, until recently, wasn't supposed to do much emotional bonding with his children, he was the one who was supposed to teach them. In that sense, Bruce is an almost stereotypical father, and Alfred an almost stereotypical Team Mom.

hence why he adopted Jason right away and Tim as soon as soon as he’d been orphaned.

This is just an interpretation, but I'd be willing to bet anything that Bruce wouldn't have adopted Tim if he hadn't adopted Dick before or if Dick had died after Bruce adopted him. It took him a long time to get over the fact that Jason had died; when he adopted Dick and realized it didn't immediately sign the death warrant of another loved one, it became safe to express his love that way. Safe to ask Tim when the option became avalaible, and safe for Cass later on.

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lyraeinne
2009-08-27 08:40 pm UTC (link)

Ooh, that is an interesting concept. I've always thought that Jason's death was devastating for Bruce at least in part because Jason was the first child he adopted, which then fed into his later reluctance and guilt when it came to officially adopting Dick. Maybe he himself was questioning by then why he hadn't adopted him to start with, which I still would chalk up to Bruce being too young and self-absorbed at the time to really think of himself as Dick's parent in that sense.

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sistermagpie
2009-08-27 07:44 pm UTC (link)

Bruce gives him love, training, a purpose, and a home, but he also relies on him extensively for both physical and emotional support, and puts him in incalculable danger on a nightly basis.

Their father/son relationship is more co-dependent than one could say was always healthy. Bruce did in some ways look to Dick as a friend, though he's not the first parental figure to do so. But while Alfred might cook the food, Bruce is his legal guardian both in name and in the practical sense. They ate together, there's scenes where they more or less dressed together (in civvies) to go out together. Emotional support was understood to be one of the main things Bruce provided for Dick by understanding what he went through with his parents. There are times where Bruce reassured him emotionally. Alfred started running interference around the time the comics retconned in adolescent conflict between Dick and Bruce--which is why there are sometimes jokes about how Alfred is Dick's mother and Bruce is his father. I've no doubt Bruce is the one who taught him to shave and tie a necktie. Canonically Bruce signed his report cards and grounded him if his grades weren't up to snuff. The guy was very involved in all aspects of Dick's life.

Bruce is also responsible for a large part of Dick's ethical development via his training and one-on-one teaching. There is not a big divide between Dick's professional training and personal nurturing. They're Dick/Bruce, Batman/Robin and father/son.

Again, I don’t think the issue is adoption versus blood connection at all, since I do think that by the time Jason and Tim came along Bruce was ready to take on a more explicitly defined parental role, hence why he adopted Jason right away and Tim as soon as soon as he’d been orphaned.

But what's the difference between the relationships except for the piece of paper? Especially given that Dick was the kid he actually raised for most of his life? I doubt Tim or Jason would ever consider himself a son to Bruce where Dick was not.

But it’s something they’ve come to accept as it developed over time, not (to me) a reality that necessarily existed from the beginning.

Not from the beginning, no. I doubt Bruce knew what he was getting into in taking Dick in. Dick's the one who made him a father, though, through Bruce's raising of him. I don't think it took Bruce up until Dick was 23 to consider him his son. It just took him that long to admit it.

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lyraeinne
2009-08-27 09:03 pm UTC (link)

But what's the difference between the relationships except for the piece of paper? Especially given that Dick was the kid he actually raised for most of his life? I doubt Tim or Jason would ever consider himself a son to Bruce where Dick was not.

I don't think it's the piece of paper that matters at all, just the fact that at the time he took Dick in Bruce himself was very young and not really intending to be the parent in the sense that he was with Jason or later, Tim. At this point it certainly doesn't make him any less Bruce's son, but it does change the dynamic a bit for me, particularly whatwith the sliding timeline in current canon putting them at most maybe twelve - fifteen years apart. It's a complicated relationship, and even now there's really no one Bruce relies on more other than Alfred, maybe. Dick is a friend and a comrade as much as he is a son, simply because that's how Bruce trained him and initially framed the relationship, and I would argue that he always has been.

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sistermagpie
2009-08-27 09:51 pm UTC (link)

Definitely now he's a friend and comrade as well as a son, and in some ways always was, I agree--this is true with all of them since Bruce has no kids who aren't also Robin. Most good parent/child relationships eventually move into that, and for them it's far more so because they were always comrades in arms. I don't think Bruce took Dick in truly aware that he would be a father-he probably couldn't even conceive of such a thing, but for me that's what just makes it more real. He took Dick in on impulse, having watched him lose his parents at the same age Bruce lost his and in a similar way. There's more to their relationship than father and son, but given all their obsessions with family that aspect of it means a lot imo.

For me, also, the sliding age timeline is less important since nobody's ages make any sense when it comes to that. I've read plenty of stories where Bruce is an adult man taking care of a boy, so I can't think of any time Bruce seemed too young to be Dick's father. Those older stories because that's Dick's entire childhood. He grew up in the golden, silver and bronze age and that's still his canon.

That's also why I think the later stories make it a source of pain for Dick, because whatever Bruce wanted to tell himself he was, to Dick he was a father and more. Denying it to cover himself emotionally, or because he feared it was too much to ask, was hurtful. Not the legal adoption aspect because when Bruce originally said he just didn't think of it way back Dick could understand that, but any implication that he didn't accept Dick as a son. So I've got the old issues where Bruce seems to totally act like a proud father, then the modern stories where they talk about being father and son. They did, I believe, once even retcon the adoption and say that Dick was adopted right away, but I think the reason people ignored the retcon was that the whole "ward" thing was so well known, and people felt like it needed to be addressed.

Part of it too, I think, is culture creep. I think there's a real difference in what behavior was expected from a father in the past, so there might be different cues that people would recognize as Bruce being a dad or not. In Disney movie terms, it's more Bambi than Lion King.

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Dick and Bruce: Father and Son

mysteryfan
2009-08-27 07:46 pm UTC (link)

That’s exactly the issue I have, really. I have yet to see a story, flashback or otherwise, where it’s Bruce who fulfills that role for Dick in any practical sense.

Fair enough:) Here's the first one I can think of, right off the top of my head. It's certainly not their first father/son moment, but it's just the one that quickly came to mind.

More here: http://community.livejournal.com/robin_daily/111135.html#cutid1

Of course, Bruce and Dick did/do have conflicts. But as Prodigal tells us, that's what fathers and sons do.

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Re: Dick and Bruce: Father and Son

lyraeinne
2009-08-27 08:41 pm UTC (link)

Aw, that's a really nice story. Clearly I need to read more Bronze Age. :D

But again, with a canon that goes back so far and splinters so many times, it's hard for me reconcile a lot of those earlier, sweeter moments with the current Bruce and Dick. And even then, for the most part I really tend to see too much comradeship and friendship between them for me to believe that the father/son component of their relationship is really the only one that matters. It's a paternal bond certainly, but it's more complicated than that, too (to me, at least).

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sistermagpie
2009-08-27 02:04 pm UTC (link)

"People who knew your parents" yes, would refer to him as "your dad." Dick isn't someone who knew his parent, he's someone who shares his parent. I don't have a problem with Dick being supportive of Damian's desire to have a connection to Bruce--he does that in other comics without using phrasing I think is weird for a person talking about their own father. In the this comic I think Dick really isn't considered Bruce's son.

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	mysteryfan 2009-08-27 03:27 pm UTC (link)
	I agree with this comment. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	runespoor7 2009-08-27 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	Given that Dick's next sentence is "this time it's personal", I assume he emphasizes the "your dad" to drive how personal it is through Damian's head. Since, y'know, heroes can't do heroic things if it's not personal somehow. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mysteryfan 2009-08-27 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	to drive how personal it is through Damian's head If that's true, a shared Bruce would make it even more personal. By emphasizing the bond between Dick and Damian. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

runespoor7
2009-08-27 05:05 pm UTC (link)

It'd risk rubbing Damian the wrong way, seeing as how Damian is all "my dad, not yours, mine mine mine". Damian doesn't want to acknowledge the bond between Bruce and Dick as being as legitimate if not more than his relation to Bruce. By playing into it, Dick makes sure that Damian focuses on the important thing - le Bossu = bad guy, it's personal - instead of taking the chance that Damian would bicker or rebel later on.

Dick also says that le Bossu went after him, as a part of what makes it personal. By wording it that way, he makes the link between Damian and him and leaves Bruce out of it.

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mysteryfan
2009-08-27 05:11 pm UTC (link)

Hmm. I don't see it that way, myself. Seems to me just like a reason that's being applied as a possibility afterwards, rather than what we're really seeing here.

For one thing, it's pretty much a given Damian will bicker and rebel later on, no matter what.

I really do think that particular statement is to mark the difference between growing up with Bruce and having Bruce's DNA.

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runespoor7
2009-08-27 05:22 pm UTC (link)

Oh, I agree. I'm simply trying to find a justification why Dick might be saying this that makes sense for the character and isn't "Morrison is shoving genetic predermination down our throats again". I don't doubt that emphasizing that Damian is Bruce's True Son is always on Morrison's mind, but I generally try to make that sort of thing make sense for the characters involved before I start applying selective discontinuity.

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	mysteryfan 2009-08-27 05:57 pm UTC (link)
	Oh! Okay:) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sistermagpie 2009-08-27 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	That definitely seems to be the point he's making in bringing in "your dad." And he was almost lobotomized, which is why it's personal for him. Which avoids the idea that Dick and Damian would share the Bruce personal connection. (Reply to this) (Parent)

mysteryfan
2009-08-27 03:26 pm UTC (link)

You know, the way people who knew you dead parents will try to make you feel better by talking what little they know about them?

I disagree. And Alfred already acknowledges Damian as Bruce's son.

Dick isn't 'someone who knew Dami's dead father'. Dick's not a family friend.

And Damian already refers to himself that way. IMO, that line's for us, not for Damian, to hear. And that Dick's acknowledging himself to be less of a son than Damian, because Dick is only adopted and raised by Bruce, not an inheritor of Bruce's blood.

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	jlroberson 2009-08-27 06:24 am UTC (link)
	I think Damian is driving, actually. Poor Dick. Sidekick born. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arbre_rieur 2009-08-27 06:36 am UTC (link)
	"Is Dick driving on the right?" Huh. Apparently, he is. This is what happens when you let those durn UK-ers draw comic books. (Reply to this) (Parent)

lyraeinne
2009-08-27 04:03 am UTC (link)

Man, am I loving Quitely's art. I really think he may be one of the only artists right now who really seems to be making an effort to draw Dick under the cowl rather than Bruce with a few less lines (if we're lucky). Damian looks age appropriate and adorable. There's nice transitions between the pretty and the grotesque. Good all around, really.

It kind of broke my heart a little that Damian not only didn't expect Dick to come after him in the first place, but by extension found it difficult to reconcile that he bothered to save his life once he did. Damian works best as a character when he's allowed that kind of vulnerability, I think, and I like that we're finally seeing snatches of it here and there. There's really a lot of potential in that kind of conflict between Dick, who thrives on familial connections above everything else, and Damian, who has virtually no context for anything resembling loyalty or affection, other than his mother's oppressive smothering. If anyone can break through and soften him up a little, it will naturally be Dick.

And it's entirely possible I missed some vitally important story point way back that would have explained this, but do we know what the official story is on Damian for the rest of the world? At least in terms of who he is and why he's living in Bruce Wayne's penthouse with Bruce Wayne's former ward? Does he go to school? Leave the house at all other than in the Robin suit? Inquiring minds wants to know, DC.

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	jlroberson 2009-08-27 06:25 am UTC (link)
	The cops have a history of hearing about the goings on with children at the manor, sighing and then saying, "Forget it, it's Chinatown." (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yaseen101 2009-08-27 06:27 am UTC (link)
	ITA. Last night I was visiting some sites and one of them had this idea of Damien going to school and well, being Damien written by Paul Dini of course. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nymphgalatea 2009-08-27 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	I just had this horrifying mental picture of Damian in a school uniform, sighing and tutting while Alfred goes through his schoolbag and removes all the deadly weaponry. "No, Damian, one cannot take a morningstar or a small thermonuclear weapon to Show & Tell. It's simply not done" (Reply to this) (Parent)