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Dreamreaver (dreamreaver) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-25 10:31:00

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char: flash/barry allen, char: max mercury, char: professor zoom/eobard thawne, title: flash rebirth

Flash: Rebirth #4 preview
From The Source.

I'm still waiting for Johns to acknowledge Bart as a Thawne descendant...so I'm a sucker for the crazy family tree, sue me.

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starwolf_oakley
2009-08-25 01:29 am UTC (link)

Is Johns taking issue with the whole "Barry as the DC Universe's first saint" that Mark Waid started and most other DC writers (forgive the pun) ran with?

Of course, this is Thawne that's talking, and he was only a "boring lab rat" *before* he became the Flash. And he was willing to (selfishly?) stay in the future with Iris before getting "called up" to save the universe.

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magus_69
2009-08-25 07:58 am UTC (link)

If Johns took issue with the concept, he'd have had one of his pets debunk it. Instead, he's having a villain say it, which means that he's taking issue with the complaint.

He's also showing how Barry really wasn't all that boring. I wholeheartedly approve of the idea, but I do take exception to the retcons to Barry's backstory. DC is allegedly the more idealistic of the Big Two, so why can't they have a hero who isn't motivated by some tragedy?

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	bluejaybirdie 2009-08-25 01:40 am UTC (link)
	So Barry killed Thrawne, origanally? Huh. Didn't know that. What do you want to bet that this particular incident is not going to get the "Max Lord" treatment? On the other hand, yayyyyy Max! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	dreamreaver 2009-08-25 01:42 am UTC (link)
	Uh, it happened in the 70s...I'm not understanding your comment. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Ooops bluejaybirdie 2009-08-25 02:26 am UTC (link)
	Oh. I only just found that out now, so I was assuming it was a retcon (like Barry's new darker and edgier origins). My bad. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thormonger 2009-08-25 04:21 am UTC (link)
	Thawne had already killed Iris, and bragged that he was going to kill Barry's would-be new bride, Fiona Webb. Barry chased him down and snapped Thawne's neck almost at the last instant (Zoom was going for the vibrating-hand-through-the-brain trick again). It led to a very drawn-out trial. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

khaosworks
2009-08-25 06:10 am UTC (link)

Well, the long drawn out trial wasn't really the writer's fault. Cary Bates was about to wrap up the storyline when word came down that Barry Allen was on the death list for Crisis on Infinite Earths, so rather than come up with a new story arc after that he figured he'd let the title out out on the high point of Barry being acquitted and going off to (ostensibly) live happily-ever-after with Iris in the 30th Century. So the trial had to be stretched until Crisis was ready to go.

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	yaseen101 2009-08-25 03:51 pm UTC (link)
	Well it was..what 10 years in DC's time? and Diana killing Maxwell Lord is around 3-4 years and the one that most readers will likely remember. (Reply to this) (Parent)

neotoma
2009-08-25 02:01 am UTC (link)

I'm not sure how 'poisons your family through you' works out? Thawne seems to be attacking everyone who uses the Speed Force -- whether or not they are a Flash, or a Flash-enemy (Savitar could by no means be described as part of the 'family').

I'm still waiting for Johns to acknowledge Bart as a Thawne descendant

That, and it'd be nice if Johns remembers that *Owen Mercer* is a Thawne descendant, since he's the one who *wrote* it.

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	daso 2009-08-26 08:33 am UTC (link)
	it'd be nice if Johns remembers that Owen Mercer* is a Thawne descendant, since he's the one who wrote it.* There's a difference between "remembering it" and "constantly referencing it" - the second one is really poor writing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neotoma 2009-08-26 10:08 am UTC (link)
	I don't want constant referencing. I want it to be used in a place where it makes sense to use it -- if Thawne is going after speedsters, including ones that are enemies of the Flash like Savitar, it seems like using Owen Mercer would make sense. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

daso
2009-08-26 12:37 pm UTC (link)

All right, I got you. There are a couple things though.
-First of all, Kid Boomerang isn't a speedster. Not like Jay Garrick, Johnny Quick, Wally West, Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Max Mercury or any character that can run fast that has or has not appeared in Flash Rebirth.
-Has, as far as I know, no established connection to the Speed Force. It's not certain that Mercer is tapping it to throw boomerangs - likely considering his heritage, but not a given.
-Lastly, if Prof Thawne ever said "I'm going after all the speedsters" I must have missed that. I can't remember him saying that.

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neotoma
2009-08-27 01:02 am UTC (link)

Actually, Owen *is* a speedster -- in OUTSIDERS: FIVE OF A KIND he outruns the mach-force suction of a catastrophic decompression on the space-station he and Nightwing are on.

Now, whether he's a *competent* speedster is certainly open for debate.

Technically, in the DCU every speedster is connected to the Speed Force, except Zoom/Hunter Zolomon, who is actually manipulating *time* to give himself superspeed.

Thawne didn't say he was going after all speedsters -- he said he was going after Barry's family. But he killed Savitar and Lady Savitar, who were not friends/allies at all; they were *enemies* of Wally -- they didn't even exist when Barry was around. If Geoff Johns is bring in every currently living speedster, it seems a little odd that he excluded Owen Mercer.

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	parsimonia 2009-08-25 02:18 am UTC (link)
	Barry, it's nice that you're not-dead and all, but your butt is nowhere near as nice as Wally's. Wally's butt FTW! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	dreamreaver 2009-08-25 02:38 am UTC (link)
	I noticed that too. Pretty jarring really =/ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-08-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
	My reasons for liking Wally-as-Flash better than Barry-as-Flash: 1) I knew about Wally first because of Justice League/JLU. 2) Yay legacy heroes! 3) Wally's lovely butt. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zordboy 2009-08-25 04:31 am UTC (link)
	Gonna have to agree with you on that one. Wally's definitely prettier, as a Flash. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-08-25 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	Hells yes. Wally will forever be my Flash. Until someone awesomeer comes along... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-08-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
	GIP (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-08-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
	Sweet. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	swingbound.livejournal.com 2009-08-25 03:47 am UTC (link)
	Wow... that's some pretty awful dialogue. As for "Zoom's Speed Force"... Wut? (Reply to this)

	thormonger 2009-08-25 04:23 am UTC (link)
	Wow, I almost forgot about this mini. And I was geeked about it when I heard about it. Too bad it's going to be the end of the year before it's finally wrapped up. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thormonger 2009-08-25 04:28 am UTC (link)
	OK, it looks like it might be worth the wait, and I do rather like that variant cover. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hearthemvoices 2009-08-25 05:42 am UTC (link)
	Would DC be kind enough to pass a Black Lantern Ring to Thawne? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-08-25 10:05 am UTC (link)
	Seems then Nekron would have his power levels in, oh, an hour. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-08-25 06:59 am UTC (link)
	You're early No shit, Thawne. He's the fastest man alive. You thought maybe he'd be late??? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	dreamreaver 2009-08-25 08:19 am UTC (link)
	Someone woke up on the wrong side today! Look, if you're going to bitch about the comic, at least have some legit complaints backing it up. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lawrence_live 2009-08-25 02:30 pm UTC (link)
	Well, he made me lol at least :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	interrobamf 2009-08-25 09:33 am UTC (link)
	This is just me speculating, but I don't think you've ever actually read a Barry Allen comic in your life. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlroberson 2009-08-25 10:05 am UTC (link)
	Barry was always notoriously late. It was a running(pardon the pun) joke for years. Iris, before she knew he was the Flash, called him "the slowest man alive." (Reply to this) (Parent)

jlroberson
2009-08-25 07:18 am UTC (link)

This is good(and I've liked the book so far, even though I'm not a Flash fan). What I always liked about Prof. Zoom is his unremitting, unrepentant, sadistic viciousness, and Johns seems to have called this up. He reminds us: this is the only man Barry found it necessary to kill. This is a Rogue than cannot be made friendly(if you can call him something so cute as a "Rogue" anyway) If he does for Zoom what he did for Sinestro, I'll be happy.

That said: you don't see it here but you do in the pages in the preview--WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WITH JOHNS AND INJURIES TO ARMS?

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	ian_karkull 2009-08-25 07:34 am UTC (link)
	I do not understand a single word these people are saying. What an awful comic. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	toasty_fresh 2009-08-25 01:47 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, good, I thought it was just me for a minute there. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	magus_69 2009-08-25 07:54 am UTC (link)
	I'll give Johns a pass on making an Anti-Speed Force, because he's just taking the longstanding "Anti-Flash" concept to it's logical conclusion. However, I'm a little annoyed that he's dismissing legitimate complaints by having a villain make them yet again. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-08-25 09:40 am UTC (link)
	I don't really care for the idea, personally. What about the Speed Force necessitates opposite polarities? Seems to me that he's trying to make a Flash version of the Sinestro Corps. Even though he's already killed off ~~Inertia~~ Kid Zoom, depowered Zoom, and probably will never resolve the Rival/Max Mercury thing. Dammit, I want Zoom back. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-08-25 10:03 am UTC (link)
	>>What about the Speed Force necessitates opposite polarities? Because in the DCU EVERYthing is about opposite polarities. Keep in mind, DC has pretty much always been about a GOOD vs. EVIL polarity. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	vignettelante 2009-08-25 09:54 am UTC (link)
	Why would there be a negative Speed Force? What does that even entail? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-08-25 10:02 am UTC (link)
	To be perfectly honest, I always thought the SF itself was a bit silly, so... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-08-25 10:15 am UTC (link)
	maybe it's what keeps the speed force from going crazy. I mean supposedly it's what keeps moving, but people with the speed force can go from one place to another in an instant. Maybe it's what keeps things flowing in a logical order. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	readeriif 2009-08-25 02:18 pm UTC (link)
	It's a rather clunky name, but my theory would be: 'for every action, there must be an equal, an opposite, reaction'. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	toasty_fresh 2009-08-25 01:48 pm UTC (link)
	This art is really failing for me. It doesn't convey speed to me at all-- Thawne just looks like he's got a bunch of clones in some panels. (Reply to this)

	daso 2009-08-25 02:21 pm UTC (link)
	Johns has acknowledged it, in Flash #224, the "Rogue War" arc. Bart says "Allen blood runs through my veins, not his." Zoom II saying "You should be fighting on our side, you have evil genes!" and Bart saying "Thanks but no thanks." is Johns acknowledging it and saying "choose for yourself who you want to be". (Reply to this)

	scottyquick 2009-08-25 05:47 pm UTC (link)
	"See! See? THE BAD GUYS ARE SAYING THIS! If you say anything like that, you're JUST LIKE THEM!!!!" (Reply to this)

	thatnickguy 2009-08-25 06:03 pm UTC (link)
	So, Hal...er, Barry comes back to life and everyone's happy. Then, there's a threat where everything is going wrong with the Green Lantern rings, er, Speed Force. Now, Sinestro, er, Professor Zoom is back to life and has secretly been behind the whole thing in the first place. Anyone else getting deja vu? (Reply to this)

	ashez2ashes 2009-08-26 12:10 am UTC (link)
	What kind of weird ass pose is Max making in the background? It looks like he's froze in some kind of eternal hokie pokie. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bj_l 2009-08-26 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Max Mercury travelled back to the early 90's and became female. Thats the only way I can explain it. I mean, shit. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bj_l 2009-08-26 12:15 am UTC (link)
	more max mercury pls dc <3 brodie (Reply to this)