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zechs27 ([info]zechs27) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-19 19:06:00

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Entry tags:char: alfred pennyworth, char: batgirl/cassandra cain, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, creator: dylan horrocks, creator: rick leonardi, in-joke: herodickery, publisher: dc comics, title: batgirl

Batgirl vs Batman
Batgirl #49-50 aka Bruce versus Cass with her wanting to remain being Batgirl.



Why indeed Cass. Why indeed.



Do we have a Bat Dickery tag? If so where would that be?

#49 was regular so seven scans of that. #50 was double sized by I think 40 pages. I just went to the scans I thought best that highlighted the fight. I know the moment below was scanned before during One Perfect Moment week and the end was posted as well. Should I remove one page given that page was posted?

To summarize the events why this happened, Bruce was giving out some serious Bat Dickery moments. He put a end to Cass's relationship with Superboy, and other questionable acts all leading up to him "firing" her from the role. We start with #49 with Alfred giving her a new place to live:








Babs goes on to offer Cass anything, to which the later begs to be Batgirl still. Babs says she can't so Cass runs. Not before taking off with one item, Babs' Batgirl suit.



After making some modifications Cass begins her usual patrol and stuff (taking out some thugs for Tim whose all O_o what just happened?) Babs calls Bruce and he begins to add up what's going on.

Cass meanwhile finds Dr. Death ready to perform for some cilents a test of his latest drug compound. She crashes it but finds out she isn't the only one doing so:


#50:




Death throws the compound he wanted to test. It's called Soul, and it supposedly heightens aggression. Oh boy...





Bruce and Cass take their fight to multiple other levels. Dick tries to stop them only getting his butt handed to him by both. Tim tries the opposite route by going back to Death en route to jail in police convoy and getting a cure out of him.

The fight between Bruce and Cass reaches it's climax when:



Bruce drops the charge and ignites the bridge. Thankfully nobody is harmed from the explosion.





The two where effected by the drug though Bruce claims, "not as effective as Death claims." Still the two fought it out in as Babs puts it, "one screwed up therapy session." Still that's how it went down and why Cassandra was loyal to the symbol, not the man.




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[info]xdoop
2009-08-20 12:56 am UTC (link)

"He never let me touch him... hold him... Just fighting... and hurting..."

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[info]zechs27
2009-08-20 01:05 am UTC (link)
Lol I knew that was going to be posted. CURSE YOU FOR REMEMBERING! :P

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[info]fungo_squiggly
2009-08-20 01:58 am UTC (link)
He was showing her where he was going to kick her ass to if she didn't stop twisting his nipple.

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[info]requiem2adream
2009-08-20 10:21 am UTC (link)
Honestly, for me, this scene doesn't ring true for the way Cain was training her. Hugging on the roof while watching shooting stars just doesn't fit with that IMO.

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[info]jcbaggee
2009-08-20 11:46 am UTC (link)
It looks sweet and loving, but it's a trick. As soon as she thinks she sees what he's pointing at, he pops her in the nose for being guillible.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-20 01:07 am UTC (link)
Bat Dickery tag?

Is there a "Writer Idiocy" tag?

Goddamn it. I turned out okay this time but happened too goddamn often. People who write Batman as an emotionally distant pinprick need to die . . . no, no can't say that, might be construed as a threat, not to mention being against comm rulesbe hooked up to a live car battery, chained to an active helicopter rotor and repeatedly beaten with multiple leather straps which been dipped in poison and have had rusty, acid-tipped nails pushed through them and infrequent intervals, have dung dropped and flung at them, and terrible, yet still catchy, songs are played over and over too loudly on ugly guitars, and Carrot Top performs.

They could sell tickets.

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[info]punishermax
2009-08-20 01:08 am UTC (link)
Wow, you sound like a totally stable individual.

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[info]zechs27
2009-08-20 01:14 am UTC (link)
So is there a Writer Idiocy tag?

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SECOND STRIKE
[info]parsimonia
2009-08-20 03:05 pm UTC (link)
This is your SECOND OFFICIAL WARNING. This is what they call a "second strike" and you are now suspended from the community for the next fourteen days, after which you will be allowed to return. Please note that if you receive one further warning you will lose the ability to post on this community

Although you seem to be well aware of our community ethos, I'm going to ask you to read it again. Threats and insults will not be tolerated.

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[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-08-20 02:01 am UTC (link)
I'm a bit "meh" on the rest of this, but the panel where Babs is just holding Cass gives me the warm fuzzies. Those two had such an awesome, healthy relationship. Why hasn't DC had them together again now that Cass isn't evil anymore?

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[info]bariman1987
2009-08-20 06:39 am UTC (link)
Those two had such an awesome, healthy relationship.

That was sarcasm, yes?

The scene where they hug and she says she's loyal to the Bat is pretty awesome though.

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[info]jacobmb
2009-08-20 02:11 am UTC (link)
I always liked that scene, but considering how easily Cass was destroyed by DC's editors and writers, how important is Cass to the symbol? In my opinion, not very. So I can't really take her loyalty too seriously, especially if no one at DC does.

Cass is a great character and I think she can be independent of the main Bat Family, who at the moment are acting like douche bags. I rather read a book about Cass and Steph teaming up. They could crossover with Gotham City Sirens.

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[info]ladymirth
2009-08-20 02:25 am UTC (link)
"I don't want to fight you."

Well, of course Bruce, your protege is only THE BEST HUMAN MARTIAL ARTIST IN THE WORLD! *smug*

*then cries* WHY, DC, WHY?!

Say what you like, but I've always loved that fight. And of course, them having warm snuggly father/daughter cuddles. *sob*

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-08-20 02:31 am UTC (link)
so? He can beat superhumans with prep time.

Seriously, if there's one person out there who could make his body language say something different from what his mind is intending, I'd say it's Bruce Wayne.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-20 02:42 am UTC (link)
It's apparently very easy to beat her, though.

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[info]dr_hermes
2009-08-20 02:34 am UTC (link)
It's a given in storytelling that you make your heroes go through all sorts of suffering and injustice to keep readers coming back. Stories where the hero is treated well and triumphs easily are less compelling.

Lester Dent had a master plot and guidelines for when he was writing the best-selling Doc Savage pulp. Basically, it said to keep piling trouble on the hero, make things go wrong, give him a hard time all the way to the end. It's a formula that works.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-20 06:20 am UTC (link)
Lester Dent had the slight advantage of not having to respect characterization he himself hadn't created.

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[info]blackdocs
2009-08-20 03:27 am UTC (link)
w00t! this takes me back! i remember posting these back in the day. I still love it when she points to the Bat.

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-08-20 08:38 am UTC (link)
This makes it doubly out of character that she would ever - EVER - give up the Batgirl role like she just did. She went through hell to keep wearing that costume - look at her in those first few pages; she's miserable, hurt and confused. Having her just casually hand over the outfit to Steph and then disappear is just... no. No, it doesn't work that way. No.

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[info]timemonkey
2009-08-20 12:25 pm UTC (link)
Things change over time. Was it taken away or did she give it up?

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[info]vignettelante
2009-08-20 01:53 pm UTC (link)
So motto. And while they were in the field, to boot. That's the way to keep your identity safe...

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(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-08-20 08:50 pm UTC

[info]dr_hermes
2009-08-20 07:18 pm UTC (link)
People do have epiphanies and move on. Maybe she feels she's able to continue the fight in a new identity of her own devising, or maybe just as herself. (After all, "Cassandra Cain" is quite a name, both parts have resonance.)

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[info]sd_mouser
2009-08-20 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Someone will bring Cass back, sometime.

As for the "No, not you. THIS." I think she was talking about the IDEA, not the symbol.

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