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trelas ([info]trelas) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-08 01:49:00

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Entry tags:char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: jim gordon, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, creator: ed brubaker, creator: greg rucka

Beacons in the Darkness
As an avid Batman fan, I do think that there are several reasons why the Bat-verse stands so high among readers and is a source for so many great stories, and while the most important reason is up to everyone's own opinion, I think that it is hard to argue that one of the most important reasons isn't the supporting cast, their relationships with each other and the very world they inhabit. They all share a depth and complexity that is unfortunately relatively rare in such abundance in comic books and perhaps even more importantly, they can all be wrong in something. Especially Batman, as he has often been. They are flawed individuals, who just struggle to overcome those flaws and just do the right thing, not always succeeding, and to me makes them so relatable and even more heroic to me.

A central relationship over the past two decades has been the friendship between Batman and Jim Gordon, which has at times been throughly tested and strained, but has always proven to be a beautful thing. About five years ago, I think, DC published a five-part miniseries called Batman: Turning points, with each issue taking place at a crucial point in Batman continuity and fleshing out the evolution of their relationships at those points in original stories. It was mainly written by Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker and it doesn't shy from it's depence on continuity, relying on the reader to know something about the points when they took place. Still, I thought it was a great read and decided to share the crucial discussions in them here, with the exception of the fourth part, which takes place during AzBat period. It is good, but it feels a bit separate from the other parts. I actually posted this back at old S_D, but it bears repeating.

First part takes place shortly after the two come to an agreement Batman: Year One. Each issue in is artistically, and also in narratively, styled after a period in Batman publishing history, with the first part taking it's cues from B:YO. For those not aware for some reason, in B:YO Gordon is unfaithful to his wife, kissing a detective working under him, and at the end of the story the two have decided to give their marriage another chance. The issue begins with Gordon arriving home from work.





A crazy man quoting Byron and holding a semi-automatic gun has invaded a church wedding and taken everyone there hostage. Gordon arrives at the church, stopping the sociopaths working in the SWAT unit from invading the church, and then tries to negotiate with the lunatic. Even though the speech isn't easy to follow, Gordon understands that he is suffering from a broken heart and tries to reach out. It doesn't work and an officer comes around to tell Gordon that they identified the crazy man as a doctor Corbett, whose wife and three year old son died that morning in a car crash. Gordon wants to take they guy in alive and Batman approaches him from the shadow, asking for a chance and his trust. Gordon gives both and Batman manages to take out the guy inside the church with no one getting hurt. Corbett however manages to crawl to his bag and fetch a photo of his dead family, which he cradles as he goes unconcious.

After the situation has been handled, Gordon heads home.






The second part takes place shortly after Dick Grayson becomes Robin and stylistically is modelled after the 70's Batman, right up to Mr. Freeze's appearance. The beginning finds Gordon conflicted as he listens the story of an arrested goon of Freeze, who tells how Batman caught them with the aid of a brighly colored young boy. Something being told by many around town. So Gordon heads to the roof to confront Batman about the situation.







The duo are waiting for the released goon in his apartment and soon afterwards Gordon gets an anomous tip about Freeze's location, which happens ot  be an old warehouse filled with props. A nice shoutout to the old comics and their weird things. Anyway, the cops and the Dynamic Duo raid Freeze and manage to arrest his goons, but Freeze manages to get his freezegun, killing a cop and taking Robin hostage. The boy manages to free himself, leading Gordon to congratulate him, while still telling Batman Gordon's earlier warning is still true. That leaves Gordon with one last thing to do.



The third part takes place after The Killing Joke and Death in the Family and is styled after the nineties, with Batman trying to deal with tragedies in his own way. As he is, as mentioned, a flawed human being, that way is somewhat unhealthy. Basically he distances himself from the police, even avoiding answering the signal, and focuses on being able to take out criminals and exit before anyone even realizes he was there. Meanwhile a new serial killer is stalking Gotham, dubbed the Garbage Man as he dismembers his victims and then dumps them a garbage bin. Batman provides a lead to Gordon by leaving it to his desk, but it's less than Gordon is hoping for. Finally, someone goes to visit Bruce.





The following night, Gordon stands alone at the roof with the Bat-signal on, sighing as he turns it off. However Batman, apologizing for his silence and asking how the serial killer case is going. Gordon says they are making progress, but wonders that isn't this something closer to Batman's experience.








The final part took place in the then-current storyline in Batman comics, with the style of course matching. At that point Gordon had been shot by a guy he once arrested and as the result of the soul-searching caused by the incident, he decides to retire, with a new comissioner taking over. At this point, Corbett, the guy from the church, arrives to Gotham with his new family and tries to contact Gordon and Batman by phone and by going to the precinct, drawing a blank on both times. Finally, he decides to take action.









Naturally, both head to the roof, Batman getting there first, seeing Corbett waiting by the signal with his wife and daughter.Gordon is close behind the Bat, rushing the roof with other police officers with their guns drawn, demanding to know what Corbett wants His daughter is scared by this as well as Bats sudden appearance behind them, leaping to his father's arms.







There is a lot I could say/write about these scans and how beautifully they weave the relationship between the two over the years, with the exception of their strained relationship after KnightFall/Legacy/NML, but that was a bit of a long and complicated period to cover in a couple of issues and it works well without it. I however find myself hesitant to add anything, because although I could ramble on for a small eternity over all the small details, but the story tells it so well that I'll just leave it to that.

I will just say that I love that last panel, because it sums up the roles of those two men so well. They're the lone starts in the vast darkness, tired and old, having suffered more than most of the other heroes in DCU could even imagine, yet who continue to stand tall. They're extremely human, with moments of doubt, frailty and weakness, yet to me they are among the greatest heroes in comics, probably due to those very reasons. I guess I'll just leave it that and hope you enjoyed these scans as much as I did.


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[info]starwolf_oakley
2009-08-07 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Funny that Barbara could also get most of the furniture out of the apartment before Gordon got home.

Gordon might have figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman eventually, but he couldn't have known when he said "You ever have anyone walk out on you?" Gordon was angry, but he wouldn't be a dick about it. Besides, Bruce knows it's not like his parents *wanted* and *chose* to leave him, so it really *isn't* the same thing.

Does this series have a Knightfall-era chapter by Chuck Dixon? Or am I thinking of a different series or one-shot? IIRC, Gordon tries questioning Bane if the "first" Batman is dead or not.

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[info]magus_69
2009-08-08 12:06 am UTC (link)
Gordon might have figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman eventually, but he couldn't have known when he said "You ever have anyone walk out on you?" Gordon was angry, but he wouldn't be a dick about it. Besides, Bruce knows it's not like his parents *wanted* and *chose* to leave him, so it really *isn't* the same thing.

Isn't that sequence from very shortly after Bruce debuted as Batman? If so, then it's too early for Gordon to have figured it out. I have no doubt that he put it together very quickly, but this is quite literally too soon for that.

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[info]sir_razorback
2009-08-08 03:57 am UTC (link)
Not too hard really, just grab Jim's credit card and call some movers. People don't always play nice when the D-Word is involved.

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 08:14 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that was by Dixon. It was a good read, but felt extremely separate from the rest of the miniseries for several reasons.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 12:32 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the coming back home and finding the house empty scene makes Barbara look extremely bad. It's annoying that an otherwise excellent writer felt justified in doing that to her, as in Batman: Year One, though she was basically an accessory to Jim's character, she was portrayed as supportive, mature and responsible.

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[info]omgwtflolbbqbye
2009-08-07 11:52 pm UTC (link)
For some reason I lol'ed at the panel of Batman sitting in Gordon's bare flat, blatantly rummaging through his divorce papers.

Way to be subtle Bats.

He probably was sitting on his toilet reading Gordon's prescription bottles just a few minutes earlier.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-08-08 07:51 pm UTC (link)
OMG, that is so funny because it is SO TRUE.

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[info]queenanthai
2009-08-08 12:50 am UTC (link)

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[info]nezchan
2009-08-08 01:12 am UTC (link)
This.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 01:23 am UTC (link)

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[info]faile_neume
2009-08-08 01:02 am UTC (link)
Thanks for these scans, I love the friendship between Bruce and Jim. I think it's pretty obvious that Jim has figured out who Batman is, especially that comment about Jason being his son.

I really liked the scene in Jim's garden, Batman chewing on the end of his thumb is really cute and so natural it makes the whole thing seem a lot more real.

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[info]xandertarbert
2009-08-08 01:44 am UTC (link)
I like me a Batman who chews on his thumb. I neat habit that he picked up while thinking.

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[info]omgwtflolbbqbye
2009-08-08 02:30 am UTC (link)
I think he was probably just thinking of terms of Batman and Robin rather than Bruce and Jason with that remark.

He would obviously have spent more time seeing them interact with one another in costume than as Bruce Wayne and his ward.

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[info]faile_neume
2009-08-08 02:34 am UTC (link)
Yeah but knowing that Robin was Jason (which I assume he did) and was therefore Bruce's ward. And then seeing Bats and Robin being father and son-like. It's a pretty natural assumption that Jason being Bruce's ward means that Bruce is Batman. Because who else could have been a 'father' to Jason. And I am pretty confident that Jim knowing Bats as well as he did (especially in terms of injuries) could always make the further link between "hey, everytime Batman gets seriously injured a couple of days later Bruce Wayne gets in a car accident"

I don't think that made sense, but I know what I mean.

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[info]janegray
2009-08-09 12:08 am UTC (link)
Jason wasn't Bruce's ward, he was Bruce's legally adopted son.

Which makes Bruce's "he wasn't my son" comment particularly dick-y.

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[info]faile_neume
2009-08-09 02:07 am UTC (link)
Oh okay, I just assumed he was a ward.

Maybe Bruce was trying to throw Jim off? Or he's just a dick. Both are plausible.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 02:39 am UTC (link)
The 43-45 arc of Gotham Knights imply heavily that Jim knows Bruce Wayne = Batman. Issue 44, iirc, has Jim pestering that Batman's not in town and unreachable, and when he goes home he finds Babs telling him that Jason Todd, whom she tutored, has died. It's been a while since I read that scene, but Jim has an expression there that says clearly he can see the link between the two.

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[info]whitecometrx7
2009-08-08 01:15 am UTC (link)
i'm about to start reading some of batman stuff from the past, but aside from killing joke i really have no idea what to read, can someone name some batman stories that are must reads? thx

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
To Kill A Legend.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-08-08 05:26 am UTC (link)
The Killing Joke most definitely isn't a must read.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-08 05:33 am UTC (link)
The Killing Joke is a must read for Joker.

Ignore the terrible mistreatment of Barbara Gordon.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-08-08 05:40 am UTC (link)
I never got WHY it is though. So he has a possible origin! ZOMG, NO WAI!

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 08:21 am UTC (link)
It is one of the stories that set a tone for Bat-verse for several years, one that was extremely well received by fans and influenced countless of creators. Dude, even if you don't like it, it's pretty evident why people count it as a must-read. Next you'll ask why Watchmen is listed as one.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-08 08:46 am UTC (link)
It was a lot more than that, especially when viewed in context of the time in came out. Aside from the exquisite Bolland art, it was the most detailed examination of the Bats/Joker dichotomy up to that point.

Plus it's the nature of the possible origin that helps sell it - If the Joker's origin is true, then, like Bruce Wayne, the Joker had the same sort of tragedy as Bruce did, the loss of a loved one, the proverbial "one bad day", but instead of using that to motivate him to hold on to life, it motivated him to embrace chaos. If, as is just as likely, the Joker's origin is false, then it adds a level of almost pathos to his insanity.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-08 06:18 pm UTC (link)
As the Joker himself says, the origin may be invalid.

No, the reason it's a must read is because a) it's well written, b) it was the first serious look at the Joker's psychology, c) it cemented the relationship and dichotomy between Batman and Joker, d) it influenced countless stories that came after, and e)it showed Gordon as awesome. "By the book, you hear? We have to show him! We have to show him that our way works!"

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[info]bluefall
2009-08-08 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Except it's really not well-written, and it's a crappy take on the Joker. There's no theme, no creativity, no humor, it's not even close to the kind of grandiose sick genius he's all about, and it really doesn't say anything even remotely clever about their relationship. "We're locked in an eternal struggle!" Gee, really? Just because Moore was among the first to actually put it on paper and get it published in reference to that particular pair of characters doesn't make it a new or even slightly insightful idea, as Moore himself will readily tell you.

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[info]taggerung301
2009-08-08 01:50 am UTC (link)
oh wow
love this
the last one definitely touched my heart

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[info]thandrak
2009-08-08 02:03 am UTC (link)
Somewhere, it's written that children are not afraid of Batman. It's got to be on a list of rules. There are too many stories like that for it not to be written down somewhere.

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[info]faile_neume
2009-08-08 02:38 am UTC (link)
Everyone always seems to assume that Batman terrifies children, but they actually tend to be adorable with him. People forget that he's basically raised three kids. His interactions with Jaime are a wonderful example of how good Bats is with kids.

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[info]hyaroo
2009-08-08 08:39 am UTC (link)
I remember a segment from the Justice League: New Frontier movie (didn't really like it all that much, but it had its moments), where Batman -- early in his career, definitely pre-Robin -- goes to save a kid from kidnappers... and he terrifies and freaks out the kidnappers, sure enough, but he also terrifies and freaks out the kid, who refuses to be rescued by this scary man who's probably ten times worse than the kidnappers.

Batman very obviously regrets this, and the next time we see him he's changed his costume for a slightly less intimidating one and is working with the ever-cheerful Robin. Superman comments on the change, and Batman says something about how there's a difference between frightening the villains you go after and frightening the innocents you're supposed to protect.

Which kinda makes sense. I think I'd like Batman more if fans and creators didn't constantly harp on and on about how awesome he is and how he can do anything... and how "I'm Batman" is apparently the most incredibly brilliant thing anyone can ever say. *sigh*

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[info]khaosworks
2009-08-08 02:42 am UTC (link)
DC Universe Online

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-08 05:30 am UTC (link)
Awesome. More awesome than Deadpool dodging a missile while in a monster truck.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-08 08:53 am UTC (link)
It was actually been stated in story in a 1970's backup story.

Bruce Wayne is leading a camping trip with a bunch of underpriveleged kids, and they all tell campfire tales of what they think Batman is really like; supernatural being, high tech avenger, superbeing, etc. At the end, for fun, Batman himself jumps down from a tree to scare them. The kids don't miss a beat, but just point out to Mr Wayne that there's no way HE could ever be Batman. Bruce reflects that children, and those who have nothing to fear, AREN'T scared of a guy in a batsuit, because there's no reason he should.

Then there the silent black and white story about a Gotham kid needing a nightlight, and eventually finding that the batsignal works better.

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[info]thandrak
2009-08-08 10:42 am UTC (link)
And don't forget that one with Plastic Man's kid. There's a long history of kids not being scared by Batman, because they have nothing to fear.

I'm saying that it's got to be written in a bible somewhere.

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 11:03 am UTC (link)
I'm not completely certain what story you are referring to, as in the JLA story Batman terrified Plas's kid.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 12:27 pm UTC (link)
There are two stories; in the first Bats does everything he can to terrify the kid (who is orginally much less afraid of him than the other members of the gang), and the second is when Batman comes back to ask for Plas' help against The Burning, where Luke doesn't seem frightened in the slightest, after the original mention that he's kept out of that stuff. In both cases it came across as though a child is much less likely to be scared of Batman unless Bats puts special effort into it.

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 03:48 pm UTC (link)
The story didn't get that way, Batman didn't even have to anything special to scare Luke. The second one, yeah, but those were special circumstances. Actually, in the first one Batman specifically warns Plas that bringing him in isn't a good idea because he has an effect, not a positive one, on children.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 04:14 pm UTC (link)
He says he can have a negative effect on the mind of a ten-year old, which I read as meaning that he can have a negative effect on the mind of a ten-year old he's attempting to scare. When Luke sees him, at first his jaw drops, then Bats start bullying him, and Luke doesn't react so shabbily for a ten-year old. The older members of the gang, meanwhile, are sitting in shock; one of them is crying. (And for the purpose of the discussion, I think we ought to keep in mind that unlike other children Batman faces, Luke has something to fear of Batman/the law.)

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Luke was a scared little boy, who Batman faced after putting the fear of god in to the rest of the gang. He even warns Luke that if he continues, Batman will do the same to him as he did to the rest of the gang. Luke tries to stand up, but even it is empty bravado, which is quickly taken away. To use that scene, that interaction, as some sort of evidence that Batman doesn't scare children is in my opinion rather far-fetched and even going against one of the points of the interaction between Bats and Plas in the story.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-08-08 05:13 pm UTC (link)
He doesn't scare children he's not attempting to scare. Putting the fear of the Bat was what Plas has asked of him, so he did.

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[info]hyaroo
2009-08-08 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Batman can perfectly control who he scares and who he doesn't scare. I'm pretty sure that there are several children who find him incredibly scary (such as in the New Frontier movie).

But he does seem to put quite a bit of effort into not scaring the children, being a lot more kind and patient with them than he is with just about anyone else.

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's kind of my take on it as well.

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[info]glimmung
2009-08-08 06:02 am UTC (link)
God I love Paul Pope's art. I wish more of his stuff was in print.

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-08-08 06:52 am UTC (link)
Man, that last bit is lovely. That final image of Bats and Gordon standing there smiling just sums up the relationship so well. I read something once saying that one of the reasons Gordon respects and values his friendship with Batman so much is because he represents a road that he himself could have taken - basically, that the two are similar enough that, given different circumstances, Gordon could've been the crimefighter and Batman could've been the cop. I was reminded of that here. It really is a friendship of equals.
And I know it's already been said, but it's always nice to see a good example of Batman's good relationship with kids.

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[info]ccsharumun
2009-08-08 09:28 am UTC (link)
I'm all smiles and giggles now :D

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[info]trelas
2009-08-08 04:59 pm UTC (link)
And I'm glad to hear it.

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Request
(Anonymous)
2009-08-08 03:27 pm UTC (link)
I've never actually made a request before, but can someone please post the scene sometime during or after NML where batman is going to show Gordon who he is and Gordan demands that he not?

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Re: Request
[info]trelas
2009-08-08 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I can post it at some point. It's a great scene, after all.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-08-08 07:50 pm UTC (link)
These two are so awesome. But I love the way there's kind of a sadness connected to the way Batman can't ever really be honest with Gordon about who he is (well, he does in that one story offer but Gordon rightful refuses).

So it makes it extra nice when Gordon shows the that he does know some of the important things. And I like the way this story uses all the moments to build on the next. Like when he says "Like hell he wasn't" about Robin being his son it's not anything to do with knowing their actual relationship as legal parent/son, but that he saw in his eyes years ago with Dick that Robin is Batman's family.

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