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domino_blue (domino_blue) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-06 17:51:00

Current location:	Virginia
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Entry tags:	char: starman/jack knight, char: starman/ted knight, creator: james robinson, creator: tony harris

Starman:what's that on your shirt?
This is one of my favorite scenes from Starman, it's not a particular fan favorite like the grand finale or maybe the talks with David, but still this is one my favorite scenes in it because to me this really defines the relationship between both men,Ted and Jack Knight and shows how Jack will grow as a character through out the series.

This is the turning point in the relationship for Ted and Jack because for most of the beginning Jack could be a bit of a snot when it came to what and who his Dad was a superhero, the fact that Jack is now a superhero contrasts him to his father but it also points out how similar they are. Before this Jack killed the son of the mist in battle and the guilt from the event becomes a minor theme throughout. I also like this scene because in comics you typically see people wear shirts that have a hero or a villain on them, but in their own universes wouldn't that be like putting say Charles Manson on a shirt? I mean the Joker is real in the DC universe imagine what it must be like for the victims to see that face on a t-shirt.

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	volksjager 2009-08-06 09:59 pm UTC (link)
	So sad this book had such a suck end ... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-06 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	What, defeating Culp and an army of bad guys, and then choosing to retire from the job so he could be with his family? It was a good ending to me... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	scottyquick 2009-08-06 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SPOILER TAGS FOR :( (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thanekos 2009-08-06 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	well, hey, now you get to figure out who culp is. unless you knew already. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-08-06 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	It's a series that ended 11 years ago, I hardly think that qualifies as a spoiler anymore. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	domino_blue 2009-08-06 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	Now to be fair the trades are hard to come by... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neotoma 2009-08-07 01:20 am UTC (link)
	DC is putting out the omnibus editions fairly regularly. The third one just came out last month. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	domino_blue 2009-08-07 01:21 am UTC (link)
	Man I wish I had a job right now... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neotoma 2009-08-07 01:24 am UTC (link)
	Especially because the omnibuses include things like the short stories in Showcase (important for The Shade's history) and apparently the Shade mini. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	domino_blue 2009-08-07 01:27 am UTC (link)
	I....really need to get that mostly cause the trades I have are so old and don't collect some of smaller pieces to the story like issue 36 the will payton starman story. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	khamelea 2009-08-07 02:35 am UTC (link)
	I think people should always err on the side of caution, unless we're talking Shakespeare or historical events. Or historical events dramatized by Shakespeare. Julius Caesar dies! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-08-07 04:18 pm UTC (link)

If it was a major plot twist I'd agree, I'd never spoil "Citizen Kane" the way a Peanuts cartoon strip spoiled it for me, but it wasn't a major surprise or a twist, it was a piece of character development at the end of the series. Even keeping on the safe side, I'd say it's no more a spoiler after all this time than "Dream of the Endless dies in the last storyarc of Gaiman's Sandman"

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	khamelea 2009-08-07 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	I wouldn't say that's keeping on the safe side. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	skalja 2009-08-08 06:52 am UTC (link)
	I'd never spoil "Citizen Kane" the way a Peanuts cartoon strip Hey, me too! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-08-06 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	In this case, yes. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-08-06 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	Worryingly, a google shows you CAN get Charles Manson T-shirts, so it's not like there's no real world precedent. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	domino_blue 2009-08-06 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	True but what I also like about this scene is that well it's points out really messed that type of shit really is. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kamino_neko 2009-08-06 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer... The list is endless. And tasteless. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	crinosg 2009-08-07 12:55 am UTC (link)
	Was I the only one who thought about those shirts with Che Guerra on them you see from time to time? Maybe its like that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	richardak 2009-08-07 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	Nope. I thought the same thing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	chocochuy 2009-08-06 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	Is that an evil Raggedy Andy on Starman's shirt? Its image does remind me of Brother Power somehow (Reply to this) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-08-06 10:18 pm UTC (link)

It's the original Rag Doll, an old Golden Age Flash and JSA villain.

He was originally a triple-jointed thief, but in Robinson's Starman series, he was shown as having gotten older and dropped out of thievery, but had a talent for appealing to the disenfranchised and ended up forming a personality cult which threatened Opal City. He was faced down by Alan Scott, Ted Knight and Jay Garrick, and threatened to find their families and kill him. They attacked him and he was believed dead for many years. He IS now dead.

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	ashtoreth 2009-08-08 04:23 am UTC (link)
	I saw him alive in JSA at some point...laughed about getting his son blamed for his actions. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_stig213 2009-08-06 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	Gail - write to your editor today. Don't let Ragdoll EVER appear in JLA as long as Robinson's writing, or heaven help us. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-08-06 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	Why? The Ragdoll in this is the father of the Ragdoll in Secret Six. The kid's a wreck because Daddy Dearest was a monster. I trust Robinson to get that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thanekos 2009-08-06 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	alas, it's just an iron on... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	taggerung301 2009-08-06 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	oh wow (Reply to this) (Parent)

	This is good. nefrekeptah 2009-08-07 12:26 am UTC (link)
	Damn it, Roberson, what the hell happened to you? You used to be so cool. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: This is good. domino_blue 2009-08-07 12:30 am UTC (link)
	It's the times man, it's the time, but besides that he seems to be at his best when writing about Golden age, that and I think he's one of those writers who's better when their stories are longer then six issues. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: This is good.

batcookies
2009-08-07 12:43 am UTC (link)

I'd say Robinson's still quite good on the Superman stuff, honestly.

Cry for Justice strikes me mainly a bad concept (and I can't help but thing that his editor might be part of the problem. I mean, ffs, it's Eddie bloody Berganza. The man's a walking disaster, killer of Young Justice, incompetent over-interfering editor for Dwayne McDuffie's JLA). Hal Jordan stomping off and forming an angry "proactive" Justice League? Yeah, no.

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	Re: This is good. domino_blue 2009-08-07 12:45 am UTC (link)
	I just think the idea of Proactive superheroes as unwieldy at best. (Reply to this) (Parent)