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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-25 23:24:00

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char: deathstroke/slade wilson, char: ravager/rose wilson, creator: geoff johns, creator: sean mckeever, creator: yildiray cinar, publisher: dc comics, title: teen titans

A question about Teen Titans #72

In Teen Titans #12, Rose Wilson gouged out one of her eyes.

Now, in Teen Titans #72 we get a flashback to that scene.

I know Slade can be a real asshole, but does this strike anyone else as out-of-character (especially given how he looks horrified in #12 when he sees what Rose did)?

Also from #72: Aquagirl's magical swimsuit, which she can turn invisible at will.

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	foxhack 2009-06-25 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	Tacked-on retcon. Ugh. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	shanejayell 2009-06-25 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly. I'm sorry, I prefer my Slade with shades of grey, not a complete asshole. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-06-25 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	Ditto. (Reply to this) (Parent)

majingojira
2009-06-25 11:17 pm UTC (link)

It always makes me giggle when I see people complain that DC lacks has lost its moral ambiguity.

Let's face it. Moral Ambiguity and DC Comics are not exactly Oil and Water, but they're pretty darn close. DC flirts with it in a title or two through the years, but then we see it snap back to the standard DC set up ages ago: Black and White Morality.

I love it when it's happens, but know that it will never last.

I mean, c'mon, how many times has Raven turned evil so far?

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	bluefall 2009-06-26 10:28 am UTC (link)
	In fairness, the first scene is an example of a heinously erroneous Rose, so if given the option of one or the other I'll let Slade be the retcon fall guy every time. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-06-26 12:04 pm UTC (link)
	That's because she had the serum in her (that he gave her the serum in the first place isn't a retcon). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-06-26 12:13 pm UTC (link)
	IIRC she went with him quite willingly, though. I no longer find that particularly plausible now that I've read stuff with her prior to TTv3, so nothing that flows from it, like frex that she's even around for him to give serum to to make her all eye-stabby, seems plausible either. Fruit of a poisoned tree and all that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-06-26 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	Did you read the half-issue with her? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shanejayell 2009-06-25 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, Teen Titans, so MADE OF FAIL. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	zegim 2009-06-26 12:02 am UTC (link)
	To be fair, is the Ravager bakcup story, with creative team different from Teen Titans proper (as of now). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thokstar 2009-06-25 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	Given that Rose is suffering from hallucinations for a good portion of her backup, I could see those "flashbacks" as being fairly unreliable memories from Rose. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-06-26 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	I think more a modern day dream sequence sort of thing. Modern Rose suddenly realizing she's bleeding and Slade is there. Since she doesn't realize it's a dream it can't be the time she cut out her eye, because that already happened. So she asks what's going on and reacts to the situation as modern Rose would. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	majingojira 2009-06-25 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	For a while now, I've been contemplating posting viniet's from "My Own Take on a Comic Universe". Between the crap they've been through overall, I'm fluxtuating between posting about Wondy first or about the Titans. (Reply to this)

	whitecometrx7 2009-06-25 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	this may have been mentioned before but why did Rose stab her right eye if Slade's left eye is the one he's wearing the patch from? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	merseybeatler 2009-06-25 11:07 pm UTC (link)
	Other way 'round....:P (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-26 12:31 am UTC (link)
	"Knows what she wants" Eesh. And I found how she was acting odd as it was. And yes I can only assume she makes her bikini from water magically at this point. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-06-26 11:15 am UTC (link)
	My theory is that the carefully located water splashes are meant to tease the reader that she's nude, when they are in fact hiding the suit itself. Tricky, tricky, Mr. Penciller! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	toasty_fresh 2009-06-26 02:32 pm UTC (link)
	Which is hella skeevy, because she is a teenager . . . (Reply to this) (Parent)

runespoor7
2009-06-26 01:07 am UTC (link)

Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the serum provide some sort of healing abilities? Because if so, then Slade could (be fanwanked as) be concerned about stopping the damage and healing the wound first/stopping her from having a panic attack.

His expression in the second and third panels depict him as very unhappy about the situation. To me, he looks like he's just realized Rose can't continue this way, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were retconned further as the moment when Slade started looking for a good home for her.

That's my theory and I'm holding to it.

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	pyrotwilight 2009-06-26 01:09 am UTC (link)
	I assume the serum affects each person differently since it gave Rose super precognition and the like while it did nothing and no mention of healing powers with Cassandra Cain. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	runespoor7 2009-06-26 01:20 am UTC (link)
	...Then Slade may have been hoping it'd have some effect. That and the stopping-her-from-freaking-out aspect. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	statham1986 2009-06-26 03:34 am UTC (link)
	Wasn't it a different serum that he was using on Batgirl? I was under the impression that the stuff he was using on Rose was the last supply of what turned him into the man he is today, whilst the crap he was injecting Cass with was your common-or-garden mind control drug? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	henker 2009-06-26 12:21 pm UTC (link)
	The serum gave Cass anti-precognition, to the point where Tim Drake could beat her. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xdoop 2009-06-26 06:14 am UTC (link)
	If the serum provided healing abilities like that, he wouldn't have only one eye. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	superfan1 2009-06-26 02:35 am UTC (link)
	First time seeing the Teen Titans #12 version, wow creepy. (Reply to this)

	leikomgwtfbbq 2009-06-26 04:29 am UTC (link)
	Deathstroke's awesome orange legwarmers never cease to amuse me. He's stylishly villainous. (Reply to this)

	tahngarth 2009-06-26 04:56 am UTC (link)
	I like how they went and completely turned Deathstroke around, renouncing all the character development Marv Wolfman had him go through during his Teen/New Titans run and the Deathstroke title. I'm not sure whose idea it was, but Meltzer's Identity Crisis and Johns' Teen Titans is where I noticed it first. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-06-26 06:13 am UTC (link)
	I think it was Johns'; Teen Titans was in its 20s when Identity Crisis started, if I'm not mistaken. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tahngarth 2009-06-26 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	Which was a conclusion I didn't want to come to. I like a lot of Johns' writing, but... he really fumbled the ball with Teen Titans. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kenn_el 2009-06-26 06:53 am UTC (link)
	Teen Titans makes me want to gouge my own eyes out! And to think it used to be one of my faves. (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-06-26 09:04 am UTC (link)
	Who is this new Aquagirl ??? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	henker 2009-06-26 12:23 pm UTC (link)
	Lorena Marquez. She's been around since 2004, during the Sub Diego Aquaman arc. (Reply to this) (Parent)

(Anonymous)
2009-07-02 03:59 am UTC (link)

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<<I know Slade can be a real asshole, but does this strike anyone else as out-of-character (especially given how he looks horrified in #12 when he sees what Rose did)?>>

Nope, that's the way Geoff Johns intended it, as far back as TEEN TITANS #12 where Bart Allen and Cyborg surmise that Deathstroke had been pumping Rose with the Deathstroke serum, and it made her psychotic. Also confirmed in person by Geoff himself. "It's the serum," he said.

read her history:
http://titanstower.com/source/whoswho/rose.html

The new flashback merely relates "what happened next", as the serum started to wear off. When Rose was under that serum's influence, her life was a living nightmare. That's why she's as damaged as she is now. Sean McKeever has done an excellent job of continuing Rose's story where Geoff left off.

And yeah, I'm not a fan of the "new" totally evil Deathtroke. I liked the morally ambiguous Slade Marv Wolfman created. Not asshole that preys on young girls. But that's what we get now.

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	xdoop 2009-07-04 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	That Deathstroke gave her the serum in the first place isn't a retcon. That he continually had to give it to her like this, or that he would give it to her right after she gouged out her eye (especially since he was prepared on leaving her right before), is. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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