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icon_uk ([info]icon_uk) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-24 10:02:00

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Entry tags:char: alfred pennyworth, char: robin/damian wayne, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, creator: andy kubert, creator: frank quitely, creator: grant morrison, genre: previews, publisher: dc comics, title: batman and robin

Batman and Robin #2 preview up
Batman and Robin #2 preview up at IGN where we see Batman and Gordon interact for the first time, and unlike last time they met with Dick in the cowl, Gordon has an IQ greater than a fruit fly.

And from the DCUBLOG site;



This should not make me smile, and yet...



(This is the Andy Kubert variant cover)

Oh, and this is the first page of the issue itself



Hopefully Alfred will slap Dick upside the head for handling the Tim situation so badly, then make cookies for everyone....


Oh, and for those interested, here is a link to a page of original pencil Quitely art from issue #1, which seems to have an interesting little story attached to it. See if you can spot the difference before you read the description.

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[info]jeyl
2009-06-24 05:06 am UTC (link)
Yay!

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[info]merseybeatler
2009-06-24 08:05 am UTC (link)
Motto. :P

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[info]angelophile
2009-06-24 05:57 am UTC (link)
LOVE that first page. I know Quitely gets a lot of flack for his pages but his composition is flawless.

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[info]toasty_fresh
2009-06-24 11:46 am UTC (link)
Definitely. I'm actually starting to warm up to Quitely; at first I was totally down on him but now I may be revising my opinion . . .

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[info]joseph_k101
2009-06-24 06:42 am UTC (link)
Damn I love Quitely's art work!

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[info]zegim
2009-06-24 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Motto.

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[info]ladymirth
2009-06-24 07:35 am UTC (link)
Ha! Damien being smashed into a wall! I like this already.

Also, "Didn't they used to be taller?" - *giggle* Poor Dick probably can't clear six feet even in lifts.

When was the last time Gordon met Dick in a cowl?

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[info]jcbaggee
2009-06-24 10:52 am UTC (link)
I believe it would be during Prodigal. It was shortly after KnightsEnd, when Bruce left for further training after reclaiming the Mantle of the Bat, and left Dick in charge during his absence.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-24 11:12 am UTC (link)
And I'm pretty sure then too he said "You're shorter than the other guy."

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[info]chipsnopotatoes
2009-06-26 06:24 pm UTC (link)
was just going to say. damian needs to invest in a helmet...but on second thoughts...maybe not :)

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[info]crinosg
2009-06-24 07:39 am UTC (link)
Is that.....Greasy Lee.

Also, congrats to Damien for having the shortest tenure as a Robin ever. I mean hell, even Steph held on longer than him.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-24 08:55 am UTC (link)
Okay, that page with Alfred and Dick is pretty gorgeous, I have to admit.

But looking at the preview...arg. Perhaps it can be excused by the fact that he's with some unnamed uniform cops, but I am really getting sick of this whole "Commissioner Gordon may or may not know that it's a different Batman/who is under the cowl" business.

I mean, come on. There is absolutely no freaking way that Gordon wouldn't know that it's not the Batman he's used to, and I don't think it would take him all that long to figure out that it's Nightwing who has become Batman.

And, you know, if he ever needed confirmation that Batman was dead, it's not like he has a know-it-all daughter who he knows works with Batman and friends.

Arrg. The line about Damien makes sense, though, I will admit, since the Commish did run into him during RIP, I think.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-06-24 09:00 am UTC (link)
I'd say Gordon absolutely DOES know it's a different Batman, but it's important to him, his men, whoever it is in the Batsuit and at a deeper level, to the city itself, that he acts as if this were the same Batman he's always dealt with. And he probably sense's that it's the guy he used to know as Robin and Nightwing, but he's keeping that to himself.

Robin's are more variable, he's met multiples of them and knows they come and go, even if he did assume Tim was Jason in a new costume the first time they met.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-24 10:00 am UTC (link)
Well, here's hoping that's the intention.

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[info]requiem2adream
2009-06-24 09:20 am UTC (link)
There is absolutely no freaking way that Gordon wouldn't know that it's not the Batman he's used to, and I don't think it would take him all that long to figure out that it's Nightwing who has become Batman.

Of course he knows. And I like to think he knows who it is under the cowl as well. He knows Bruce was Batman, he knows Dick was Nightwing and now Batman... he just pretends not to know it - or doesn't try and get concrete proof at least - because otherwise he might have to arrest them. It's just plausible deniability.

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[info]shadwing
2009-06-24 09:33 am UTC (link)
To quote Lucius Fox from Batman Begins;

"If you don't tell me...I won't have to lie about it later."

Gordon's doing the same thing, he knows...but never had (or was willing to get) hard proof ergo he doesn't "Officially" know.

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[info]requiem2adream
2009-06-24 10:09 am UTC (link)
*nod* When Bruce tried to 'out' himself to Gordon in NML Gordon turned his back and told him to put the mask back on. Even going so far as to say 'if I wanted to know who you were I could have discovered it 10 years ago. And for all you know maybe I did.'

Which is as close to an admission as we're ever going to get that Gordon knows who he is, but won't officially let himself know it.

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[info]shadwing
2009-06-24 10:14 am UTC (link)
*nodnod* That scene in the comic was wonderful...and Rudka did a great adaptation in the No Mans Land Novel too. (which I later got signed by Greg...)

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[info]kirayoshi1
2009-06-24 11:45 am UTC (link)
I also remember a similar scene from the BTAS episode "Over the Edge". Most of the ep was a Scarecrow-induced nightmare as Batgirl imagined that her own death in the line of duty would result in Jim Gordon declaring all-out war on Batman. At the end of the ep, she decided to tell her dad the truth about her being Batgirl. Gordon stopped her, saying, "You're a grown woman and I don't have to know everything. And in this case I can't know. But I want you to know that I'm proud of you. All of you."

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[info]tacobob
2009-06-24 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that was a freaking awesome episode. I was watching that the other day, and you know they would have never made that episode if the show was still on Fox.

Love the fight between Batman & Bane in that one.

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[info]comicoz
2009-06-24 11:29 am UTC (link)
I'm sure someone will remember what book this was from, but there was a Batstory (official one) somewhere where Gordon had long since moved on and someone, either his kid or partner, was told by Gordon to find his secret files. In those files, which I like to think I remember was something bat-related, it showed that Gordon had known for a long long time that Batman was Bruce Wayne, but choose not to tell.

Dang, someone remember what that was from, because now I want to reread it.

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[info]richiedaley
2009-06-24 02:16 pm UTC (link)
Batman: Year 100 I believe

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-24 10:01 am UTC (link)
I realize that he has to pretend not to know the truth about their real identities, but it bugs me that we don't see *some* sign that he knows here.

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[info]retro_nouveau
2009-06-24 09:28 am UTC (link)
Agreed. A veteran detective who's worked closely with the Batman for at least 10 years is going to know in a heartbeat when Batman says word one. Not only is Dick not as tall as Bruce, but he's much more the gymnast than the power weightlifter. Gordon is going along with it for appearances in front of the department. He's going to wait and see how it goes, because Arkham is still full to overflowing and they need the assist.

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[info]darkknightjrk
2009-06-24 03:59 pm UTC (link)
He knows. If he didn't for the past few years, he definately knows after having to help Talia and Damian in WAYNE MANOR during RIP. But, like you said, he's with cops that he probably doesn't know that well. He can't let on that he knows who they are.

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[info]ex_stig213
2009-06-24 09:15 am UTC (link)
Erm, I don't think Dick is reacting to the Tim situation in that first page. The preview at the end of Issue #1 showed Damian storming off, ripping away his Robin badge, as just here; it's probable he'll be annoyed that he was almost beaten by a fat woman and try to storm off, then change his mind.

If that Dick/Alfred page is the first page, then it's likely Damian will be back by the end of the issue; Morrison has a little tradition of connecting the first and last pages of issues/stories, especially with questions, e.g. Superman Beyond. First Page: "What Shall We Write On Your Tombstone, Superman?" Last Page: Superman's Tombstone with the message "To Be Continued".

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[info]icon_uk
2009-06-24 09:47 am UTC (link)
Ah the complexity of flashbacks...

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-24 09:40 am UTC (link)
I'm with others in assuming that's Damian's Robin R and not Tim's. In Morrison's world Dick would consider it a tragedy if he failed in keeping Damian on his destined path or whatever.

I didn't realize that was the first page when I saw it.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-24 10:04 am UTC (link)
Also I doubt we'll be seeing Tim in Batman and Robin, tbh.

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[info]oddpuppets
2009-06-24 10:26 am UTC (link)
So, so stoked. It looks bloody fan-ta-stic.

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[info]suzene
2009-06-24 10:38 am UTC (link)
Hit him again! Hit him harder!

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[info]ccsharumun
2009-06-24 10:54 am UTC (link)
With the knee-patches on his pants, it looks more like Damien is cosplaying as Robin at some convention rather than being the real thing. I'm surprised the villains even take him seriously. Or maybe they just really hate him too [sad] :(

Second page should be a poster.

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[info]jcbaggee
2009-06-24 10:59 am UTC (link)
Huh. What a curious change to the original artwork from issue 1. I'm inclined to agree with the description, I very much prefer the original.

For those who want to compare, I've uploaded the page in question from Batman & Robin #1.

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[info]ex_stig213
2009-06-24 11:26 am UTC (link)
It makes sense, though - no-one wants it to be known that Bruce is dead in case someone intelligent like Kathy Kane puts two and two together.

Also, Dini is bringing back Bruce, in a way...with (Urgh) Hush as fake-Bruce masquerading in his place. Your icon is very expressive of my feelings with this issue; why anyone would want to bring back that character, when there hasn't been a single well-written story with him in it, is beyond me.

(No, not even "Heart of Hush". Dull, uninspiring stuff, most especially in the bit where I could almost hear Scotty Evil screaming "Just Shoot Him!".)

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[info]comicoz
2009-06-24 11:36 am UTC (link)
Heart of Hush was bad, but the last few pages were absolute perfection and true to character for both Selina and Bruce. It also made an absolutely perfect place to put the pen down and say "Story closed, game over. Let's do something else now."

Which, of course, they didn't do.

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[info]chipsnopotatoes
2009-06-26 06:35 pm UTC (link)
yes, the bruce/selina moment was the saving grace.

i hated the heart extraction because it was really gimmicky and just weakens the catwoman character in the long run.

the hush looks like bruce angle wasn't that credibly done IMO (he performs surgery on himself? and it's perfect enough to fool others? what did he do with the voice? etc.).

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-06-24 12:45 pm UTC (link)
"We'll take the stairs."

::leap down the stairwell::

Ha ha awesome!

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[info]freddylloyd
2009-06-24 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Again with the boot soles.

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[info]lyraeinne
2009-06-24 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Aw, Dick looks so sad. :(

But the art in the previews is pretty stunning. I particularly love the way clothes look on people's bodies. Very drape-ey.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-06-25 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Nobody draws fabric on people better than Quitely.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-06-27 05:37 am UTC (link)
He's certainly very good, but I'd also suggest Art Adams, Don Newton and Trevor Von Eeden as being prime exponents of fabric that looks and flows like fabric.

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-24 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. I think I may hate this run. Will try to find things to like. Maybe. The pictures are nice, but...

I'm worried re: forced Damian-centrism of the Batverse.

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[info]kagome654
2009-06-24 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, his name IS in the title, you kind of have to expect him to play a fairly major role in the story.

But I'd imagine Gotham Sirens, Detective Comics, Red Robin and possibly Streets of Gotham and Batman are likely to either be Damian free or use him in moderation.

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[info]queenrikki
2009-06-24 10:39 pm UTC (link)
That's a lovely cover. I will say one thing with regards to Hellspaw-I mean Damian. He is remarkably well characterized. No matter who writes him I always end the issues think "you little shit".

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-06-25 03:49 am UTC (link)
'Mr. Toad', eh? Is he a 'Wind in the Willows' themed villain, similar to how the Mad Hatter is with 'Alice in Wonderland'? Because that would be pretty interesting stuff.

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[info]lurkslikefox
2009-06-25 06:43 am UTC (link)
Damian being smashed into a wall... it's like they've finally decided to write what the fans want.

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[info]pepperspray101
2009-06-25 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Why does this whole business make me want to roll my eyes? *sighs* And I tried to get into this series , but I just couldn't stomach the art after a few pages. *sighs* oh well, at least I'm saving money this year.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-06-25 01:40 pm UTC (link)
There seems to be a fairly obvious problem with putting a bat on Wayne's gravestone, doesn't there?

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[info]faile_neume
2009-06-28 04:56 am UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHA Damian getting smashed into a wall. Christmas has come early. I would pay so much money for an entire issue of Damian getting smashed into things.

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