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scottyquick ([info]scottyquick) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-23 20:23:00

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Entry tags:char: black canary/dinah lance, char: green arrow/oliver queen, creator: ed hannigan, creator: julia lacquement, creator: mike grell, creator: sharon wright, publisher: dc comics, series: the canary is a bird of prey

Because nobody asked for it! Dinah in the Grell Years!
So! Dinah. Anyone remember her? Short black hair, goes by "Black Canary", sometimes has fishnets? Pretty cool lady, if I do say so myself. Shame she's been in limbo for such a while.


Post-Crisis, Dinah was a standard Justice League member for a short while. After about 10 issues, Mike Grell decided to snag her for his revamp of Green Arrow, which was very, VERY street-level. No trick arrows, no mask, and absolutely no superpowers. When Hal Jordan showed up, he was without his ring. When Arsenal showed up, nothing Titans-related was mentioned. So Dinah went from hunting galaxy-eaters and other Justice League threats to fighting murderers and thieves. They set up home in Seattle, because there's a man there killing people and not getting caught.

The scans with the absolutely INCREDIBLE art :

a) Aren't mine, because I'm not bending my copy of The Longbow Hunters if I don't have to
b) Are from a Prestige Format Miniseries, so don't worry, I'm not going over the limit.


Dinah!Butt, for all of you watching carefully.




Oh my God. That second last panel. Grell and Lacquement are hitting home runs through all of the mini, artwise.



D'awww, Dinah sideboob explaining sensibility and logic to Ollie!

However, it doesn't all go well. While tracking down the murderer, Dinah leaves Ollie for a couple of days, but she gets caught (and apparently couldn't use her Cry to save herself), and is extensively tortured.














That mysterious lady is awesome, and her name is Shado. She's one of my favorite things from the Grell run.



(don't worry, she lives)

One thing I like about the Grell run is that this isn't a one-time thing. He really shows Dinah living with the trauma one would have from this, and over-coming it.





This is something I like about Dinah. Whereas Ollie is too much of an arrogant ass to admit when he needs help, Dinah isn't. So they go off and visit a therapist, who (or would that be whom?) Dinah hopes can help her.





Argh no! Not a fan of that coy talk at the end there, nor Dinah feeling guilty.

Anyway, it turns out their therapist has some issues herself. She was kidnapped and tortured when she was young, and her assailant has been released.



I think that's Grell speaking with frustration there. Anyway, after this, Ollie gets her kidnapper sent to jail after she tries to kill him and he tries to kill her, she starts to reach out to them, aaaaaaand we never see her again.

Now, here's Dinah being awesome.







Heh. Badass Dinah is badass.






This lad here is an employee of Dinah's at Sherwood.







(Ollie the big man rescues him, of course. After dressing up as a gay leatherman, coming out of a gay club)

So now Dinah decides to go investigate the people who've been stalking her for a while! These next few scans are by Sharon Wright, who I think wrote Dinah's section in Action Comics Weekly.













The writing's not terribly clear here, and the art certainly doesn't help, but she lost track of them and got her car stolen. Nice going.

Also, because I really like it, have some Dinah/Ollie attacking some people at a bar.



And let's end with some adorable Ollie/Dinah having a rare moment of pure fun and joy together.





(you'll note I cut the page in two. That's because Grell had the stereotypical hooker-as-victim on the other half)

What do y'all think?

I could probably make another post with Dinah if you guys are interested, showing her going back into action as the Black Canary and breaking up with Ollie and killing other people and dating other people and the origin of the title 'Birds of Prey'.


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[info]volksjager
2009-06-23 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Nah, that must have been her mother she looks WAY old.
(cough) tacky...

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[info]amazingman
2009-06-23 09:39 pm UTC (link)
There are not enough words to describe how badly I want Grell's Green Arrow run completely collected. Seriously, it's what convinced me that Dinah and Ollie were amazing characters. It also convinced me that comics could deal with serious subject matter in a compelling way, while still living in a universe where a man puts his underwear on the outside of his cloths and everyone thinks it's just fine.

They're going Starman Omnibuses, do you think we could get them to start doing Grell's Green Arrow Omnibuses?

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-23 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Eh, I wouldn't bother. I got the entire run + TWY + the annuals + TLBH + Black Canary's ongoing and mini for 30$, which is probably what the price of one omnibus would be.

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(no subject) - [info]uadlika, 2009-06-23 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-06-23 09:46 pm UTC

[info]goblinthebamf
2009-06-24 01:49 pm UTC (link)
waitwaitwaitwaitwait.
wait.
DC went back to pairing off Ollie and Dinah but did not rerelease the Grell run with the wedding issue?
*forehead smack*

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[info]uadlika
2009-06-23 09:43 pm UTC (link)
YAY!

Dinah from Grell run! I had grand Plans to post something like these but then I ran out of time and am now in teacher boot camp where I shouldn't even be on the internet, much less on scans_daily thanking you profusely for some Dinah love.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-23 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Teacher boot camp? What's that?

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(no subject) - [info]uadlika, 2009-06-23 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-06-23 09:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]btravage.livejournal.com, 2009-07-20 09:20 pm UTC

[info]chengar
2009-06-23 09:46 pm UTC (link)
These scans are a nice reminder that Dinah and Ollie weren't always the mind-numbing horror that is GA/BC, but used to be substantially awesome.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-23 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Yargh. I like how natural their get-together, relationship and breakup were.

But then they had to bring them back for no frigging reason >_>

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(no subject) - [info]chengar, 2009-06-23 10:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amazingman, 2009-06-24 02:56 am UTC

[info]ladymirth
2009-06-23 10:35 pm UTC (link)
AAARRRT! *drools*

You know, stuff like this always leaves me undecided. Gratuitous female victimization or the triumph of a woman's will over trauma and tragedy? It's the Catwoman dilemma.

Also, Ollie saying that Roy isn't really his kid makes me see red. Way to be an arsehole, Ollie. Bats might be an emotionally stunted dick, but he never put his adopted kids down like that. This is why I'll never like Green Arrow. He doesn't deserve Dinah, Roy, Lian and Connor.

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Wherein I open my big fat mouth...
[info]jarodrussell
2009-06-23 11:26 pm UTC (link)
Gratuitous female victimization or the triumph of a woman's will over trauma and tragedy?

As a fan of the whole "damsel in distress" thing, I like to think it's possible to have a very sexy cake and eat it too. The trick is to treat the heroine the same way you treat the hero. Personally, I dislike seeing Dinah beaten to a bloody pulp (strung up, yes; beaten, no), but if you're going to put her in that kind of scene, don't take her out of the game for any longer than you'd take Batman or Green Arrow out of the game. To me...and my male-priviledged-self...the victimization isn't getting caught or beaten up, it's how the hero deals with it afterward.

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Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]islwyn, 2009-06-24 03:52 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 09:30 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]ladymirth, 2009-06-24 07:16 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]requiem2adream, 2009-06-24 09:03 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 09:17 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]ladymirth, 2009-06-24 10:51 am UTC
Re: Wherein I open my big fat mouth... - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 11:01 am UTC

[info]unknownscribler
2009-06-24 01:14 am UTC (link)
It's almost inevitable that genetic offspring will trump any other in most cases as simple expression of the biological desire to pass yours genes into the next generation, especially when such offspring are created with someone you care about/want to mingle your genetic inheritence with. It's why so many people will take the IVF option when it's available to them instead of simply adopting.

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(no subject) - [info]ladymirth, 2009-06-24 01:20 am UTC

[info]mari_redstar
2009-06-24 11:13 am UTC (link)
Ollie might be reluctant to claim Roy as his kid because he doesn't think he deserves to call himself Roy's father- it does seem to have gotten through to him that scooping up orphaned pre-teens because Batman's got one and then forgetting they exist while you head off on a road trip with your boyfriend was maybe not the pinnacle of responsible parenthood.

Or he could just be an asshole. Hard to say.

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[info]darkknightjrk
2009-06-24 12:37 am UTC (link)
"(Ollie the big man rescues him, of course. After dressing up as a gay leatherman, coming out of a gay club)"

...Okay, this needs to be posted.

Also, great stuff--I definately want to pick up Grell's run.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-24 10:35 am UTC (link)
It really does. I think I will.

Eventually.

If you're all good.

It's pretty good. The art slowly deteriorates, we start off with Excellent Ed Hannigan, and then there's switcharoo for a bit and it gets bad, and then it gets worse. The stories vary wildly, but for the most part I'd say Mike Grell had the best run on Green Arrow ever, and it's definitely worth hauling out of the quarter bins, if for the covers and
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It really does. I think I will.

Eventually.

If you're all good.

It's pretty good. The art slowly deteriorates, we start off with Excellent Ed Hannigan, and then there's switcharoo for a bit and it gets bad, and then it gets worse. The stories vary wildly, but for the most part I'd say Mike Grell had the best run on Green Arrow ever, and it's definitely worth hauling out of the quarter bins, <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50884-4003-66693-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">if</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50891-4003-66700-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">for</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50922-4003-66731-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">the</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50926-4003-66735-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">covers</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50948-4003-66757-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">and</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50947-4003-66756-1-green-arrow_super.jpg>Shado</a> <a href="http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/50940-4003-66749-1-green-arrow_super.jpg">alone</a>.

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[info]islwyn
2009-06-24 03:59 am UTC (link)
It's hopefully Not Only Just Me, but I'm a little baffled that no one seems to have issues with Dinah Needs to Be Rescued by Her Big Strong Man, Later Also Feels Guilty About Being (Sexually) Harassed, Part #56465.

So, was there any particular reason why she couldn't have used the Cry? Or, you know, beat the crap out of her assailants -- which we see she's fully capable of later?

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[info]chengar
2009-06-24 05:34 am UTC (link)
I don't horribly mind Dinah needing to be rescued by Ollie so long as the characters are generally shown as being more or less equal in skill and ability and some reasonable balance in storytelling is maintained. It's fine for Dinah to be rescued by her Big Strong Man if Ollie needs to be rescued by her about as often. As for the guilt issues, it's not pleasant but it's also (from what I understand) not a completely unrealistic reaction to that kind of situation.

Now, I definately don't like Dinah being captured by people that, as you pointed out, she should be able to beat quite easily considering her skills and powerset.

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(no subject) - [info]islwyn, 2009-06-24 10:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]looking2dastars, 2009-07-06 04:19 am UTC

[info]bluefall
2009-06-24 09:32 am UTC (link)
She didn't use the Cry because Grell doesn't believe that superpowers have a place in serious comics.

I am not even joking.

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(no subject) - [info]islwyn, 2009-06-24 10:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-06-24 11:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]looking2dastars, 2009-07-06 04:29 am UTC

[info]jarodrussell
2009-06-24 09:34 am UTC (link)
So, was there any particular reason why she couldn't have used the Cry?

I believe I've heard that part of Grell's shtick was "realism," which does not include such things as Canary Cries.

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(no subject) - [info]islwyn, 2009-06-24 11:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]islwyn, 2009-06-24 01:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]looking2dastars, 2009-07-06 04:31 am UTC

[info]retro_nouveau
2009-06-24 08:34 am UTC (link)
Ollie's going on 43??? Wow, is he ancient.

I never really attached to Ollie or Dinah, always went for the big guns. But I have to admit as a lifelong shipper, I believe no other pair has had a more interesting love life. I think the word I'd use is "torrid".

Loved Grell art for as long as I can remember.

Sherwood Florist should always be the cover/day job for Ollie.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-24 10:36 am UTC (link)
This is at the beginning, Ollie aged in real time throughout Grell's run, then 20 issues after he left Dixon killed him.

It really is gorgeous, isn't it? Especially with Julia Lacquement's coloring.

No way! He once bought a bow when they needed the money to pay for Sherwood's rent >->.

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(no subject) - [info]retro_nouveau, 2009-06-24 11:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-06-24 11:34 am UTC

[info]starwolf_oakley
2009-06-24 11:16 am UTC (link)
I can understand why so many fans and creators say that while they liked Mike Grell's run, writing-wise, he turned Green Arrow into the Punisher with a bow and arrow. A Justice League issue shortly before the Death of Superman had Atom comment "Green Arrow nowadays would put arrows in their brains and *then* ask questions."

I'm starting to see that even though Dinah wasn't raped, the guy who tortured her got so much of a thrill out of it, it was like sex for him.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-06-24 11:28 am UTC (link)
Hardly. After years of frustration, Ollie killed people who were torturing his longtime girlfriend.

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(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-06-24 02:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-06-24 02:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 11:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-06-24 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jarodrussell, 2009-06-24 02:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-06-24 02:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kingrockwell, 2009-06-24 02:40 pm UTC

[info]kagome654
2009-06-24 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Glee! What a great post (even with the questionable use of Dinah)! Ollie and Dinah as Ginger and Fred will always be adorable.

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[info]proteus_lives
2009-06-24 08:27 pm UTC (link)
The art in the first portion is indeed wonderful.

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[info]faile_neume
2009-06-28 05:36 am UTC (link)
This was awesome. The whole Dinah-getting-abused-and-needing-rescuing bit was somewhat grating but aside from that.

MOAR DINAH PLZ

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