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bluefall (bluefall) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-29 14:34:00

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char: athena/dc, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: bernard chang, creator: gail simone, publisher: dc comics, title: wonder woman

More Wondy #31
Interesting revelations here, this week. Not least of which is what's up with that damn eagle already.

Diana is sitting at Etta's bedside, allowing herself a few minutes of sorrow for her friend, when Tamika (the nurse whose shoulder she was crying on earlier) comes in the door and tells her in an unearthly voice that she's given up, and she shouldn't; "that was our mistake."

Wait. What?

Diana knows Athena was dead?

Diana knows Athena was dead and has not even reacted?

The hell?

If Dick Grayson was not in FC or RIP or the first three-quarters of BftC and then finally showed up at the same time as Bruce and was like "wait I thought you were dead," that would be like this.

That said.

Fuck yes Athena. I maintain that eagle instead of owl is cheap misdirection, but this is cool enough that I don't even care. (Though I do wonder what it's like for Tamika.)

.... I admit. I did not see that coming.

This makes Diana flipping her shit about the loss of the lasso make less sense, though, if "only Diana can use it" is still in effect.

Also, not sure how keen I am on Ares being behind it all. This is a pretty elaborate scheme, for one, and Ares has never been a particularly elaborate guy. He just says "I want a nuclear war" and lets his sons hash out the details, or "I want Diana to suffer" and leaves it to Donna Milton to come up with an actual how. Or, more recently, "I bet if I show up on Themyscira it will freak everybody out" without any real thought or concern as to where that will lead. Actually coming up with the specifics of Genocide's creation and the double-blind of the gargareans of his own volition seems rather smarter and more sophisticated than post-Crisis Ares (or mythological Ares, for that matter) has ever been.

For two, apparently Minerva was just somebody else's pawn, again, which is hella disappointing after how stoked I was to see her being set up as a dangerous mastermind in her own right once more, and this kind of suggests (especially given the timing) that we're done with her part of the storyline. Really, really hope I'm wrong there.

Though on the positive side, Ares using Diana's reanimated corpse to create his ultimate worshipper/lover is all kinds of brilliantly wrong and perverse. Because, y'know, it's exactly the kind of *compliment* that an Ares gone loony would give his respected but deeply vexing foe.

Also, there's this thing with a missile which is fucking awesome, but I'll leave that for someone else to post.

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colonel_green
2009-04-29 01:59 pm UTC (link)

Hmph, I had just scanned these pages.

Of all the speculations about who Genocide was, I didn't see that one coming; not sure about the mechanics of that; time-travel always strikes me as a very sci-fi plot device.

I disagree on Ares; certainly, the Perez Ares wasn't nearly this subtle, but Rucka's more trickster-y version seems like the sort who would come up with something like this.

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bluefall
2009-04-29 02:59 pm UTC (link)

Hmph, I had just scanned these pages.

Sorry. :/ I hate when that happens.

Rucka's more trickster-y version seems like the sort who would come up with something like this.

Not really. That was actually a complaint I heard a lot about Rucka's take on Ares - that he was too clever, too much a trickster - and I just don't see it. He may have switched his portfolio, but he was still very much dumb, no-forethought Ares. He says himself that when he went to Io's forge, his sole purpose was "stirring the pot" - he had no real ambition there, no idea of what would result, he just knew that something would. There wasn't a plan, just an impulse. Getting Eros to shoot Zeus was the same - he himself is every bit as shocked by the outcome (though he's a pleased, impressed shocked) as the other Olympians. All he knew or considered going in was "Hera is jealous, so I'll provoke that jealousy, that's always entertaining." Kicking Themyscira out of the sky was not something he expected. Even his gambit against Hades was explicitly Athena's plan, him playing a part she offered because he liked the reward.

There's no sense of consequences, no planning, no scheming there - just a knowledge of what will cause conflict and a desire to watch that conflict unfold.

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	colonel_green 2009-04-29 03:04 pm UTC (link)
	True to an extent, but I think this a good route to go with the character. (Reply to this) (Parent)

gargoylekitty
2009-04-29 02:15 pm UTC (link)

~~About time. I was waiting for someone else to post.~~

Yeah, the whole 'its your corpse' thing was fucked up and awesome at the same time. I mean I started to figure it might be someone she knows though I didn't even consider this. And while it does seem a bit elaborate for Ares, could it be that he finally learned that he'd have to put a bit more work in? Probably not. Maybe he had some help that hasn't been shown or won't be shown. Or maybe the whole 'mess with Diana' thing just pushed him to think more outside the box.

The missile thing was awesome, though it rubbed me the wrong way that it was from a Russian base. Granted it's DCU!Russia.

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icon_uk
2009-04-29 02:21 pm UTC (link)

If Dick Grayson was not in FC or RIP or the first three-quarters of BftC and then finally showed up at the same time as Bruce and was like "wait I thought you were dead," that would be like this.

Not my favourite example, since Dick was hardly in RIP, and not much use when he was there (Posing dramatically with the Batcowl watching the helicopter crash and moaning about Bruce being dead with absolutely NO evidence whatsoever to support it). And as for FC, he and Tim were in two sodding panels of the entire sodding miniseries, and their entire contribution consisted of standing around listening to Alan Scott prattle on. After that... no clue as to what they were doing and not even a cameo when Batdad WAS killed)

Ahem, sorry, hot button.

And that's an interesting notion for Genocide's origin, but I confess I am always distrustful of time travel stories (Since it tends to lead to a whole mess of foreshadowing after the fact, and the "Teen Titans of the Future go EEEEVIL" is too recent a lingering annoying memory for me to be entirely comfortable with it as an idea. Still I have more faith in Gail than I do in Geoff Johns.

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bluefall
2009-04-29 02:50 pm UTC (link)

Yes, but we've still seen Dick reacting to the news. We saw what happened when he thought Bruce was dead, we saw how the knowledge came to him and how he's dealt with it. His behavior in NIGHTWING and TITANS, his decisions and emotions, have reflected that knowledge. Possibly not in a natural or in-character way, but he's still very clearly very part of Bruce's death, which is only appropriate. You'd never, ever kill Batman and have his son just not even blink except to be mildly surprised when he comes back. You'd never kill Batman and have his son find out and react offpanel. But if you like, we can use Barry and Wally instead. Imagine Wally's reaction to Barry's return is to see him and go "huh? They said you were dead. Eh, whatever, what were you saying about Grodd?"

The time travel puzzles me, but mostly because it's not immediately clear to me what happens in what timeframe. The Ares-of-now, who made a bargain with Wacky Alky on a Themysciran hillside, seems very much like the Ares we know, a cool, calm, smug bastard content to stay at a remove and satisfy himself with petty nastiness and simple conflict. The Ares who Athena describes as creating Genocide is not - he sounds like the Ares-gone-mad of the original Perez "Gods and Mortals" story, a cackling evil who desires pain and cruelty and obliteration. But Genocide was created in the present... so is Ares-of-the-future here too? Or did Ares-of-now go to the future to get Diana's body and bring it back here and this is all his plan, and the thing with Wacky Alkyone is part of it?

The timeline's really opaque, which is problematic in parsing the story.

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icon_uk
2009-04-29 03:07 pm UTC (link)

Yes, but we've still seen Dick reacting to the news.

Actually, I don't think we have, have we? We never saw Superman tell Dick, we just end RIP with Dick nonsensically assuming he's dead, and then Aftermath, which it isn't clear is after RIP or FC, and Battle for the Cowl which comes after Final Crisis where Dick seems to have finished his mourning.

It's been a major irritation about the whole thing. For instance, who actually told Dick Bruce was really dead, or delivered the body to him?

but he's still very clearly very part of Bruce's death, which is only appropriate.

It would be, but I'd argue we haven't. He's a side effect of Bruce's death, not a player in it (If that makes sense).

You'd never kill Batman and have his son find out and react offpanel.

Again, I'd say that's exactly what we DID get.

But if you like, we can use Barry and Wally instead. Imagine Wally's reaction to Barry's return is to see him and go "huh? They said you were dead. Eh, whatever, what were you saying about Grodd?"

These days, wouldn't surprise me for a moment, alas.

As for Genocide, SHE was created in the present, but I'd say the Diana-derived raw materials and the Ares who created her ARE from the future.

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	gargoylekitty 2009-04-29 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. Death is just so completely downplayed anymore it's ridiculous. It's like even the characters realize that it isn't quite a permanent thing so long as they're reasonably well known, so they just don't care. An unintentional breaking of the fourth wall. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	gargoylekitty 2009-04-29 03:39 pm UTC (link)
	Wonder Woman: Crisis of Infinite Ares. ...okay, my mind can apparently warp that pretty bad. Ew. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-04-29 09:22 pm UTC (link)
	there is the issue of whether a possessed person claiming to be a dead god is actually reliable. Sure she seemed to tell the real plan. But maybe getting Diana there so she could seemingly fail was what she wanted. Personally I think I'd like it better if Genocide was an AU Diana since the multiverse is back. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	queenanthai 2009-04-29 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	That's...wow. Holy shit. Gail Simone writes like really talented lovers give you orgasms. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	greenmask 2009-04-29 05:57 pm UTC (link)
	She writes with that? And those? 8O (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jupiterrhode 2009-04-29 02:45 pm UTC (link)
	She does mention she learned the trick from her father, and Zeus' animal is the eagle. It makes sense to me. (Reply to this)

	pyrotwilight 2009-04-29 03:09 pm UTC (link)
	So...wait...how did Diana's apparent future corpse go back in time? And isn't Gail writing herself into a corner if Wondie is killed in the future? I don't think she'd stoop to say oh it'll actually just be a possible future that'll never happen or something. (Reply to this) (Thread)

gargoylekitty
2009-04-29 03:22 pm UTC (link)

Idk, I'd think there's a lot of room there. For one, everyone dies eventually and she never really specified how far in the future that would be. Another thing could be her dying and leaving a corpse though being reanimated with a new body. Then there's how all these 'this is how the future will be' things never really seem to pan out or sync up in the DCU'. Add in a dash of 'he might just be lying'(albeit I doubt it) and voilà.

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	gargoylekitty 2009-04-29 03:31 pm UTC (link)
	Errr... okay, rethinking the lying is even less likely. I keep ignoring that it's Athena speaking. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aegof.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 03:23 pm UTC (link)
	The future's pretty big, so no. "This character will die one day" is not a twist. It is assumed. The twist is when they don't die. 'sides, it's not like a character needs to die in comics to leave a corpse. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jupiterrhode 2009-04-29 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	It actually kind of is a twist, considering Diana's immortal and all. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-04-29 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	She's died once and left a body, if I recall correctly... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-04-29 04:12 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, no. She actually busts out of her own bodybag when Hera resurrects her. Probably at least one of her umpteen deaths with the League involved leaving a corpse behind, though. Guess I'll have to go re-read Obsidian League again for research. What a trial. >.> (Reply to this) (Parent)

	janegray 2009-04-29 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Though on the positive side, Ares using Diana's reanimated corpse to create his ultimate worshipper/lover is all kinds of brilliantly wrong and perverse. But isn't Ares, like, Diana's grandfather? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-04-29 03:44 pm UTC (link)
	If we consider Hippolyta to be Diana's mother, and Athena is notionally Hippolyta's mother (Since she gave her life) then Ares is Diana's great-uncle, since Ares and Athena are half siblings (Are's mother is Hera, Athena's mother was Metis) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2009-04-29 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	The Greek gods do that kind of thing all the time. (Reply to this) (Parent)

bluefall
2009-04-29 04:15 pm UTC (link)

Only spiritually - the body Polly is in now is not the one Ares sired, and as far as we know doesn't even look similar or have more than the most hazy memories of an existence prior to her recreation by the Patrons - and anyway, as

cmdr_zoom says, he's an Olympian. His own mother is also his aunt, and his lover and the mother of his child is (variably) his sister, it's not like incest is a huge obstacle for him.

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	icon_uk 2009-04-29 04:18 pm UTC (link)
	the body Polly is in now is not the one Ares sired Say WHAT now? Sorry, clearly more out of the loop than I thought... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jupiterrhode 2009-04-29 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	It's a Byrne thing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

bluefall
2009-04-29 05:00 pm UTC (link)

The amazons were made from the reincarnated souls of dead women, remember. They weren't created from whole cloth by the Patrons - they were drawn from the Well of Souls and given new bodies. So as they exist now, they have no fathers, nor mothers either, really; they sprang from the water fully-formed at the behest of the five Patrons. But as they existed pre-reincarnation, they were as human as anybody else, with two genetic parents each in the normal fashion.

Byrne, at the end of his run, introduced the bit of canon that Hippolyta's father, back before her reincarnation when she still had one, was Ares. This was yet another of his lame, ill-fitting pre-Crisis callbacks (which pre-Crisis idea itself was a lame, ill-fitting graft of greek mythology), but it has been referenced more than once since, if only in passing.

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arrlaari.livejournal.com
2009-04-29 05:18 pm UTC (link)

When I read that, it occurred to me that he could very well have made that up on the spot to get Diana off the hook.

He'd have been all like, "Dad's gonna destroy my rival, I can't go around without a rival, I'll just wind up destroying the world! Gotta stop him." and then he remembers that most of the libellous Amazon myths named him as Hippolyta's father, and ran with that.

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bluefall
2009-04-30 09:56 am UTC (link)

Works for me. I imagine the Patrons probably know better (Athena especially), but since I've already got fanwank going on Athena's behavior through all that, it's perfectly workable that she either incorporated or, perhaps even more likely, anticipated or even instigated Ares' action as part of her own gambit to get Diana back in the place and position where she was most effective. (And even if you don't go that far, and assume Byrne is actually accurate in the whole "strip her of godhood = kill her", it still makes sense for the Patrons to hold their piece, in order to protect Diana.)

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	icon_uk 2009-04-29 05:21 pm UTC (link)
	Oh I knew about the Amazon's being reborn souls and all that, and Diana being the result of the only pregnant woman whose soul was harvested/stored/whatever the appropriate term is. Didn't Byrne also have the woman Perez obviously intended to be Hippolyta's original body in WW #1 turn out to be Magala, or whoever the Neanderthal witch Amazon was? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-04-29 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	Jimenez retconned that to "the old lady was craaaaaaazy" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-04-30 08:52 am UTC (link)

Only in the sense that she was accused of such by a habitual liar who loathes the amazons. That one's more an "adds some doubt" than any kind of genuine contradiction or change. And a very poorly-aimed one at that - I don't recall Magala herself ever actually saying anything of the kind.

And when we're done deciding who did the better retcon between Byrne and Jimenez, we can figure out who draws a better Dinah, Benes or Land! -.-

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sailorlibra
2009-04-29 04:16 pm UTC (link)

Diana knows Athena was dead and has not even reacted?

I personally associate Diana's reaction with her being in denial. It's not like Etta's injury, it's not like the death of her mother, it's losing her God. The former two are mortal, the latter is not. I could see Diana having a hard time comprehending Athena's death, to the point that she just rejects it and refuses to even think about it.

That said, it would have been nice to have seen Diana receiving the news. This seems a bit out of nowhere.

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	batcookies 2009-04-29 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	Million Dollar Question: Nevermind her off panel reaction to Athena's death... Who could have told her about Athena's death? She hasn't had any interaction with anyone that would know. (Reply to this) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-04-29 05:09 pm UTC (link)

My only possible theory is that... maybe Polly knows? If that O&O backup was canon, Polly has been to Man's World between Zeus' manifesting to her and the amazons all showing up, and at a time and in a place where she could plausibly run into Diana. So, if Zeus told her that they were fulfilling Athena's dying wish, Polly might have passed that along to Diana?

Which again, is manifestly not something that should have happened offpanel.

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	mullon 2009-04-29 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	If she is a corpse, then that means Genocide can get a Black Lantern ring, which is how Wonder Woman will be tied into that event. Everyone make a note, I'm calling it here now. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mykie1234 2009-04-29 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	NICE! noted. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yotsuba123 2009-04-30 06:41 am UTC (link)
	... Oh crap. Note to self, CORNER THE MARKET on Maalox. My household's gonna be wanting that when Darkest Night fires up. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	proteus_lives 2009-04-29 05:21 pm UTC (link)
	I think that Marvel Ares would pwn the hell out of DC Ares. I couldn't say which character is more accurate myth-wise but Marvel Ares seems more like a God of War. What I've seen of DC Ares is like he's a trickster. Reminds me of Loki actually. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-04-29 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	DC-Ares is a lot more powerful, though, more like a god than a supervillain; Marvel-Ares, like most Marvel gods, are more like really powerful superhumans than gods since that's really how they have to be to work as main characters in superhero stories. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xlineartx 2009-04-29 07:09 pm UTC (link)
	Athena was the goddess of tactics, strategy, and the smarter side of war. Without her there, that could fall into Ares' domain. (Reply to this)

retro_nouveau
2009-04-29 10:05 pm UTC (link)

Heh! I made this icon a few days ago to get a fresh "Hera give me strength" icon, knowing that it wasn't applicable... Boom! Apropos! Hee hee hee!

Ok, first - I'm really mad that my first LCS stop after work -- SOLD OUT! Dammit! I had to overshoot the gym, and go to LCS #2 (none of which are local, I should call them DCS - distant), then double back to the gym. I got one of three copies left at DCS #2. I'm not telling any more people how great Gail is.

More spoilers ahead...

1. Achilles is ~~way hot with long flowing hair~~ not a raging, chest-thumping, trash-talking savage. I loved the way he addressed the U.N., and he actually tried to talk to Diana, which I did not expect at all. Diana was ok with talking, but she knew Achilles didn't have the big picture, and she had places to go, missiles to punch. I want lots more Achilles in Diana's future.

2. Mysia is cool, but (a) he's ugly and (b) he's got a girl's name. Golden winged lions are awesome too. I want to see a big sky battle between gargareans on golden lions and amazons on white pegasi, and Diana on black Peggy in the middle engaging Achilles on his ugly, freeky elephant.

3. I don't like the nuke going off. I'm thinking there will be fallout, for one -- let's say it's clean, and it's in the upper atmosphere and move on. I also don't like when Clark takes out a nuke and stands at ground zero, and it's a bit worse to see Diana do it since she still needs the bracers to keep bullets and magic arrows from passing through her. I would have loved if she'd ripped off the warhead and threw it into high earth orbit for later retrieval at a moment of less inconvenience.

4. Diana sure is nosy, opening the envelope on the flowers at Etta's bedside... :D

5. Diana puts the smackdown on Achilles. You'd think I might be upset by this, but hell no, I was thrilled. What, do you think Diana was ~~molded~~ born yesterday? No, Achilles was ~~charcoal-grilled~~ born yesterday. You can't take on an intensely-trained, battle-hardened warrior of a culture of warriors on your first go. He did respectably, until our amazon CHOKED HIM OUT WITH RAZOR RIBBON!!! Bad-ass move, I am so impressed! I can see Clark and Bruce exchanging WTF glances when that gets back to them.

6. Obligatory? So when Diana kills Genocide, it will be suicide! Bwaha...

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magus_69
2009-04-30 02:09 am UTC (link)

My responce to the revelations here is... more mixed than it ought to be. Diana knowing of Athena's death when a) she really shouldn't have and b) we really should have gotten a reaction to that bit of news has already been covered.

So... Genocide is Diana's reanimated corpse? That was a surprise, in the "that came out of nowhere" way. The source of the corpse aside, the setup screamed "Devastation." The colour schemes are eerily similar, the hair is the same colour (albeit a different shade), the powersets are almost identical (once the tweaking has been factored in) and most importantly-- we know that Deva is linked to the Lasso much like Diana is.

Now, the Deva setup could have been masterful misdirection on Gail's part. Gail's said that we'll see Deva sometime this year, so it's hardly her fault if we went conclusion-jumping. That being said, I would not be at all surprised if there was more to this than we know right now. The reveal just came out of nowhere.

Or should that be "the reveals?" Ares is the grand villain of the piece? Really? He's hasn't twirled this much mustache since WML's run. Next question: why is he back to normal (or close to it) when the other gods were so painfully off?

Also, what "killed" Athena to begin with? Story logic indicates that Ares would have had to have had a hand in that, but we've seen no indication of foul play.

While I'm asking questions: when did Wacky Alky learn about the Bana? I can buy her hating them (she could think that they're not really Amazons, that they're the descendents of those who disloyally chose Antiope over Hippolyta, etc.) but who told her and when? I don't know if I can buy her having other visitors besides Hippolyta. The Circle murdered a fellow Amazon, tried to kill the princess, and raised arms against the queen, and in so doing broke all sorts of oaths. Alkyone made it clear that they were all outcasts to begin with, so they wouldn't have had many friends beyond each other. I don't see any Amazon wanting to have anything to do with them, especially the ringleader.

Oh well. The fight against Achilles was kickass, and the missile moment was amazing. Please scan, somebody.

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bluefall
2009-04-30 10:35 am UTC (link)

[Stuff about Deva and the Genocide reveal]

I think, for me, the biggest thing in the possibility that Genny was Devastation was that it wouldn't be a new enemy. That theory was a neat two-birds-with-one-stone - it retrofits a crappy, problematic old enemy (Deva as a meaningful foe for Diana is simply flawed at its most basic level) into something more usable and worthwhile, and it neatly sidesteps Wonder Woman Syndrome.

Because in most franchises, new bad guys, new allies, new ideas and characters are a good thing, difficult to come by and something you have to actively encourage in writers (everyone wants to do the definitive Joker story instead). But in the Wondy franchise, the opposite is true - there's no continuity, no carryover, no respect or work given to existing supporting cast or foes, and the hardest damn thing in the world to get a writer to do is not drown the title in All New Everything. Every time I see a new character introduced to the Wondy mythos, I flinch - just one more character for the next writer to ignore and replace with his own. Now that Genocide is back to that, she loses a lot of the points I had subconsciously given her when I suspected she was Deva.

when did Wacky Alky learn about the Bana?

I can see Polly telling them. Her little "do you repent" business is an annual tradition; supposing it fell during the first civil war, she might have shown up bloody or late and provoked Wacky Alky's curiosity. Fighting might have passed by their cells during the second civil war, as well. (Both possibilities would give her good reason to dislike the Bana.)

Or perhaps that Themysciran who betrayed everybody during the second civil war was imprisoned near one of them - she was dating a Bana, and the Bana are why she got locked up, I can see the question coming up - or perhaps the Circle were freed along with everybody else during the "all hands on deck" to fight Apokolips that got said Themysciran out of prison.

(This is why "there all along" retcons to Themysciran culture are somewhat problematic.)

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unknownscribler
2009-04-30 09:34 am UTC (link)

If this is Athena and she's telling the truth, this is the final nail in Genocide's coffin for me I'm afriad. I really really hate the whole "the bad guy from the future is you / the bad guy is you from the future" trope. I utterly loathe it, and have done since episode 14 of Trial of a Time Lord. This sort of thing becomes a Damoclean millstone around a character's neck and in this specific case as a DC plotline feels like little more than a thematic tie-in to Darkest Night.

Not to mention that it's yet another iteration of the "big bad transforms Diana into its tool" trope that we saw scant months ago in Final Crisis. You know, pretty much the most contemptable abuse of the character in her long history.

As you point out, it makes an utter fucking mockery of Diana's horrified reaction to the loss of the lasso. The one thing that really made the character stand out as something other than the usual "dark golem double" of Diana, and it's been fatally compromised. Even Doomsday has an existence that doesn't intrinsically rely on the death of his nemesis to create him. Diana averts the war and Genocide never comes to be, essentially invalidating every act and emotional response.

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	jlbarnett 2009-05-01 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	actually all Diana has to do is die at any point in the future for it to happen. In fact if Zeus' thing about giving the Amazons the ability to die extends to her then it could happen totally naturally. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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