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batcookies ([info]batcookies) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-19 02:35:00

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Entry tags:char: angle man/angelo bend, char: captain cold/leonard snart, char: catwoman/holly robinson, char: catwoman/selina kyle, char: hugo strange, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, char: zatanna zatara, creator: david lopez, creator: pete woods, creator: phil jimenez, creator: robert kanigher, creator: will pfeifer, in-joke: get thee to an editor, publisher: dc comics, series: world of wondy, title: catwoman

Wonder Woman Villains - The Aggravating Case of Angle Man, part 2
In this post we look at some appearances of Angle Man which contain very bad writing.



Sorry.


To review:

In 1954, Robert Kanigher created "The Angle Man" a criminal mastermind that mobsters used to try to come up with plans to vex Wonder Woman.

Now what sort of "angles" did Angle Man play?

Well there was the time he tried to get Steve Trevor hooked on pills that gave people superpowers (yes, having gotten his hands on pills that give people superpowers, Angle Man decided to give them to good guys)

There were the times he tricked Wonder Woman so he could tie her up, which was her pre-Crisis weakness.

There was the time he tried to exploit her inability to fly.

There was the time he tried to manipulate her by kidnapping Steve Trevor, her one true love.

There were the times he tried to discover her secret identity...

There was the time he almost got away with it, because Wonder Woman magically altered her body to become really fat and then really thin, in order to teach Steve Trevor a lesson for always talking about how great Wonder Woman looked while out on dates with Diana Prince...

Are you noticing a pattern here? His plans tended to be things that wouldn't work on post-Crisis Wonder Woman. They tended to be things that just plain couldn't have happened post-Crisis, no ifs ands or buts.

Near the end, he got a weapon that let him bend time and space...



And then came 1985 and "Crisis on Infinite Earths"






Pre-Crisis Angle Man was dead. Apparently it's a bad idea to use a device for dimensional travel while a Multiverse is being destroyed.


Wonder Woman was rebooted from scratch. She and all her supporting cast and villains were introduced "for the first time". None of the pre-Crisis stories were canon any more.

For 14 years nobody mentioned Angle Man.

Then, in Flash #155 (1999), something happened which didn't make sense.

Flash had a villain called Replicant, that was going around stealing/absorbing villains' superscience weapons. And he ran into... Angle Man?






Again: the above scene made no sense. But we forgive Waid, because it was so very pointless and easily ignored, yes?

3 years pass, and in 2002 we meet the Post-Crisis Angle Man, in the pages of Wonder Woman. You saw him in my last post. Here he is, risking his own life for Donna Troy.



He appeared in comics printed in 2002-2003.

Then, in 2005, "Angle Man" showed up in Catwoman of all places.

Writer Will "Amazons Attack" Pfeifer wasted no time letting Wonder Woman fans know exactly where they stood with him.







Yes, that was Cheetah, a character that trades punches with Wonder Woman.

Yes, that was Batman, beating her with one punch.

A bunch of criminals are trying to take over Gotham's East Side. They're quite notable in just how badly chosen they are.





I'm going off topic here, but this scene drives me nuts.


Captain Cold wouldn't be interested in "ruling" part of Gotham, and wouldn't take orders from anyone. His home is Central City/Keystone, leading the Rogues.

Hugo Strange is a crazy psychologist obsessed with killing Batman and thus BECOMING Batman. He'd have even less interest in this scheme than Captain Cold would.

Cheetah? A British archaeologist with a mad-on for mystic artifacts? What the hell is she doing there?

Losing easily, as it so happens.



Handcuffs. Someone with strength comparable to Wonder Woman's, and Pfeifer has her knocked out with one punch then handcuffed to a streetlight. bluefall had a lovely rant about this, and I look forward to seeing it again...

Catwoman agrees to join this little crew, undercover, intending to destroy them from within. But...














How did she survive?

Here's a hint: did anyone here read Hush? I think Will Pfeifer did.

That's right, it was a Clayface.




Selina takes out the gang. Angle Man ends up in jail. Cue Pfeifer mocking Angle Man through his characters (he does this a few other times)










Smart Bomb is an undercover cop, and the son of Selina's friend Slam Bradley (He also ends up the father of Selina's baby after a one-night stand, but that's a whole different reason I want to say things about Pfeifer that our "hate the writing, not the writer" rule prevents me from saying).



Slam gets kidnapped, although Smart Bomb thinks the one to get kidnapped was one of Selina's other friends.



He stops it.



Black Mask is taken down, and then Selina kills Black Mask. Good riddance to thrice-killed rubbish.

A year passes, Selina ends up pregnant, her friend Holly becomes Catwoman.

















Holly pounds the crap out of Angle Man, and its all recorded by some guy with a video camera, that sells the tape to a movie-obsessed creep called "Film Freak".





Film Freak teams up with Angle Man



They locate Selina because her new identity is a movie reference that frankly a LOT of people would have figured out.











The bad guys lose, of course.



Selina brings in Zatanna...







Okay, again? Angle Man never fought Wonder Woman post-Crisis, and his pre-Crisis stories wouldn't have worked with the post-Crisis Wonder Woman.



Yeah, no. Angle Man never fought Flash. Not even pre-Crisis.



That's right. This whole mess is because Will Pfeifer wanted to use a Wonder Woman villain, and decided a two-page nonsensical appearance in Flash matters more than a much more recent and important appearance in Wonder Woman.



So here's the thing... according to Pfeifer, this "Angle Man" never had his superpowered Angler after Replicant destroyed it.

Meaning, basically, that even if you ignore the gross differences in personality, style, goals, facial features, country of origin and everything else... the guy in Catwoman couldn't have been the guy in Wonder Woman. Because the guy in Catwoman claims he hasn't had powers for years, even though there was an "Angle Man" in Wonder Woman, recently, that could walk on walls. It's a contradiction to the point where you either have to pick one story or the other, or else there has to be two different guys using the name "Angle Man". Cool Angle Man has an alibi: he was using superpowers when the uncool Angle Man claims to have had no such powers.

(Sheer bloody minded incompetence.)


If you're curious, Zatanna erases their memories of Selina's secret identity, then sends them off to the police to confess to their crimes. Film Freak, being a Batman villain and not a lowly Wonder Woman villain, proves too strong/crazy for this and escapes, while Angle Man does what he's told.


...Oh, and in OYL Wonder Woman Heinberg gave us Angle Man back in his pre-Crisis costume, with superpowers. Sure, why not, not like it makes the mess any bigger.


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*Needs a rage icon*
[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-04-19 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Two things: First, didn't Film Freak get killed by Bane during the first arc of Batman: Knightfall? Second, I am trying really hard no to fly off into a rage about an author using the cheap, morally bankrupt, horrific device of threatening a helpless baby. That is one of my berzerker buttons and I am pissed off beyond all belief that this hack used it for a significant plot point.

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Re: *Needs a rage icon*
[info]batcookies
2009-04-19 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but Film Freak is a Batman-related character. They're so important that you bring them back, one way or another, and try to redeem them into good villains. Not like Wonder Woman characters, who are there to be torn down so you can build Batman villains up.

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Re: *Needs a rage icon*
[info]espanolbot
2009-04-19 04:16 pm UTC (link)
This is a different Film Freak, this one was a guy who had a late night show that he hosted that was about old films, which he had a fetish for.

After Zatanna erased Selina's identity from his memory, he promptly went on a killing spree of film-referencing murders. Squashing some policemen with the front of a building with him being unharmed in one of the open windows as a Buster Keaton homage, for example.

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Re: *Needs a rage icon*
[info]richiedaley
2009-04-19 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Then you probably don't want to read the first part of Pfeifer's run on Catwoman. He did a decent job on her, but it would not be an exaggeration to say that threatening a helpless baby was the point of (IIRC) the first year of Catwoman OYL

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Re: *Needs a rage icon*
[info]zhinxy
2009-04-20 01:33 am UTC (link)
Then you won't be happy to know that Pfeifer used practically.... NOTHING ELSE as a significant plot point as long as Selina had poor little Helena...

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[info]icon_uk
2009-04-19 01:54 pm UTC (link)
So many levels of fail here, though I particularly like the police giving a supervillain his superweapon BACK because, despite it having no apparent controls "They've deactivated it".... (Probably the same techs who installed Indigo, the 25th century android, with limiters that guaranteed her loyalty and ensured she couldn't kill again.. and we remember how THAT turned out)

The supervillain team is memoraly awful, and the the only positive spin I can put on this whole thing is the notion that, on first reading this, I thought he meant the Catwoman Angle Man was supposed to be the pre-Crisis Angle Man, whose last space-time re-angling sent him there without his weapon or at least burned it out. Thus there are two of him, the suave Wonder Girl one who WAS kind of cool, and has the angle weapon, and this one, who remembers fights that could now never have happened (but did in HIS past), and now has no powers.

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[info]blake_reitz
2009-04-19 04:31 pm UTC (link)
That would be a very elegant solution to this whole mess.

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(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-19 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]icon_uk, 2009-04-19 06:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-19 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]icon_uk, 2009-04-19 06:45 pm UTC

[info]psychop_rex
2009-04-20 03:28 am UTC (link)
That hypothesis works very well - certainly since this guy's Angler appears to have different powers than the Italian guy's has; he can defy the laws of physics, but he can't teleport - except for one little thing: his real name. Angelo Bend is a post-Crisis name - the Pre-Crisis version was never really given a name, other than 'Andrews', as in 'Angles' Andrews, who he was in his first appearance. So if this guy's name is Bend, he can't be Pre-Crisis.
There is, however, a simple and elegant solution to that - having 'ported in from Pre-Crisis, Angle Man realizes that he has no name or reputation here. He ALSO realizes that there is another guy, using his same M.O, who has achieved quite a reputation as Angle Man, and whose name, by the way, is Angelo Bend. 'Nothing to it', thinks our boy. 'I'll just start using his name, and people will think I'm him - and bingo, instant reputation'.
So he starts trading on Bend's name and reputation, which obviously doesn't work very well, and he rapidly gets a reputation of his own, that of being the slimeball loser that he is. The real Bend, meanwhile, is centered in Europe, and is too busy being suave and Italian to notice that his name is being purloined - and given the imitator's lowly status, almost no one else notices, either.
It would seem to work. This AM is clearly enough of a dirtbag to try such a thing, and he even admits to the cops that, no, Angelo Bend is not his real name. So I guess I was wrong - there is no problem. Your hypothesis works just fine.

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(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-20 05:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-20 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-21 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-04-20 02:50 pm UTC

[info]katzedecimal
2009-04-19 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Triangle Man, Triangle Man
Triangle Man hates Psycho Man
They have a fight, Triangle wins
Triangle Man


.....er sorry 'bout that.. that whole scene made me think "I have a triangle and I'm not afraid to use it!"

Amusingly, in DC Universe Last Will and Testament, some thug kid was threatening a shop owner with one of Angle Man's protractors triangles. He got insta-pwned by Captain Cold. Somehow, I can't imagine that a showdown between Cold and the real Angle Man would go down any different.

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[info]ex_menagerie993
2009-04-19 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Eww. Just ew. Damn it DC, Angle Man was cool at one point. >_

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[info]sailorlibra
2009-04-19 03:14 pm UTC (link)
More than the portrayal of Angle Man and Cheetah, his portrayal of Catwoman bothers me. Why are writers who can't write Catwoman consistently given the title? Devin Grayson was the only Catwoman writer that I've felt ever got her, though Dixon and Brubaker didn't too shabby of a job. But then... I got to Pfeifer and Moench* and was never the same again. I swear, DC hates me.

*All references to a writer are, of course, referring to their work, and not to the persons themselves.

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No more angles here.
[info]nefrekeptah
2009-04-19 03:31 pm UTC (link)
You know what really sucks about this? There's a seed of a good idea here - "loser two-bit villain who knows he's a loser tries desperately to become a more respectable villain" - it's just that Pfeifer chose the ENTIRELY WRONG person to do this with.

He would have been better off just making up a new villain altogether, instead of bastardizing an already existing one.

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Re: No more angles here.
[info]batcookies
2009-04-19 03:49 pm UTC (link)
I think it could have been done with an existing villain...

But writing something using a Wonder Woman villain that appeared recently in the pages of Wonder Woman's own comic, and writing him in a way that utterly contradicts what the Wonder Woman writer did with him?

One of Pfeifer's biggest problems is, IMHO, that there is a small number of "personality types" that he can write. When he wants to use a character with a personality he can't write, he just changes the character's personality.

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Re: No more angles here. - [info]zhinxy, 2009-04-20 01:35 am UTC
Re: No more angles here.
[info]icon_uk
2009-04-19 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Alan Grant wrote a fairly decent arc like that with a team, optimisitcally called "The Misfits", made up of Calendar Man, Catman, Killer Moth and a new guy called Chancer. The guys were losers, but trying to get a step up.

I always thought there was room for that with Killer Moth, who had gone from 1950's "Anti-Batman" character to "Guy in frankly hilariously awful outfit who just gets beated up a lot... by everyone".

Someone suggested in Underworld Unleashed he should have traded his soul for a "real" power, like actual flight, but ended up with a very slow flightspeed, just to emphasise the guy can't catch a break, even at being evil. Instead he got turned into the rather tedious Charaxes, even if his introduction did give me one of my favourite covers of all time!


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Re: No more angles here. - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 06:20 pm UTC

[info]midnightvoyager.livejournal.com
2009-04-19 03:47 pm UTC (link)
ng. I hate to prod, but could you please use the new LJ code for these? (The user info for the community has it.) It just took five minutes for my friend's list to load...

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[info]midnightvoyager.livejournal.com
2009-04-19 04:21 pm UTC (link)
OMGThankyou.

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[info]espanolbot
2009-04-19 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for this. :) I was wondering what happened in the gap between the Brubaker run and the OYL stories as I don't have the individual issues and not all of them are collected in trade form.

Could you post what happens at the end of the Wild Ride storyline? After they get to that place where Hawkgirl lives? The trade kind of left the whole cat-worshipping ninja people plot unresolved.

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[info]batcookies
2009-04-19 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Don't have them. Wouldn't want them.

If I ever get a chance to talk to Ed Brubaker, the first question out of my mouth (after I've sufficiently buttered him up) will be "why did you decide to write a series about Catwoman, the world's greatest thief, where she didn't do any thieving?"

I really can't stand the direction they took with her after her first series.

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(no subject) - [info]espanolbot, 2009-04-19 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 05:30 pm UTC

[info]bluefall
2009-04-19 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Heh. Thank you. I'd forgotten just how much Pfeifer used this guy, and to what obscene extremes. And you thought I was a masochist for doing a Cheetah series.

You know I hadn't known about that brief Flash cameo; it sheds a bit of light on this madness. I am not at all versed in that corner of the DCU - you know when that was written relative to his JLA run? It always seemed to me that by the time he left that title he'd gotten a pretty good handle on Diana and basically redeemed himself for KINGDOM COME and the UU nonsense, but random Angle Man nonsense might tip that balance.

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(no subject) - [info]interrobamf, 2009-04-19 05:48 pm UTC
Relevent Dates. I LOVE WIKI! - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 05:48 pm UTC
Re: Relevent Dates. I LOVE WIKI! - [info]icon_uk, 2009-04-19 06:16 pm UTC
Re: Relevent Dates. I LOVE WIKI! - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 06:27 pm UTC
Re: Relevent Dates. I LOVE WIKI! - [info]thandrak, 2009-04-19 06:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-19 06:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 09:40 pm UTC

[info]meatwhichdreams
2009-04-19 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Putting aside the wall-banging continuity-bluey for the time being....


OKAY, WE GET IT. YOUR NAME IS ANGLE MAN WE GET IT WE GET IT YOU FIND AN ANGLE ON THINGS THAT'S GREAT OKAY WE GET IT YOU CAN STOP MAKING PUNS NOW.

The same goes for YOU AS WELL, Catwoman, young missy.

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[info]jkcarrier
2009-04-19 08:00 pm UTC (link)
So, to sum up:

Jimenez ignored all previous appearances of Angle Man and came up with his own version. What a genius!
Pfiefer ignored all previous appearances of Angle Man and came up with his own version. What a hack!

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(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-04-19 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-19 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kagome654, 2009-04-19 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-19 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 08:49 pm UTC
T_T @ the non-Jimenez parts of the post.
[info]scottyquick
2009-04-19 08:31 pm UTC (link)
My God. Why can't the writing match up to the Lopez's and Woods' art?

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-19 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Totally off-topic, but what the hell is up with that panel where he's talking to Zee about the Angler? He's all "I could travel through time, could you do that?" And Zee gets all flustered and knocked off her train of thought, and stammers at him confusedly. What? Why? The hell is supposed to be going on there?

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(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-04-19 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]batcookies, 2009-04-19 09:13 pm UTC

[info]retro_nouveau
2009-04-19 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Ok, so tonight the part of Angle Man is being played by Arthur Brown.

But while we're talking about bad writing, hee hee... What does The Cheetah have in common with Guy Gardner? While you're noodling that one through, I'm going to run far away and hide from [info]bluefall...

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-04-20 03:32 am UTC (link)
I'm glad that Film Freak 2 survived this fiasco - I always thought the original was a cool idea for a villain, especially considering what deep cinematic roots Batman has. I also like how he gives a little irritated 'Mmm!' through his gag when AM references 'The Wolf Man'. What he WOULD be saying is 'That's my line, dammit! You're stealing my material!'

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