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Tweak says, "*sporks*"

schmevil (schmevil) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-10 19:55:00

Current music:	Emily Jane White - Dagger
Entry tags:	admin: mod post, admin: requests

Call for Volunteers: Tag Wranglers
sir_razorback has been helping us maintain the tags but there have been some, er... absolutely mangled posts. We're looking for one or two volunteers to help out with this most thankless of tasks: tag wrangling. We're looking for an ongoing commitment, but if at any time you're bored of wrangling, let us know ~~and we'll sell you back your soul~~.

What: fix mistagged posts, identify tags for deletion and renaming
When: while you browse the comm
Reward: our undying gratitude

* Obviously we still expect you (the comm at large) to tag your own posts, and to help out with untagged posts when the urge strikes.

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bluefall
2009-04-10 07:18 pm UTC (link)

Um. Do we have sufficient tagging convention at this point to begin seriously tag wrangling? There still seems to be a lot of dissension in the ranks about things like whether or not numerals are called for with any given title, who qualifies as a Batman, how many identities need to be identified, who's a Cass and who's a Cassandra, what categories should be called (is the JLA a group or team, and is it the JLA, the Justice League, or the Justice League of America? What about the JLI?), whether categories are needed for everything ("in-joke" and the like), and whether we can still be fun and freewheeling like we were back in the good old days of "ocelots don't work that way."

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schmevil
2009-04-10 07:30 pm UTC (link)

Of course you can have "ocelots don't work that way" tags. But we can't have sixteen different tags for one character. Which we actually DO have right now. Roman numerals are still a go, and we'll work out the hinky ones on a case by case basis. I'm not interested in writing a rule book for tagging Batmans, because at the end of the day, I can just rename the misfires, and we have to let some things go. I don't want to bury the comm in rules.

Step one will be cleaning up the mess that we've made in what, two months?

Step two will be making things a bit clearer. But in all honesty, I don't expect the tags to ever be perfectly organized.

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	schmevil 2009-04-10 07:34 pm UTC (link)
	And I should add that part of being a tag wrangler would be helping to make those decisions about the suitability and usefulness of tags and tag categories. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-04-10 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	Fair enough. I'll pitch in, then, if y'like, though fair warning, I'm about ten times more useful with DC than Marvel. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	Sweet. Can you email us at dailyscans[at]gmail[dot]com so we have a contact address? Once I have a list I'll send out an intro email. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mysteryfan 2009-04-10 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	LOL. Batman(s). Always the problem. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 07:31 pm UTC (link)
	Don't 'um' me missy! shakes cane at you Also, get off my lawn. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-04-10 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	See, this is why I don't normally tell people my actual age. You old bat. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	foxhack 2009-04-10 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	I guess I can help. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	Awesome! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cosmos666 2009-04-10 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	I'm a lurker here, but the tagging system is driving me nuts. I can help, primarilly at weekends. Cosmos (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	It's driving me crazy too. -_- Thanks for pitching in! Can you email us at dailyscans[at]gmail[dot]com so we have a contact address? Once I have a list I'll send out an intro email. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sd_mouser 2009-04-10 08:14 pm UTC (link)
	LJ has a limitation of 1000 tags - does IJ have a similar limitation? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bariman1987 2009-04-10 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	As far as I know, it doesn't. The LJ tag limit was imposed due to server slowdown or something like that, which isn't a problem with IJ. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:12 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, you're right. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	filbypott 2009-04-10 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Can we take this opportunity to get rid of the char: creator: title: etc: thing? It's kind of needlessly complicated and makes searching more difficult IMO. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	foxhack 2009-04-10 08:26 pm UTC (link)
	... But it makes finding stuff easier. What problems is this new system giving you? o_O (Reply to this) (Parent)

	parsimonia 2009-04-10 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	It can get annoying typing it in, but it does make it easier for searching for the actual Batman comic, without having to wade through every post that features Batman. (Reply to this) (Parent)

tanetris
2009-04-10 10:06 pm UTC (link)

I actually like the char:, creator:, title:, etc. What I don't like is the Civilian Name/Costume I/One-Shot Alias IV/Eventually Takes Up Whatever Mantle MCCCXXXVII

Not only is it needlessly long, but they'll eventually wind up outdating themselves, as once someone gets a new title, either we ignore it for purposes of tagging, the old posts sit unlinked from the new ones, or someone goes back and updates all the old tags (which is going to get daunting for the more prolific characters if it isn't already)

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	ashtoreth 2009-04-11 12:25 am UTC (link)
	Doesn't help when so and so decides to take up a new identity for a short while, yes..But people looking for all Hal Jordan posts should see the posts that include him as the Spectre, fer instance. Whereas people looking for Green Lantern/Hal Jordan really don't want to. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

tanetris
2009-04-11 08:18 am UTC (link)

Someone (wish I could remember who. Credit where credit is due and all that) had proposed the solution in a previous mod post to simply separate civilian names and costume names where it made sense to do so. So, to use your example, we'd have "char:Green Lantern" to search for GLs (be it Hal, Kyle, Guy, John, whoever as long as they have a green ring at the time) and "char:Hal Jordan" to search for Hal (whether he's GL, Spectre, or rainbow lantern at the time).

I wish I could say you could then search the GL tag and Hal tag together to find instances of Hal as a Green Lantern, but it seems searching multiple tags is additive, not subtractive. Way to go, LJ/IJ.

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	aaron_bourque 2009-04-10 08:37 pm UTC (link)
	I would, but I won't. Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; seriously, I don't "browse" this place. I treat it like a webcomic that I'm catching up on, and I rarely look back, unless I've actually made a comment about something. (Reply to this)

	I need a saluting icon. sailorlibra 2009-04-10 08:43 pm UTC (link)
	Eh, I might as well do my part for the SD. I am now a proud volunteer of the Scans Daily International Tag Wranglers, at your service, ma'am. I just email the above email address, right? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: I need a saluting icon. schmevil 2009-04-10 08:45 pm UTC (link)
	Yup. And thanks! :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	parsimonia 2009-04-10 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	Well, alrighty. I may as well put my finickiness to use. =) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	Eeexcellent. Looks like we'll have a good group. Email at us dailyscans[at]gmail[dot]com so we have a contact addy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-04-10 09:23 pm UTC (link)
	I read the other comments after I posted mine and sent an e-mail already...because I'm nosey and presumptuous. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-10 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	I've always loved that about you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-04-10 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	D'aww shucks. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-04-10 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	I can help out, if y'all want. My DCU encyclopedia and I are at your service! salute (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! Email us at dailyscans[at]gmail[dot]com. I'll get an intro email ready for Monday, so we can all start talking and tagging. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fusil 2009-04-10 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	Yup! I've emailed the above address. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-04-10 10:46 pm UTC (link)
	I can help! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! Email us at dailyscans[at]gmail[dot]com. I'll get an intro email ready for Monday, so we can all start talking and tagging. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-04-11 06:53 pm UTC (link)
	Email sent! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ceru 2009-04-11 09:00 am UTC (link)
	I am way, way, way, way too busy to help, but as an LIS student, I approve of the authority control. Tagging can be fun AND a force for organizational good! (Reply to this)

	sir_razorback 2009-04-11 10:40 am UTC (link)
	Like I already told Rabican, I can't help with tag-wrangling anymore. Lost my job recently and I need to focus my time on jobsearching. I spend too much time on S/D as it is. =p It's been about three weeks since the last time I was able to do a tag-sweep. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	Well, at least now we'll have a team of people dedicated to tag wrangling, to take the pressure off of any one individual. Good luck with the search! :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sir_razorback 2009-04-11 11:44 am UTC (link)
	Here's abit of prespective about just how fast these things are breeding. S/D 2.0 has been up since the end of February. We haven't even been back two full months yet. Members: 727 Tags: 1,047 I said before that they breed like tribbles, but I think even tribbles aren't this busy. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-04-11 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	I went into the tag maintenance page to get rid of a particularly annoying mistag that keeps cropping up, and freaked out over how many we've got. Hence the call for volunteers. There's no way I have time to do it all myself. XD (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hallahalla 2009-04-12 04:29 pm UTC (link)
	I'm a little late, but I'd like to help out! miome.geo@yahoo.com Scanning down the list, a few jump out at me: # girls i want to fist - 1 use # girls i'd like to fist - 1 use # medium: webcomic - 27 uses # medium: webcomics - 3 uses # publisher: marvel - 7 uses # publisher: marvel comics - 53 uses (Reply to this)

	foxhack 2009-04-12 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	We should also have some bonus tags. For example, what if someone posts fanart along with the scans? Or a video? Or Icon UK's commissions. We had an advertisement tag, so that makes some sense. (Reply to this)