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nevermore999 ([info]nevermore999) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-25 17:38:00

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Entry tags:char: batman/bruce wayne, char: leslie thompkins, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, char: spoiler/robin/batgirl/steph brown, creator: chris batista, creator: chuck dixon, publisher: dc comics, series: super steph series, title: robin

Super Steph Series pt 13- The Return
Stephanie was killed. And forgotten. And all of that.

But, thanks to fan uproar, and Chuck Dixon, she eventually returned.

And thus, Steph defeated the two greatest foes any comic character ever had: Editorial death sentence, and Women in Refrigerators.

Truly, she is a heroine for the ages.

Kidding aside, I was lucky enough to be the one who chronicled Steph's return  on OSD. I recall many people telling me she wasn't going to come back, that DC was just screwing with us, that they couldn't wait until it was revealed to not really be her, so they could enjoy the Spoiler fans tears.



We start with Robin  #170, where for the first time in a very long time, Tim remembers he once knew this girl named Steph.

There's this new vigilante called Violet who wears way too many pads.



Note how Batman is still a HUGE dick. Yes, Tim, you should totally move on. Look how wonderfully Bats has moved on from all his losses! Oh, wait...

I sort of like the idea of  Tim being reminded of Steph every time he sees something vaguely purple. Imagine how moony eyed he must get when he eats eggplant.

Actually, I recall I did a Casstoon when this came out...*searches Deviantart archives*



Ignore the awful art. I've gotten better since then!



Okay, I'll admit it, when I read that second panel I squealed REALLY LOUDLY and spat the water I was drinking onto the page. Not my proudest moment. But YES! The guy who answers in the last panel is Ives, by the way back to resume his lusting after Tim.

Anyway, Tim gets in a fight with Violet and gets a black eye. And then...



I love how he remembered the way she walked. Made me melt at the time.

Despite the end of the issues advertisement....



There were only two pages of vague Steph-ness in the next issue.



*shakes Tim* EGGPLANT, man! Purple would have looked stupid!



But in the NEXT issue, the mysterious Spoiler person unmasks...



DUNDUNDUN! It is...a blonde?

Thanks to the unnatural proportion of blonde girls in the DCU, as well as the crappy art, many people were still covinced that this wasn't Steph, but some other girl. Theories ranged from Greta Hayes of Young Justice fame, to Cissie to Cassie to Mia, to a Steph clone, and to Azreal in drag. I myself, was pretty much 99% sure it was Steph, though I knew better than to trust DC completely. It wasn't like Chuck Dixon to bank on crappy art or a cheap stunt to screw with fans about a character he loved as well as we did.

In Robin #173, things kicked into high Steph gear. Someone came to put a stop to a robbery...thinking the purple avenger was that Violet chick, the thug offered her money but...




The thug talks to the Penguin about all this. He thinks Spoiler is Violet The Penguins all "You idiot! Violet doesn't wear a stupid cape!" And the thugs all "She didn't want our money!" and the Penguin's says "Who doesn't want money? Okay, kill both purple girls."

Meanwhile, Tim is interrogating people.


Yes, Marcel looks an awful lot like DiDio as old S_D pointed out. He gets shot later!

Robin fights Violet, but Spoiler knows he's walked into a trap




DUNDUNDUN! YAY!

I like Tim's slow "Oh my God." It amuses me.


Look at Tim's anger! It was a long time coming, him acting like he cared.


Tim apparently does hit girls who desecrate the memory of his loved ones.


CLIFFHANGER! But unlike me, and my scans_daily cohorts at the time, you don't have to wait! Basically, Spoiler Tim and Violet fight Sin Fang, Tim barks at Spoiler some more for wearing the costume, then hits Sin Fang with his car, Spoiler motors out, calling him "Boy Wonder" for good measure, and then Tim calls Batman for help.





And that was when I squealed like the crazed fangirl I am. The best thing is, unlike the previous art, the second I looked at that panel I could TELL that was Steph, because Batista totally used Tom Lyle for reference on her. He went straight back to the source, which made her recognizable. (Well, to me, anyway.) He also sort of gave her Robin #16 hair.

Lyle:

 

Robin #16 (with layouts by Jiminez, art by someone else):


Anyway, where was I?

Oh right, Tim EATS STEPH'S FACE:



Win. Another thing I love about Batista is he drew Steph like an ATHLETIC TEEN GIRL. No Damion Scott watermelon breasts, she was obviously a very fit person, and he made her costume look way snazzy.



Weird, how this "revelation" (obviously mean to please us Girl Wonderers...and it worked, though the ham handedness was not lost on us) makes Batman somehow both less and more of a dick. Oh, Bruce.



Alfred and Steph are win together. They should team up more. He dropped his tea tray and then they held hands! So cute.



Yeah, Steph didn't tell Mom she wasn't dead. That's not nice. My default assumption is she was in a coma most of the time she was in Africa, or too injured to be capable of doing much. Once she DID get better...well, how do you approach something like that? Over the phone? Did they even have phones where she was? And consider the guilt she must have been dealing with, she probably thought everyone, even her Mom, hated her and was better off without her. I think it's something that needs to be explored, because it's very explainable.

But, what's really important here? Steph FINALLY KNOWS WHO BRUCE IS. FUCK YEAH.

So here's Steph's Mom, with her appearance changed yet again, though at least it's been a year and a half or something this time, so there's an excuse.



I imagine Dixon planned to follow up on that, but. You know.

Lets go to the Robin/Spoiler special, which examines a little of Steph's time in Africa and she is awesome and also has REALLY PRETTY ART.

The Special was split into two stories. The first one was fanstastic, illustrated by Rafeal Albequerque, and had Tim and Steph kicking ass and taking names. Also, Steph dragged Tim to a party and he moped a lot (until people started shooting at him, he seemed to cheer up) Steph said "This is good for Tim...He just doesn't know it yet. He needs to get away from the darkness. That's why I came back to help him." It seemed like Dixon was going to have Steph try to de-angstify Tim, but, of course, Nicieza came on and had her do the opposite. *sigh*

Also, Tim apparently illegally downloaded Cloverfeild.

As excellent as that story is, I cannot post it,so if you want the coolness you need to get the Special yourself. Instead, here's some of the second story, which goes back to Steph in Africa. Leslie Thompkins is AWESOME in it, too.



And, of course, the art is stellar.

You should be warned, I'm not entirely comfortable with how the African people were presented here. Efia is a bundle of awesome, but well, Chuck still has some...issues to put it politely, and though it's only reflected very mildly here, it should be noted.

Steph helps a small African girl find her dog and when she mentions not really being comfortable in the open desert, the girl informs her Katavi only comes out at night.



"It was an editorial clusterf*ck, Efia. Only interesting if you like bad writing."





Ah, Steph's "Time to kick some ass" smile.



I told you Leslie was awesome. "Don't touch my vaccination or I will throw you bodily out of the car!" And oh, the sarcasm.

Steph uses the nearest available materials for a costume, and proceeds to take out like, ten guards.



Yes, the girl in the purple eggplant is Steph. SHE CANNOT RESIST THAT COLOR.



Steph OWNAGE! And oh noes, Leslie!



Of course she did, she's awesome.

"The hell there isn't!" : D STEPH! You are so...you! And behold her reckless driving.



Yup. And that is Steph, ladies and gentleman.

My last post will be a few old Steph backup stories from Showcase and whatnot. I was sent that used to be scanned on the deceased Even Robins site. They're nothing special, but they're decent and show Steph being strong, so they will be our epilogue. I hope you guys enjoyed these posts!



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[info]lieut_kettch
2009-03-25 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Win. Another thing I love about Batista is he drew Steph like an ATHLETIC TEEN GIRL. No Damion Scott watermelon breasts, she was obviously a very fit person, and he made her costume look way snazzy.

Now I see the reason why Tim's first impulse was to eat Steph's face. Her breasts had shrunk back to normal size while she was away. And he had to administer another breast-enlarging makeout session, STAT!

What? It's a well-documented fact that breast enlargement is a direct effect of making out with Tim. Just ask Warlock's Daughter and Jubilee.

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[info]nevermore999
2009-03-25 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm...once Williams came on after this, Steph's breasts were pretty huge...I think you have something there!

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[info]bariman1987
2009-03-25 08:34 pm UTC (link)
However, it does bring up Arrowette's lack of evil!cleavage after she made out with Tim when she left Young Justice. "It's the cape. Chicks dig the cape."

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[info]jasper_stars
2009-03-25 06:32 pm UTC (link)
*Question* Who's the artist for those last few pages? They're incredible, and make me squee like the little fangirl that I am. :D

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[info]nevermore999
2009-03-25 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Victor Ibanez!

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-25 06:49 pm UTC (link)
That whole "now you know why there was no memorial" was such a bullshit slap in the face. "HUR HUR, we didn't put a memorial in the Batcave because she was NEVER DEAD, HUR HUR, we got you, look, you were whining for nothing, silly fanbrats."

Except, y'know, for the fact that that's crap, and she was always meant to be very, very dead and the looseness of the plot of her return proves it even without the piles of other evidence, and Didio outright said at cons that she didn't get a case because she wasn't a real Robin, so, shut up, Dixon. Seriously. Just shut up. Don't try to paper this over. We know what happened.

(Also Steph is awesome and you are great for doing these posts but you knew that.)

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-03-25 07:04 pm UTC (link)
the problem with the not a "real Robin" thing is that the way Batman is with loss he'd put up a Spoiler costume if that was the case.

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[info]nevermore999
2009-03-25 07:17 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Dixon meant it like that. I mean, judging from the Teen Titans companion, he was as pissed about her death as much as we were, and was probably equally pissed about her being forgotten. I think he just meant it as a in universe explanation for the lack of case, as well as a clumsy attempt to placate us, and himself.

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[info]nevermore999
2009-03-25 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and thanks!

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2009-03-25 09:17 pm UTC (link)
It's a justification, and damage control, yes. But other than just ignoring the editorial stupidity completely, what can you do?

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[info]arrlaari.livejournal.com
2009-03-25 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Well the alternative is to not roll back canon batdickery, and that's a war were we can't be giving up battles.

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Gah, I can't even make a good geek reference. I fail.
[info]sailorlibra
2009-03-25 11:51 pm UTC (link)
"This is BATMAN!" Not that dicky guy who hates/distrusts everyone. No, not the guy from DKR. Not the guy from Tower of Babel, either. Definitely not the murderer from Final Crisis. Gah. Writers are not helping us out in this battle, are they?

Thank god for Paul Dini.

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[info]drsevarius
2009-03-26 10:30 am UTC (link)
Todd was like was a son to him, though. Steph wasn't like a daughter.

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[info]volksjager
2009-03-25 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Shout out for small breasts !!!

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[info]parsimonia
2009-03-25 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Aw, these scans in particular make me really happy, because Robin #170 was one of the very first (monthly) comics I bought (I think I picked up BoP, Booster Gold and Catwoman, too).

Honestly, although they are still lots of problems with comics and DC in particular, I always feel a bit better with the knowledge that Stephanie Brown is alive, that DC responded, and tried to make things better.

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[info]retro_nouveau
2009-03-25 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Weird, how this "revelation" (obviously mean to please us Girl Wonderers...and it worked, though the ham handedness was not lost on us) makes Batman somehow both less and more of a dick.

It definitely worked for me. I have no problems pretending that it was meant to happen all along, because it fits a hell of a lot better than Steph as a corpse, Leslie as a selfish creep who ignored her physician's oath, and Bruce as a despicably evil bastard. When I first saw that, I half-expected Bruce to start off by saying, "How many times did I tell you not to wear the costume?!?1" instead of "Yes, you are welcome back. Let's head over to the cave, Alfred will want to see you." No, of course I didn't well up. That never, never happens.

Now I wonder whatever happened in Gotham Underground when someone in a Spoiler costume knocked Babs out of her chair, smacked Tim around, got KO'd by Wildcat, then woke up and escaped invisibly. Oh well, as long as it wasn't Steph, I guess.

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[info]bariman1987
2009-03-25 08:33 pm UTC (link)
I think Gotham Underground Spoiler was someone else, who had done like a lot of wannabe villains and bought a "costume franchise" from the Calculator, when most of the villains were gone during Salvation Run. Nightwing's undercover gangster persona bought the Heatwave franchise, frex.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-03-25 09:36 pm UTC (link)
I thought so too but then they had one of the Bat titles after it ended have Steph Spoiler using a cloaking field ting just like GU Spoiler, confusing the heck out of us and why she'd work for Penguin in the first place.

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[info]bariman1987
2009-03-26 02:39 am UTC (link)
She beat up the fake Spoiler and took the invisibility cloak, but it broke, which is why she hasn't used it since. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-03-25 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Batman somehow both less and more of a dick

In other words, good writing for Batman. He's supposed to be both more and less of a dick all the time.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-03-25 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Things that still annoy me about her return.

1) Was the blond girl in the hall actually Steph? And if so....

2)...why don't all the people at school freak out? She's publicly known as Spoiler and having died due to War Games and all that jazz last I checked. Barring this I could've believed they forgot her or because the kids in the hall right then weren't from the classes she took or whatnot... but if it was her why did she go to the school and not talk to Tim? Then in a later issue of Robin she actually talks to Rob and one of his friends who also knew Steph and thus about her death but acts completely casual. Wuh?

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[info]bariman1987
2009-03-25 10:31 pm UTC (link)
1) Probably not. IIRC, she didn't go back to school until after she talked to her mother.

2) Well, there's a very logical explaination for people's non-reaction to her un-death and not knowing her superhero ID, and that's LOOK OVER THERE IT'S SOME KIND OF DEMONIC DUCK!

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-03-25 10:48 pm UTC (link)
*head turn*

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-03-26 01:21 am UTC (link)
She probably used the old 'clearly, you've been misinformed' trick. "Yes, Spoiler was killed by Black Mask. You saw it on TV. Perfectly true. And they said it was me - also perfectly true. But if Spoiler is dead, and I'm not, then I can't have been Spoiler, can I? Body was misidentified - happens all the time."

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[info]nevermore999
2009-03-26 07:38 am UTC (link)
I wondered the same thing, and decided it means War Crimes is no longer in continuity. Which is a good thing. Hooray!

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[info]ladymirth
2009-03-26 02:59 am UTC (link)
I know Dixon has his problems like ethnocentricism but he's still the only writer I want writing Robin. I can't find a single book of his that I don't like. No wonder DC Comics couldn't hold on to him.

The art is so doggone pretty, I can't stop staring at it. It was only in the last few issues of Robin that he wasn't drawn like he was 12 or something and actually had good hair...well, before it got burnt off.

In fact, I think he's even hotter without the baby fat.

As for Steph/Tim - I adore Steph and I adore Tim, but I feel that they have the chemistry of wet socks. Just like Dick and Babs. WTF, DC?

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-26 01:18 pm UTC (link)
I adore Steph and I adore Tim, but I feel that they have the chemistry of wet socks. Just like Dick and Babs. WTF, DC?

Because DC won't let Tim or Babs come out. It's really sad. ;_;

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-03-26 01:58 pm UTC (link)
Heh. Now I'm picturing Steph and Dick going to the editors: Look, we're having to suffer here with this almost as much as Tim and Babs, here. When you don't let them come out and make us act like we don't notice we wind up having to keep getting rejected when we want to be doing it like rabbits. If you don't do something about this we will be forced to take matters into our own hands, switch partners and show them what they're missing. And we might wind up liking it so much that you'll have two gay people and two bisexuals on your hands. Your choice.

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[info]bluefall
2009-03-26 05:18 pm UTC (link)
I think Steph is too smart to try to move on Dinah's woman.

Dick, of course, can get away with anything.

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[info]longhairedlady
2009-03-26 05:13 am UTC (link)
And thus, Steph defeated the two greatest foes any comic character ever had: Editorial death sentence, and Women in Refrigerators.

Hip hip hooray!

Also, the casstoons made me laugh outload, and I love Steph and Alfred.

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[info]scottyquick
2009-03-26 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I am trying so hard not to lick my screen. Look at that art. It's so pretty!

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[info]pantheraknight
2009-03-27 11:59 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for posting these. You are personally responsible for my love of Steph and without your effort (and s_d young and old) I'd never have known about this character. These posts were so enjoyable I used up my lunch hour last Wednesday to read the 13th one.

I'm picking up the Robin/Spoiler special as soon as I can find it.

Also, (if I can figure out how) I'm going to try to post a few pages with one of my favorite characters (who just happens to be female), Mara Jade.

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Re: Thank You
[info]nevermore999
2009-03-28 11:16 pm UTC (link)
Aw, thanks! Glad to be of service!

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[info]rhythmbandit
2009-11-07 03:37 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I totally didn't see this when looking to see if the Special had been posted. Gotta look harder next time! Great stuff as always, thanks!

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