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byakko (byakko) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-10 22:45:00

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char: iron man/tony stark, creator: seth fisher, publisher: marvel comics

Omg you guys are still alive :DDD
I know that there was going to be a site mirror etc., but I didn't know if we could actually function more or less like how we did before with the scans, so I kinda gave up the community for dead :<

Nice to see that isn't the case :D

So, hi gaaaiz 8D!!!

Apparently my previous post was baaad taste. Not in the content but apparently the writer (points to below comments) To be honest, I didn't know who wrote Fantastick Four 1602, since I just bought it on a whim when I went to get 1602 by Gaiman.

Anyway, this was from Fantastic Four: Big in Tokyo. I wished I grabbed more scans of it; the final few pages were kinetic and bizarre and awesome.

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	ex_stig213 2009-11-10 03:34 pm UTC (link)
	Nice to see you've taken a cavalier attitude to Rule 1 of SD 2.0. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	byakko 2009-11-10 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	1) It's never just you. or 1) Scans_daily was founded by girl geeks etc.? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	savok 2009-11-10 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	I was wondering what he meant too, then I looked up who the writer was... in fairness it's an unofficial rule born more out of disgust and paranoia then anything else. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_stig213 2009-11-10 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	Perhaps I should have said, Rule 0): scans relating to the man who ended SD 1.0 are off-limits. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_stig213 2009-11-10 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	(Seriously, we're not even allowed to write his name, it's crazy) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	byakko 2009-11-10 04:04 pm UTC (link)
	New posts should be just fine. Though I didn't check up the writer so if it's him I'm just going to give up for the day >.> (Reply to this) (Parent)

No Name? Really?

sir_mikael
2009-11-10 04:32 pm UTC (link)

Okay I have to ask, is this really true? Can't we even write his name? I've seen a lot of references to Voldemort and all the like but I thought that was more like someone being silly and of course the whole hive-mind thing (with just a bit of spitefullness thrown in).
Is it because it would then draw attention from search engines and ppl wanting to drag up the past or is it just don't post things from him/insult him/spoil things from his stories?
I've been meaning to make a post that has ties to stuff he's done (the post would not contain any of said stuff) and I don't see any harm in recommending people his work. And to do that I'd like to mention his name.

Btw nothing but love for your cyberman icon. It sucks that I'm never going to see that whole story, just the descriptions, photos and soundbytes I've seen make it seem awesome. The original cybermen seemed really creepy. Less iconic, but definetly more creepy. The talking open mouthed without lips moving thing freaks me out.

Long comment is long.

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Re: No Name? Really?

ex_stig213
2009-11-10 04:44 pm UTC (link)

To quote a beloved Penguin: Twas just a little...joke.

I know, I know - the classic Cybermen were so cool because of the horrible implication that a mangled mess of organs lay just beneath their shiny exterior and spoke with their sing-song voices. To say nothing of how, reminiscent of Jacob Marley, their jaws would drop open and the words played, as a recording, followed by the jaws snapping shut.

Almost ANY classic Cybermen are cool, even the late astronaut-suits of the McCoy era, compared to the faux-Iron-Man-look, faux-Dalek-concept Cybusmen of the modern age. I'd just love it if a lost, forgotten squad of the classics - like the ones from the Wheel In Space - just swooped out of the sky in a Who episode and utterly annihilated their parallel-world replacements. We never did find out the true fate of the Mondasians...

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Re: No Name? Really?

sir_mikael
2009-11-10 05:08 pm UTC (link)

I sadly haven't seen any cybermen before the current ones, I'm not that terrible versed in Old Who, prior to nine I've only seen Genesis of The Daleks, the first Dalek story and The Five Doctors (well I guess there was some astronaut suited ones there but hardly scary or the main focus of the story). I've read quite a bit about the classics though. That's one of the many things I love about Who, there's such a rich mythology to explore.
I do agree some of the older designs are stronger. The most important bits have been worked into the current ones too (circular facial openings, the tear ducts, I'd love to see more wires or boxes tho) But I'm not sure the old cybermen could work today. And can't the Mondasian cybermen be defeated by gold? I'm not sure such a wacky weakness would be tolerated today. I'm sooo close to buying The Invasion. I'd love to see both the live bits and the animated bits.
Are the cybermen in their first story considered to be the same ones as later ones? I really don't feel right grouping them and the Mccoy-era ones into the same group (both are classic but they're not nearly the same) as I definetly see a shift there.

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Re: No Name? Really?

ex_stig213
2009-11-10 05:24 pm UTC (link)

No-one's ever been able to reconcile the different Classic Cybes, although it is theorised that some had mastered time-travel.

I think they'd probably be stronger today based on the fact that Earth and the NuCybes are only prepared for defence against the NuCybes and only obscure organisations such as UNIT have info on the gold weakness - and anyway, it's not very likely that you'd be able to lay your hands on enough gold to kill an entire army if you were given a sudden attack. Or who knows, the writers could do anything - what about an elite squad who survived the time war, then cannibalised some of the more advanced NuCybe tech while keeping their OldCybe techno-organic bodies?

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Re: No Name? Really?

sir_mikael
2009-11-10 05:38 pm UTC (link)

"No-one's ever been able to reconcile the different Classic Cybes"

Isn't that always the case? :P That's what a geek culture/fanbase are for!

" it's not very likely that you'd be able to lay your hands on enough gold to kill an entire army if you were given a sudden attack"

That's a very good point. And I can see that being a complication in new episodes. It's like, we know the weakness but it's no use. And then they'd have to go on tv and ask ppl to give in their jewelery and try to convince countries to give up their national reserves. UNIT is starting to play a bigger role in Dr Who again.
The return of classic cybermen could be very interesting to see (they'd need a few visual tweeks but keep the essence the same) and a good twist as nuCybermen (don't get me wrong I think they do have some great things going for them) keep showing up and lose anything that make them different from robots IMO. And you know, this does seem a bit more likely under Moffats rule than RTDs. Creepy organ harvest horror instead of an army of metal sounds more up Moffats alley.

Btw my granfather is named Stig, in case your username is from the name.

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	Re: No Name? Really? ex_stig213 2009-11-10 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	I actually took inspiration from the book, Stig of the Dump, but that's kind of cool anyway. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: No Name? Really? sir_mikael 2009-11-10 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	Aw, that does seems like a good book for kids. It's a common older name in scandinavia and also means "path" in swedish, which is a fact I'm sure you'll have great philosophical use of. :P (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: No Name? Really?

icon_uk
2009-11-10 05:39 pm UTC (link)

I love the Cybermen, but for that reason, I can't warm to any of the post actual Earthshock ones who, after the shock of their reveal, were just too... "guys in suits", especially when you COULD see a human jaw in there. That, their cheerfully burbling voices and too human body langauge killed the menace to me. Tony Banks just wasn't that good an actor.

And whilst I disliked their too Dalek-like an introduction I rather like the new series Cyber design, it looks less human, and for the SOUND design alone, they win brownie points from me.

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	Re: No Name? Really? ex_stig213 2009-11-10 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	I agree with you about the Earthshock ones, and the voices, but not on the body - it's still far too clunky and "Iron Man" to me. I'd have preferred a sleek, iPod-chic-inspired design with the cybernetic components such as helmet, gloves, boots, chestplate sticking out and designating rank. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: No Name? Really?

icon_uk
2009-11-10 08:35 pm UTC (link)

Oh I'd have gone for a very different origin for the Cybusmen... First thing would be the notion that cyberenhancements would be par for the course on alt-Earth, just as the original Cybermen were a sort of disturbing take on organ tranplsant, these would be on voluntary body-modification.

I wanted to see construction workers with cyber-arms, couriers with cyber-legs, old people with chest unit as mobile life support... and Ricky's blind granny with cyber-eyes. Everything being based on everyone accepting in-ear bluetooth just didn't work for me.

They also wouldn't have been unwilling victims turned into mindless army by a Bond-villain, they wouldn't even be the originals who became cyberised to survive, they'd be willing volunteers because it seemed like a good idea which would make them MUCH scarier IMHO, and add in the evangelical desire to convert others, not because they wanted to conquer but because they genuinely and fervently believed that it would be the best thing possible to happen to a person.

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	Re: No Name? Really? ex_stig213 2009-11-10 08:44 pm UTC (link)
	Which, as I stated below, was exactly why the OldCybes worked much better. It's the difference between enslaved people having been converted to an oppressive religion and people who joined that church willingly and really do believe that you will burn for all eternity if you don't do the same. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: No Name? Really?

blakeyrat
2009-11-11 02:46 am UTC (link)

The new series concept of "scary" is just "plug in a goofy voice mod and have them repeat something over and over." Ugh.

Don't get me wrong, I like the new series of Who, and the old series. But... seriously... marching around saying "DELETE... DELETE... DELETE..."? That that works for the Daleks is a *fluke* (and even there it's almost as comical as it is frightening), but expecting it to work with the Cybermen also is just crazy.

Also, if there's one thing I've learned from the new Who series, it's that British people think marching is frightening. Every time the baddie-of-the-week has more than 4-5 guys and they're walking somewhere, they play the same "scary Nazi marching" sound effect. Meanwhile, here in the US, we usually associate marching with bands attempting to entertain drunken college football fans.

Maybe I'm reading too much into all of this and it's just lazy/bad sound editing.

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Re: No Name? Really?

strannik01
2009-11-10 07:14 pm UTC (link)

I don't think you're being entirely fair to the new Cybermen. They are cool and creepy in their own way - the scene where one of the recently converted Cybermen regained her personality was one of the most chilling things I've seen in science fiction on either side of the Atlantic, and they were pretty bad-ass until they found themselves outclassed by the Daleks (and even then, the Cybermen vs Daleks insult-off was priceless). Then again, I am a new Who fan who barely saw any classic episodes (and the above-mentioned insult-off was my first exposure to Doctor Who), so I may be biased.

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ex_stig213
2009-11-10 07:52 pm UTC (link)

The problem was, while the originals were born out of a writer's trepidation over the technology of the modern age - specifically plastic surgery - dehumanising us, the new Cybermen come out of an age where that has already happened, playing on modern themes of technology organising our lives - e.g., that bit in Age of Steel where everyone stops for the daily download. While the originals were chilling because they were what we could become, the new ones are merely an overblown extrapolation of what many of us already have become.

Additionally, while the new ones are mostly victims having been converted and stripped of their will, the number 1 reason why the originals were so terrifying was that, culturally, they had chosen it - it was something they'd agreed to as individuals in order to stay alive; where the new ones could have avoided their fate, had Cybus been stopped in time, the old ones were inevitable as long as the Human/Mondasian instinct for survival remained. To that degree, they also became a grim portrait of human failings; in their first appearance, Polly asks the Cybermen if they care that people are going to die. One replies: "People are dying all over your world, yet you do not care about them."

Basically, the NuCybes are like the Borg - as frightening as they may be, their status as victims makes them more sympathetic - while the OldCybes are like Darth Vader - they willingly brought about the horror of their situation on themselves, and thus they can be classed in the chilling state of mind of someone who would.

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Re: No Name? Really?

icon_uk
2009-11-10 08:41 pm UTC (link)

The horrible death of that Cyberman was genuinely ghastly I agree, but be thankful that they cut the originally planned scene at the end where, as the Cybermen are all reeling around screaming in agony as their ability to feel pain is returned, one of them was to scream "But I'm only ELEVEN!" to the Doctor before collapsing. It was felt that it would be just a tad TOO traumatising for the target audience and, as much as I approve of kids being occasionally terrified in controlled conditions as part of growing up, I think they were probably right.

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Re: No Name? Really?

ex_stig213
2009-11-10 08:46 pm UTC (link)

...That would probably work much better in a comic, anyway. It might not have been so believable when enunciated by a voice based on an adult and coming from a basically adult-shaped body.

Also, it doesn't really make sense, a horror-maddened child would more likely just scream and try to curl into the foetal position, or perhaps wail for its parents - although they already tried that in that dull two-parter with the gas masks.

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Re: No Name? Really?

icon_uk
2009-11-10 08:58 pm UTC (link)

Except I imagine they would have had the voice breaking down and switching backwards and forwards to something that sounded more like a child (as the brain tries to make the voice modulator sound like what the childs brain thinks it should sound like.. or somesuch)

And it was IIRC supposed to have just seen it's reflection in a mirror, so it would have been aware of what it was and was not all at the same time.

And you did NOT just call "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" DULL did you? Ye gods...

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Re: No Name? Really?

ex_stig213
2009-11-10 09:04 pm UTC (link)

Those are good points.

I thought that while it did have some good action and a nicely horrifying/touching concept, the whole 1940s atmosphere was maybe a tad over-exaggerated, the episode began a long dark era of Captain Jack, and it included Rose. It's not uncommon for people to utterly despise Rose and what she did to the Doctor as well as to the stories. I'm thoroughly convinced that the show's quality will skyrocket now that we no longer have little-miss-vapid-mary-sue hogging the camera.

Just my opinion, of course. But it's not an uncommon one.

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	byakko 2009-11-10 03:56 pm UTC (link)
	Very well, no floating fetus. I think I still have old scans from SD 1.0 up on my photobucket, one min. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	galateus 2009-11-10 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Whups, hivemind. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	galateus 2009-11-10 03:56 pm UTC (link)
	? 'No PAD' is the unwritten Rule #0 if anything. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	va1tyr 2009-11-10 04:12 pm UTC (link)
	I enjoyed the floating foetus. I uh, have no idea what is happening here. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	damar148 2009-11-10 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	Droom is mistaking Tony for Jet Jaguar. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-11-10 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, thank you. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	byakko 2009-11-10 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	I actually really REALLY wanted to talk about the floating fetus, if anything a really bizarre depiction of Sue's powers. But yes, unwritten rule is unwritten rule. Now you get sandwich. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-11-10 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, think of the advances in medicine and biology Reed could make by studying the growing foetus. I wonder at what point it became visible? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sir_mikael 2009-11-10 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I totally read it as the big fish godzilla thing was called Doom/Dr Doom. Very bizarre. Well, it's very bizarre anyway. And kind of adorable. (Reply to this)

	ian_karkull 2009-11-10 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	Man Seth Fisher died way too soon. It's kind of sad how incredibly awesome the art is. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-10 07:14 pm UTC (link)
	Couldn't agree more, his style is so instantly recognisable and brilliantly unique. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kamino_neko 2009-11-10 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	Funny that you finally drop in just before we make the move back to our new (hopefully) permanent home. (Reply to this)

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