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trueredorion (trueredorion) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-28 12:20:00

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char: agent orange/larfleeze, creator: doug mahnke, creator: geoff johns, event: blackest night, title: green lantern

The New Odd Couple?
2 pages from today's Green Lantern #47 "To Hell And back" by Geoff Johns and Doug Mahnke.

Larfleeze meets a new friend:

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	manofbats 2009-10-28 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	New Guardians eh? Can't be worse than the Old Guardians. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-28 07:36 pm UTC (link)
	Clearly you don't remember the LAST New Guardians (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	Gloss's bewbs still makes them better than the Oans. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-10-28 11:43 pm UTC (link)
	That was my thinking exactly... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-31 02:33 am UTC (link)
	If they brink back Snowflame . . . (Reply to this) (Parent)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-28 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Mahnke has been an exceptional artist for years, but the Lantern titles have really kicked his awesome into overdrive. In an industry full of photo-tracers and guys who think that "extraterrestrial" means "human with different skin color and extra forehead wrinkles" (O HAI STAR TREK), Mahnke was BORN to draw alien characters. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	I thought Van Sciver designed most of these characters before he had to leave the title? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-28 07:48 pm UTC (link)
	Did he? If so, I apologize for not giving him credit where it's due. Still, designs like that could have been fucked up by the wrong artist VERY easily - again, Land, Horn, Deodato or any number of others would have reduced them to "humans with weird stuff on their heads." Mahnke has been drawing weird-ass alien shit since at least Major Bummer in the '90s. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	Well I think Mahnke designed the Orange Lantern constructs which are chasing Larfleeze here as Black Lanterns. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-10-28 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	Philip Tan designed a lot of the Orange Lanterns. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 08:05 pm UTC (link)
	Did he? Or was it Mahnke wearing Philip Tan's skin so that he may absorb his power? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	alschroeder 2009-10-28 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	Motto. I'd LOVE to see him turned loose on an adaption of Larry Niven or Poul Anderson or Hal Clement. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-28 08:35 pm UTC (link)
	Mahnke-drawn Moties = CREEPY AS FUCK. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	alschroeder 2009-10-28 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	Or imagine him doing Clement's Mesklinites---or Anderson's Ythri. But yeah---illustrated graphic novel of MOTE IN GOD'S EYE by THIS guy would give you nightmares. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tahngarth 2009-10-28 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	Niven did write a Green Lantern story, but Byrne illustrated it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-10-28 08:10 pm UTC (link)
	"human with different skin color and extra forehead wrinkles" (O HAI STAR TREK) Budget and empathy factor, dude. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-28 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Budget? I'll buy as an excuse. Empathy factor? FUCK THAT. If you can't empathize with alien-looking aliens, get the fuck out of sci-fi fandom. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

dustbunny105
2009-10-28 10:59 pm UTC (link)

Eh. The empathy factor might be bull from an objective standpoint, but consider that the suits in charge thought that Spock was too alien for viewers to connect with. I tend to cry "budget" in this case, too, granted, especially considering the laughable results of many of the few attempts to make truely alien beings that come to mind, but I woudn't be surprised if the powers that be honestly thought that their viewers had the empathetic range of a tricorder.

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box_in_the_box
2009-10-28 11:03 pm UTC (link)

The empathy factor might be bull from an objective standpoint, but consider that the suits in charge thought that Spock was too alien for viewers to connect with.

The suits in charge of Star Trek also thought America wasn't ready to see a white man and a black woman kiss onscreen, which is one of many reasons why it's my considered opinion that 90 percent of the suits in charge of anything deserve to be sodomized with telephone poles.

And what's especially funny about your example is that Spock became THE MOST POPULAR CHARACTER ON THE SHOW, so their "logic" doesn't even work from A PURELY MERCENARY CAPITALIST STANDPOINT.

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dustbunny105
2009-10-28 11:34 pm UTC (link)

And what's especially funny about your example is that Spock became THE MOST POPULAR CHARACTER ON THE SHOW

I know, and I love it :D Not quite as much as I love that the response to the Kirk/Uhura kiss was overwhelmingly positive, but a lot. The parade of fail on part of the Star Trek higher-ups is a magnificent thing to behold through one's fingers. And these people thought viewers were morons.

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box_in_the_box
2009-10-28 11:41 pm UTC (link)

I love that one of the letters that Gene Roddenberry got was from an old Southern gentleman who had been opposed to interracial relationships his entire life, but when he saw "Kirk with that gorgeous gal in his arms, doin' what a man is supposed to do," he changed HIS ENTIRE LIFETIME of beliefs on that score.

Nichelle Nichols: Proving racists wrong, one man at a time, since the '60s.

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	dustbunny105 2009-10-29 12:07 am UTC (link)
	Ditto that. Definitely one of my favorite Trek-related stories :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-10-29 01:07 am UTC (link)
	Ever hear about how a chance meeting with MLK changed her mind about leaving the show? http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2009/01/21/how-martin-luther-king-jr-saved-star-trek.aspx Worth reading/watching. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-29 01:21 am UTC (link)
	Heard it, but still appreciate the link. Thank you. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-10-29 01:08 am UTC (link)
	Everything that hits TV has to go by the suits. Consider it the empathy factor of the suits, not the viewers. ... 30 years later, they kill Firefly. Same stupidity. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

box_in_the_box
2009-10-29 01:25 am UTC (link)

To be fair, Firefly, while not a bad show, was hardly a great show, either.

Yeah, I used to be on the OMG JOSS IS SO PERSECUTED bandwagon too, and yes, the suits didn't do him any favors, in terms of airing episodes out of order and such, but then again, with more leeway, the best he's given us since then has been ... Dollhouse. Yeah. And I'm sorry, but if Joss didn't have shitloads of fans going OMG HE'S SO FEMINIST, everybody would be denouncing THAT show for the creepy-ass Chuck Austen-level misogyny that it is.

So, when it comes to Joss versus the suits, NEITHER side is right! :)

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	thandrak 2009-10-29 01:30 am UTC (link)
	Dollhouse, I'm not a fan of. But Firefly just _worked_. Maybe it would have flamed out in the third season, but the first season is gold, and the second season would probably have been as good. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

stig
2009-10-29 10:55 am UTC (link)

I saw the first few episodes the other day after years of listening to the hype. I honestly don't see what the bother was. It's basically a bunch of stock dysfunctional space-travellers, an unlikeable captain, a bunch of cultural settings ripped out of Blade Runner, and a large volume of childish humour and dialogue ("You have a fancy hat" is an insult? Really?).

Not really up to the standard set by, say, The Venture Bros.

Dammit, now I want a Venture Bros Firefly parody.

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	thandrak 2009-10-29 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	... are you sure you didn't just get a bootleg of Blake's Seven? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	stig 2009-10-29 02:45 pm UTC (link)
	It's to each his own, I'm afraid. I just generally find anything Whedon does to be immature and depthless - in particular, that awful episode with the Incredible Traitor Woman. Plus, don't knock Blake's, at least it had Brian Blessed. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-10-29 03:23 pm UTC (link)
	To each his own, oh cyberman-iconned one. I didn't get the 'Blade Runner' motif, though. Shouldn't there be cities for that? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	stig 2009-10-29 04:43 pm UTC (link)
	I was more referring to the emphasis on the Chinese having taken over everything. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mcity 2009-11-11 03:27 am UTC (link)
	This looks to be edging towards an "admit you didn't like Firefly" thread. I've never understood those. I can probably think of highly-rated series that I didn't like, but I don't go slinging the word "overrated" around on the slightest pretext. Of course, that may have something to do with my immunity to Hype. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-29 11:03 am UTC (link)
	I found Firefly to be utterly forgettable. Literally. I watched one episode and was so unimpressed I didn't even remember it was on after that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-30 12:18 am UTC (link)
	I don't know if it was you I mentioned this to or not. But I heard when Dushku got the contract to do some shows for Fox and she was talking with Joss they basically came up with the idea for Dollhouse as being like actors filling roles. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	gargoylekitty 2009-10-28 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	Now all that's needed is a burger shop. http://plus4chan.org/boards/coc/res/16579.html :) (Reply to this)

	mullon 2009-10-28 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	I thought he could generate whole armies. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-28 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	Being able to generate whole armies does very little when the opposing army keeps getting back up. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	interrobamf 2009-10-28 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	They were busy trying to steal the blue Central Battery. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jaybee3 2009-10-28 08:22 pm UTC (link)
	But between the two of them they could destroy the BLs right? Isn't that what Indigo said earlier about crossing the rings? Of course, these are two the worst duo - the greedy muppet and the rabid whatever - but still. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	Two Corp rings can destroy a black ring, but one of them has to be green. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silverzeo 2009-10-28 09:09 pm UTC (link)
	I was beeting he would be screaming for his mommy. (Reply to this)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-28 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	Atrocitus showing up there does suggest the four Black Lanterns on his world got their asses kicked. I wonder why he's going for Larfleeze's battery though? Maybe he wants to try to absorb the BL's? Or he might not realize one of the two colors must be green. (Reply to this)

	iondan 2009-10-29 10:41 am UTC (link)
	"NO! you'll dent it, it's in mint condition!", That first panel of him running and blasting behind him is hysterical. (Reply to this)