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Tweak says, "ICONITIS IS KILLING MOI."

arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-13 15:22:00

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creator: keith giffen, creator: matthew clark, group: doom patrol, title: doom patrol

Doom Patrol #3

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	icon_uk 2009-10-13 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	Ewww, there some pretty messed up notions in this... of course, it's not helped by the fact that when I saw the cover, I thought Mento was in some sort of low cut basque top... (Reply to this)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-10-13 11:03 pm UTC (link)
	Aaaaand I'm officially creeped the fuck out. Also, as un-PC as this may be, I wish someone would toss Niles Caulder down a flight of stairs. He's a jerk. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	star_of_airdrie 2009-10-13 11:08 pm UTC (link)
	un-PC cause he's in a wheelchair or cause its never good to throw people down the stairs. Not that I'm discouraging the idea, Niles is a supreme jerk! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	scottyquick 2009-10-14 03:03 am UTC (link)
	Bluejaybirdie, I love you, but are you sure that's a cool thing to say? I mean, that's an actual problem for people in wheelchairs, able-bodied people could topple them, it's a bit like, ... idk, gendered violence? I can't think of a good comparison. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	domino_blue 2009-10-13 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	why do they still trust the chief? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-13 11:21 pm UTC (link)
	Because he's a supremely manipulative sonnofabitch? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	kamino_neko 2009-10-14 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think they DO. But they know he can't be trusted, and generally how he's going to screw with them, so they can generally mitigate his crap. And he is, undeniably, brilliant, so... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	neuhallidae 2009-10-13 11:12 pm UTC (link)
	Auuugh. Fuck, I just took a shower, and now I feel like scrubbing again. D: (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-13 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	I don't get what's going on (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-10-14 01:26 am UTC (link)
	Nothing good. Now the Metal Men "co-feature," that's a different story. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arbre_rieur 2009-10-14 03:05 am UTC (link)
	The rest of the Doom Patrol are facing a sentient black hole that's possessing people's bodies. To defeat it, the Chief wants Mento to use Rita's body as a conduit for a psychic assault against the black hole, which requires first taking over her body. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-13 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	yuck. Just shoot the guy. Be heroes on your own or don't, but shoot that creepy bastard. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	btravage.livejournal.com 2009-10-14 12:21 am UTC (link)
	From what I know of Mento, he's always seemed like a creeper. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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alschroeder
2009-10-14 12:23 am UTC (link)

Just once...just ONCE...I'd like a really smart person in comics not to eventually become a manipulative jerk. Professor X. Brainiac 5. Tony Stark. Reed Richards. (Often oblivious jerk in Reed's case, and I'm not sure which is worse. But he's had his manipulative moments too.) The Chief. The old Chief by Drake voluntarily gave up his life for fourteen "nobodys". The only thing I didn't like about Morrison's run on the DP (which otherwise I thoght was brilliant) is what he eventually revealed about the Chief at the end of the run, which made no sense given the Drake Chief.

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	foxhack 2009-10-14 12:28 am UTC (link)
	Uh... Who are these people and what have they done with Doom Patrol? D: (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-10-14 12:29 am UTC (link)
	From that cover I thought DC made Cabaret into a comic. I would love a superteam from decadent Wiemar Germany... (Reply to this)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-10-14 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Wow. That is genuinely disturbing, in a good way though. I also like the part about the helmet. (Reply to this)

	perletwo 2009-10-14 01:20 am UTC (link)
	OK, I'm weak - how is Mento mindraping Rita supposed to save the world? (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	aaron_bourque 2009-10-14 01:23 am UTC (link)
	Where does that chinguard thing go when he takes off the helmet? (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	lieut_kettch 2009-10-14 01:48 am UTC (link)
	Chief-dickery trumps Mento-dickery. (Reply to this)

	shanejayell 2009-10-14 01:49 am UTC (link)
	GEH. squicked (Reply to this)

psychop_rex
2009-10-14 06:16 am UTC (link)

Y'know what the point was where this lost me entirely? The Chief making fun of Mento's helmet. I REALLY hate it when writers do stuff like that. 'Let's mock the past! Ha ha, they were so LAME back then, except for the parts we liked, and we're going to trash everything else!'
You can't have it both ways, people. If you're going to get rid of your older characters, then get rid of them, but if you're going to keep them, then write them with the same respect they've been given in the past. YES, Mento wears a silly helmet, ha-ha, but that's not the damn POINT. If you want to keep a hero - or any character - viable, DON'T MAKE FUN OF THEM. Treat them with respect. Mento has always been a bit of a scumbag, yes, but one thing he has NOT been is pathetic. Yes, he wears a silly helmet - so what? That's part of his character - if you think his character is stupid, then don't use him.
Basically, what this sort of writing does is pick at the threads of a fictional universe that's been sewn together over the course of decades, and, yes, does not always make perfect sense. But it WORKS - if you suspend your disbelief just a little, it works perfectly fine. It's when you start picking and picking at the threads that it all starts coming unravelled. 'Ha ha, Mento wears a silly helmet!' 'Ha ha, Superman wears his undies outside his tights!' 'Ha ha, Batman doesn't use a gun, the big wimp! He could take down the Joker in five minutes if he'd grow a set of balls!' Shut. UP. Yes, the DCU is full of parts that look a little dubious at times to jaded modern eyes. Yes, it ain't 'the Matrix', all slick and modernized and sterile. So what? That's part of its charm, part of its history. A good writer will find ways to make the old viable again, not make fun of it. The character has survived intact up 'til now, despite his silly helmet - so making fun of it just underlines your own prejudices, instead of revealing anything new or interesting. Leave the damn helmet alone, and concentrate on what WORKS, not what doesn't.

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	salamangkiero 2009-10-14 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	I actually like this. Heroic? Yes, Bastards? yes. Outcasts? definitely. I've always figured it wasn't just their powers but their basic hangups that get the other heroes to shy away from them. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	freivolk 2009-10-14 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	Whats up with the Germany-map and the nuke? (Reply to this) (Thread)

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arbre_rieur, 2009-10-15 08:40 am UTC

	(Anonymous) 2009-10-15 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	Jesus H. flippin' christ. Doesn't the Doom Patrol have enough problems being the "freaks" of the DC universe, now they're being painted as a bunch of perverts, emotional cripples, and manipulative bastards? What the fuck, DC? What. The. Fuck. (Reply to this)